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Checkmite 14th November 2018 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 12502992)
If Anennati was my hero I would feel devestated. But he's not.

No, he's a dweeb, and crooked (if recent court rulings regarding his business dealings are anything to go by). If this story turns out to be a bunch of hooey, I'm still not going to feel bad for him.

Checkmite 14th November 2018 09:28 PM

(double post)

Foolmewunz 14th November 2018 11:03 PM

Apropo of nothing.... did the police arrest him in his suit and tie at 2:05 in the morning or did his lawyers bring him a change of clothes in which to leave the police station.

Just curious - it means nothing.

Squeegee Beckenheim 15th November 2018 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12502873)
Vermont Democratic Party immediately cancels events planned with Michael Avenatti: We have not heard from his people, but while there is some kind of arrest and investigation to ensue, were not going to step into that arena with him."

That sounds like a reasonable and appropriate response. Shows integrity.

Matthew Best 15th November 2018 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12502902)
Having no facts whatsoever, this time around instinct tells me... "set-up".

Set-up? Surely not, if this guy is taking credit for it:

https://twitter.com/SurefireIntel/st...663998465?s=01

I mean, you should see Surefire's LinkedIn profile - they have some serious heavy hitters working for them.

Squeegee Beckenheim 15th November 2018 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Best (Post 12503187)
Set-up? Surely not, if this guy is taking credit for it:

https://twitter.com/SurefireIntel/st...663998465?s=01

I mean, you should see Surefire's LinkedIn profile - they have some serious heavy hitters working for them.

While I'm tempted to just say "well, that obviously means the charges against Avenatti are entirely fabricated", let's not forget the possibility that the charges are genuine and Surefire Intelligence is just taking credit for something they had nothing to do with. I think I err on the side of the former, given Surefire's track record, but we should still wait for more information before coming to any conclusions.

The Great Zaganza 15th November 2018 05:03 AM

For an arrest warrant, there must be some credible evidence or a big ****-up by the judge.

Belz... 15th November 2018 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12503035)
Meh.
The Avenatti Show was decent entertainment and I had hoped it would run for another Season.
Too bad it got cancelled already.

So it's not renewed for season 2?

That's too bad. And it had such good ratings from the conservative demo.

The Big Dog 15th November 2018 07:08 AM

Avenatti denies hitting her, despite screaming on the site that "she hit me first."

Right Mikey.

Squeegee Beckenheim 15th November 2018 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12503309)
Avenatti denies hitting her, despite screaming on the site that "she hit me first."

Right Mikey.

Bear in mind that TMZ isn't stating that as fact, but instead reporting it as "we're told" (seriously, that phrase is used 4 times in the article) and that it's coming from "our sources" (3 times). Also bear in mind that Jacol Wohl (yes, the same guy who held a press conference last week, alleging sexual assault against Robert Mueller) has claimed to be the source of this story, and that the TMZ story itself informs the readers that "our sources" gave them incorrect information.

In other words, I wouldn't bet my house on all or even any of the information in this story being accurate, yet. Even you were laughing at Wohl last week. Do you really want to throw your weight behind him this week because the person he alleges he's targeting is Avenatti, rather than Mueller?

I think a "wait and see" approach is probably more wise.

Belz... 15th November 2018 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 12503316)
I think a "wait and see" approach is probably more wise.

Yes but less fun and cathartic, I'm sure.


ETA: Wow, the song that was playing when I wrote that is called Catharsis. Huh.

varwoche 15th November 2018 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 12503316)
Bear in mind that TMZ isn't stating that as fact, but instead reporting it as "we're told" (seriously, that phrase is used 4 times in the article) and that it's coming from "our sources" (3 times). Also bear in mind that Jacol Wohl (yes, the same guy who held a press conference last week, alleging sexual assault against Robert Mueller) has claimed to be the source of this story, and that the TMZ story itself informs the readers that "our sources" gave them incorrect information.

In other words, I wouldn't bet my house on all or even any of the information in this story being accurate, yet. Even you were laughing at Wohl last week. Do you really want to throw your weight behind him this week because the person he alleges he's targeting is Avenatti, rather than Mueller?

