What is the truther understanding of Radical Islam?

Undesired Walrus

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For any truthers still on here, I'd like you to answer, without copy and pasting wiki (I'll know) your understanding of Islamism, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the radical faction that broke away from 'Ignorant' Islam in the post-colonial 50's, changing the original definition of Jihad to something rather different.

Just curious like.

I've never thought about it before, but what would you say Alex Jones' knowledge of this brand of Islam is? Avery's? Bermas'? They have exhaustive knowledge of the names, times, numbers of 'false-flag' events (The false flag event being up for debate is another issue), newspaper articles and so on, but I am slightly concerned that the general consensus stops at 'Nutty man in cave' and the racist impulse towards Muslims blinds you of their competence. Whilst I dont like chaps who murder Humans at rush hour, I found myself angry with Bermas banging on about (In Hardfire) terrorists being 'Low on IQ' who can be infiltrated by FBI agents.

Does this worry JREF friends, and have you come up with any stupidity in the process?

What I often find remarkable is how something like 9/11 didn't happen sooner given the enormity of Islamism.
 
"What is the truther understanding of Radical Islam?"

None. Quite a few of them think that Radical Islam doesn't exist, or is paid to be radical by the USG/NWO/PNAC/Dr. Evil/etc.
 
Islamic terrorism does not exist, according to many twoofers I come across. Or if it does exist it only exists because it is manufactured by the NWO.

There are many lines of thought on this from the twoofer camp, I get the impression that many of them subscribe to the belief that Al Qaeda was formed by the CIA and have been funded by the CIA. This is complete rubbish but hey whets new?

Most normal, rational people understand that Al Qaeda is not representative of Islamic terror groups. Groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, even the PLO, etc have rejected the ideology of Al Qaeda, which in its simplest form is bringing the Islamic struggle to the global stage. Of course most rational people understand that many Muslims reject Al Qaeda and that the war on terror is not directed at Muslims but this ideology.

In twoofer speak it is simple “Set up fake Islamic terrorist organisations, carry out 911, blame Arabs, invade countries, steal oil".
 
Truther logic goes as follows:

Islamic extremists and Muslim terrorists do not exist.

If Muslims or so-called "Islamic extremists" are involved in terrorism, they were either set up by the Zionist NWO, or are secretly working for the Zionist NWO.

If the Muslims or so-called "Islamic extremists" are involved in terrorism, and have zero connection to the NWO and Zionists, then their violence is justified, their actions are self defense, and their targets are brutal killers who deserve what they get.

You will never...ever...hear a Truther accept that Islammic extremist terrorism does exist and that they have indeed targeted civilians, whether they be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, or Hindu.

Kinda makes you wonder what book they are secretly reading at night.

Are 9-11 Truthers shills for radical Islamic groups? I doubt it, but in this world, you never know. I'm not accusing anyone of anything...just "asking questions" :D
 
I’m not sure what truthers per se think about it. However, certain elements of the hard-left (who are either quasi-truthers or harbour truther sympathies) believe it’s either a government-constructed facade or an understandable or even admirable reaction to perceived Western imperialism.
 
Interesting thread. All I see is lots of strawmen being created but not much evidence of anyone actually wanting to REALLY know what individual "Truthers" think.
 
William Rea said:
Oooooh, that sharp old Scottish wit. I'm afraid I can't help you with this one SoG although I find it odd that you suddenly want to listen properly.
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I take you will not be offering your opinion then William ?

In your own good time William, I am all ears.
 
William Rea said:
Interesting thread. All I see is lots of strawmen being created but not much evidence of anyone actually wanting to REALLY know what individual "Truthers" think.
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Interesting response. I see a lot of meaningless rhetoric, couple with an evasion of the question asked in the OP - ironically asking truthers what ther thoughts on radical Islam are.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
For any truthers still on here, I'd like you to answer, without copy and pasting wiki (I'll know) your understanding of Islamism, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the radical faction that broke away from 'Ignorant' Islam in the post-colonial 50's, changing the original definition of Jihad to something rather different.

Just curious like.

