James Fetzer - Past Stroke Victim?

Someone on another board made an observation that James Fetzer looks to have had a stroke sometime in his past. The head tilt and talking out of the side of his mouth.

Any persons in the medical field care to comment? Could this condition lead to his "condition"?

The observation was made on the Hannity and Colmes interview with Olllie North.

I am not a doctor, but I do know that there is a medical condition called Bell's Palsy that can cause people to have that "lopsided" appearance of speaking out of one side of the mouth. I am Canadian, and one of our past prime ministers, Jean Chretien, had the condition. TAM can probably provide more info on the condition. All I know is that it involves facial paralysis, often affecting the mouth and eye on one side, and that it is not caused by stroke.

This seems an odd subject matter, though.

If it's important to you, ask him.

I don't see it in that video, not that it matters. but with all that fat around the neck looks like a heart attack waiting to happen.

Gravy said:

If it's important to you, ask him.

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The practical approach for sure. Somehow I don't think I would get a straight or brief answer.

Besides, it is more fun to cast aspersions via an anonymous cyber sock.

I would say Bell's Palsey and a healhy dose of insanity induced by his desire to fit in. I mean although employers will not come out and say it, they do discriminate against sufferers. I never really considered this aspect. Really good question Mr. RB Sir.

Fetzer has been doing this CT crap for years, 9-11 is just the latest manifestation. Judging solely from my brief argument with him at the 9-11 Accountability conference, if there's anything wrong with him it's subtle. He's a nut but he's alert, argumentative and intelligent.

This is a pointless question that can come to no good. There's an element in the debunking community that also thrives on ad hom arguments, and taken to its conclusion, if it can be proven that he had a minor stroke (there is such a thing, although I'm sure that's not the correct term), I can seeing it winding up with ugly posts up the road a piece, referring to F's "brain damage" or something similar.

My mother had a minor stroke. Just knocked her on her considerable butt on Bleecker Street on the way home one night. She just thought she'd had a "dizzy spell". Her memory was spotty from then on out, but the emphasis is on "spotty"... most of the time it was fine. There was no noitceable change to her thinking and reasoning skills, though.

I also know people who've had a history of bad teeth and dentures who spoke out of the side of their mouth, more or less, to cover the physical imperfection of a missing or dark/blackened tooth. There are lots of possibilities that don't require speculation on a stroke (with it's implicit questioning of his rationality and intelligence).

Foolmewunz said:

This is a pointless question that can come to no good. There's an element in the debunking community that also thrives on ad hom arguments, and taken to its conclusion, if it can be proven that he had a minor stroke (there is such a thing, although I'm sure that's not the correct term), I can seeing it winding up with ugly posts up the road a piece, referring to F's "brain damage" or something similar.

My mother had a minor stroke. Just knocked her on her considerable butt on Bleecker Street on the way home one night. She just thought she'd had a "dizzy spell". Her memory was spotty from then on out, but the emphasis is on "spotty"... most of the time it was fine. There was no noitceable change to her thinking and reasoning skills, though.

I also know people who've had a history of bad teeth and dentures who spoke out of the side of their mouth, more or less, to cover the physical imperfection of a missing or dark/blackened tooth. There are lots of possibilities that don't require speculation on a stroke (with it's implicit questioning of his rationality and intelligence).

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TIA is the term your looking for.

LashL and myself are more inclined towards Bell's Palsey. I don't think anybody here is going to pick up on a brain damage angle.

Judy Wood was in a coma for a while.

Whether or not he is a stroke victim has nothing to do with his arguments - which are nonsensical in any case.

And, Gravy, WTF happened to your avatar? The butterfly has evolved!

I wonder if WTF is a new rule 8 violation...

"Stroke" also more technically referred to as CVA (Cerebral Vascular Accident) is divided in a couple of ways.

First, more generally, you have embolic/thrombotic versus hemorrhagic. Embolic/Thrombotic involves clots (either thrown off of the Heart Valves - most common, or from elsewhere, or formation of said clot within the brain itself), whereas hemorrhagic, as the name implies, involves a bleed in the brain.

Secondly, strokes are divided based on the duration of the sequelae:

TIA (Transient Ischemic Attack) - Stroke effects last less than 24h
RIND (Reversible Ischemic Neurologic Deficit) - Effects last longer than 24h
Stroke (Evolving or complete) - Some perminent sequelae will result.

You can also classify them by anatomical location or etiology, but that is a few pages unto itself.

Fetzer does appear to speak out of one side of his mouth, and at times seems to have a bit of a tremor and head tilt.

This may have been due to a stroke, or may not. Cervical dystonia can cause such a tremor and/or head tilt, and is often benign and unrelated to CVAs. As for the lip issue, a couple of things... If his eye on the same side works fine from an opening and closing pov, than stroke would be more likely than Bell's Palsy, as Bell's usually involves both distributions of the Facial Nerve (Cranial Nerve seven) and hence their eye would not close properly along with the lip on that side remaining flacid/unmoving. As well, it may simply be a tic or habit he has formed...



The Right side (her right side) of this woman's face is the NORMAL side. This is Bell's palsy. Notice how on the effected side (her left) she cannot smile OR close her eyes, as opposed to her right (uneffected side) where she can do both. This is how we distinguish it from the sequelae of a stroke, which in almost all cases only effects either the eye OR the mouth, not usually both.


As Gravy has said, rather then speculate, the only way to know for sure, is to ask the man.

TAM

I cant help but laugh in uproar whenever I see the title of this thread, but honestly, is this needed?

Uncle Fetzer is safe.