I think a "wait and see" approach is probably more wise.

Yes it is, of course. But save your breath/electrons. TBD has magnanimously conceded that he doesn't consider all the facts, that Avenatti is at fault ... because he's Avenatti!

The Big Dog 15th November 2018 08:40 AM

#IBelieveHer

-M. Avenatti

"Don't tell me what cases you've won, tell me who you've beaten."

-M. Avenatti

/by the way? Did not take long for the leftists to abandon the #Ibelieveher cause when their sleazy hero got arrested because "She hit me first." Nice

theprestige 15th November 2018 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 12502972)
I can't help but be suspicious of the claim.

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Originally Posted by LSSBB (Post 12503023)
Possible swatting, we'll see.

I won't consider this rumor seriously until someone puts their name on a police report.

Belz... 15th November 2018 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12503376)
#IBelieveHer

-M. Avenatti

"Don't tell me what cases you've won, tell me who you've beaten."

-M. Avenatti

/by the way? Did not take long for the leftists to abandon the #Ibelieveher cause when their sleazy hero got arrested because "She hit me first." Nice

I think you're very confused if you think "leftists" ever supported this guy.

But of course, you don't think that.

Segnosaur 15th November 2018 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12502847)
TMZ says he smacked his ex wife around

Did he throw her to the ground? How about grabbing her pussy? I hear those are both acceptable forms of behavior.

Instead of smacking her around, he should have suggested a 2nd amendment solution. Maybe told her to suck on his machine gun.

I demand a full FBI investigation into the matter! As long as that investigation only lasts a few days, and they don't try asking questions of Avannetti or the victim, nor other people who might be relevant. That will clear things up.

The Big Dog 15th November 2018 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 12503409)
snip.

Just once I hope that our posters will avoid whataboutism, but I see that it is so deeply ingrained that it is virtually impossible to get them to actually discuss the actual on-going developments.

It is really quite fascinating.

(sad of course, but still fascinating)

bluesjnr 15th November 2018 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12503029)
HEADLINE! Something unfortunate happens to nonentity on other side of planet! Traffic jams ensue.

I'm about to speculate wildly about this completely unknown (to me), headline grabbing individual based on the non-partisan opinions espoused herein.

Segnosaur 15th November 2018 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12503412)
Just once I hope that our posters will avoid whataboutism, but I see that it is so deeply ingrained that it is virtually impossible to get them to actually discuss the actual on-going developments.

It is really quite fascinating.

(sad of course, but still fascinating)

Here's the think. People have told you over and over again that they are not necessarily supporters of Avanetti. People said that they don't support the man but we just like the effect that it has on Trump. This was the case months ago when he first came to national attention as Stormy Daniel's lawyer as well as his more recent activities. Yet for some reason you seem to ignore all that, with some bizarre insinuation that Avanetti is somehow "representing us" or is a central figure in anti-Trump politics.

If anyone is guilty of destroying the quality of dialog here, perhaps you should perhaps look inwards.

I made my post in jest. Yet others in this thread have made perfectly reasonable additions to the dialog... suggesting a 'wait and see' attitude, questioning the quality of the source, and even [i]criticizing Avanetti[i]. Yet for some reason you seem to be ignoring all that in favor of my post (which of course illustrates the hypocritical nature of those on the republican side of things.)

Drewbot 15th November 2018 09:22 AM

TMZ Updates include Stormy Daniels' statement, plus a description of events. http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/14/michae...iels-attorney/

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Our law enforcement sources say Avenatti was arrested Wednesday after a woman filed a felony DV report. We're told her face was "swollen and bruised" with "red marks" on both cheeks.

Our sources say the alleged incident occurred Tuesday night, but there was another confrontation Wednesday between the two at an exclusive apartment building in the Century City area of L.A.

We're told Wednesday afternoon the woman was on the sidewalk on her cellphone with sunglasses covering her eyes, sobbing and screaming on the phone, "I can't believe you did this to me. I'm going to get a restraining order against you."

We're told security brought her inside the building, took her upstairs and Michael showed up 5 minutes later and ran into the building. He screamed repeatedly, "She hit me first." We're told he angrily added, "This is bulls***, this is f***ing bulls***." We're told he tried getting into the elevator but security denied him access.