I've never thought about it before, but what would you say Alex Jones' knowledge of this brand of Islam is? Avery's? Bermas'? They have exhaustive knowledge of the names, times, numbers of 'false-flag' events (The false flag event being up for debate is another issue), newspaper articles and so on, but I am slightly concerned that the general consensus stops at 'Nutty man in cave' and the racist impulse towards Muslims blinds you of their competence. Whilst I dont like chaps who murder Humans at rush hour, I found myself angry with Bermas banging on about (In Hardfire) terrorists being 'Low on IQ' who can be infiltrated by FBI agents.

Does this worry JREF friends, and have you come up with any stupidity in the process?

What I often find remarkable is how something like 9/11 didn't happen sooner given the enormity of Islamism.
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Ask a twoofer--any twoofer--to tell you what he knows about Sayyid Qutb.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
I'm currently reading Qutb's 'Milestones'. Scary stuff.
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A great deal of Terror and Liberalism by Paul Berman discuss Qutb.

Berman's great contribution is that he explains why the arab fascism is a continuation of the european fascism. The fact that no one (no important, anyway) made this connection as early as the 60's when the Baath rose to power is probably caused by:
  1. "Mild" racism - It's only whitey who can commit errors. When non-whitey commits errors, it's nothing to be upset about. Beacuse you have to understand (post colonialism, frustration, every people's right to self-determination, etc.) And if fellow non-whiteys testified that the Baath was raw and pure fascism, they was defined away as self-hating victims of whiteys racism.
  2. The nature of fascism - Communism is the original golden arches. It doesn't matter if you are a communist in Paris or a communist in Yemen - same ideology and objectives. Fascism, on the other hand, is much harder to export. Even if a fascist movement in one country is a 99% accurate carbon copy of the fascist movement in the neighbouring country, the importers still have to devote a great deal of energy to explain why this particular brand of fascism is idiosyncratic, local and unique.

    That most people makes the connection Lenin-Hoxha, but not Mussolini-Saddam is a victory for fascism.
 
pomeroo said:
Ask a twoofer--any twoofer--to tell you what he knows about Sayyid Qutb.
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I'm reading "The Looming Tower" right now. Very good book with a lot of great information about the original Muslim Brothers. I would recommend it to anyone.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
For any truthers still on here, I'd like you to answer, without copy and pasting wiki (I'll know) your understanding of Islamism, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the radical faction that broke away from 'Ignorant' Islam in the post-colonial 50's, changing the original definition of Jihad to something rather different.

Just curious like.

I've never thought about it before, but what would you say Alex Jones' knowledge of this brand of Islam is? Avery's? Bermas'? They have exhaustive knowledge of the names, times, numbers of 'false-flag' events (The false flag event being up for debate is another issue), newspaper articles and so on, but I am slightly concerned that the general consensus stops at 'Nutty man in cave' and the racist impulse towards Muslims blinds you of their competence. Whilst I dont like chaps who murder Humans at rush hour, I found myself angry with Bermas banging on about (In Hardfire) terrorists being 'Low on IQ' who can be infiltrated by FBI agents.

Does this worry JREF friends, and have you come up with any stupidity in the process?

What I often find remarkable is how something like 9/11 didn't happen sooner given the enormity of Islamism.
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Wouldn’t it be a more relevant question if you asked them about their knowledge of the Torah?
 
MaGZ said:
Wouldn’t it be a more relevant question if you asked them about their knowledge of the Torah?
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Ummm No, I don't think it would.

Maybe we should ask the Truthers about their knowledge of the KKK and the Neo-Nazi movement.
 
Unfit4Command said:
I'm reading "The Looming Tower" right now. Very good book with a lot of great information about the original Muslim Brothers. I would recommend it to anyone.
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August 21st is when it comes out in trade paperback. Mine is already reserved at my local Borders. I can't wait.
 
Rev91, do you have anything to say?

Dagon, it is right to say Nabhani, Qutb and co were inspired by 'Order-From-God' philosophers like Hegel, but as a continuation of European Fascism, I cannot be sure. Hegel was no Nazi, and whilst he advocated strong leadership, this leadership was from God, not from the strong grasp of man as Fascism promoted.
 
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95% of all terrorist suspects arrested are released without charge.

In the last 10 years more people have been shot by police than killed by terrorists in the US.

Most terror plots are hopelessly inept e.g. the shoe bomber, Glasgow Airport etc.

Kinda makes you wonder how 9/11 was so perfectly successful with no follow up attacks.
 
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