Cops showed up and escorted Avenatti into a corner of the apartment lobby and spoke with him for 5 to 10 minutes and then took him into custody.

A law enforcement source says on Tuesday, Avenatti "kicked her out of the apartment" and that's when the alleged domestic violence occurred. We're told she went back to the apartment on Wednesday to retrieve her belongings and called police to stand by in case things got heated.

alfaniner 15th November 2018 09:23 AM

If only The PDJT would support this guy the way he did Kavanaugh, right out of the box.

The Big Dog 15th November 2018 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12503432)
If only The PDJT would support this guy the way he did Kavanaugh, right out of the box.

If only the left would condemn Avenatti just the way they did Kavanaugh right out of the box.

Squeegee Beckenheim 15th November 2018 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12503376)
#IBelieveHer

-M. Avenatti

"Don't tell me what cases you've won, tell me who you've beaten."

-M. Avenatti

/by the way? Did not take long for the leftists to abandon the #Ibelieveher cause when their sleazy hero got arrested because "She hit me first." Nice

You are choosing to throw your lot in with Jacob Wohl, then. Fair enough. I'm going to wait until we have more reliable information before forming an opinion.

Oh, and just to stave off any potential accusations of bias from you - I'm on record, in this thread, as calling Avenatti a "scumbag". I have no dog in this fight, and I don't care in the slightest if he is guilty, beyond feeling bad for the victim and hoping justice is served. I'm just not going to take Jacob Wohl at his word, especially not when TMZ have already had to issue a correction for this story.

The Big Dog 15th November 2018 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 12503450)
You are choosing to throw your lot in with Jacob Wohl, then.

face palm:

Michael "She Hit Me First" Avenatti is now blaming ME for the fact that he was arrested for brutally beating a woman This guy is a SICKO!


Wohl is trolling, and you fell for it.

fantastic.

The Great Zaganza 15th November 2018 09:42 AM

Since Democrats have nothing invested in Avenatti, this is another opportunity to highlight the difference in how moderates deal with sexual abuse accusations.
It's a stark contrast to Trump and the rest of the GOP, not to mention the alt-right and Incels.

Elagabalus 15th November 2018 09:50 AM

This can't be happening! Avenatti was going to be the next POTUS!!

Squeegee Beckenheim 15th November 2018 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12503454)
Wohl is trolling, and you fell for it.

My second post on this subject is telling someone who was saying that Avenatti didn't do it because Wohl took credit that it's also a plausible scenario that Wohl is lying about being responsible. So, no, I haven't fallen for anything.

You really should try reading what I've actually said before trying to attribute viewpoints to me that are the opposite of what I've said.

FWIW, that tweet you posted isn't Wohl denying to be the source of the report. It's him saying that he's not responsible for (as alleged) Avenatti hitting a woman: https://twitter.com/JacobAWohl/statu...95195661590528

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Michael Avenatti seems to believe that I am responsible for him raising his hand to a woman. I am not.

Will he release the pictures of his battered victim?
You really should try to be informed about a subject before forming an opinion.

Squeegee Beckenheim 15th November 2018 09:54 AM

It's worth bearing in mind that Surefire Intelligence have taken credit for this. For those who don't know, Surefire Intelligence is Jacob Wohl, the man who last week held a press conference alleging sexual abuse charges against Robert Mueller. Whether he actually is the source of the report or not it's too early to say.

Squeegee Beckenheim 15th November 2018 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12503465)
Since Democrats have nothing invested in Avenatti, this is another opportunity to highlight the difference in how moderates deal with sexual abuse accusations.
It's a stark contrast to Trump and the rest of the GOP, not to mention the alt-right and Incels.

Almost immediately: https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/sta...49071491309569

Quote:

Vermont Democratic Party immediately cancels events planned with Michael Avenatti:

We have not heard from his people, but while there is some kind of arrest and investigation to ensue, were not going to step into that arena with him."
Also: https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/st...47630839955457

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Totally disgusting. And before anyone asks me, yes, Im disavowing Avenatti. I do not care what side hes on. #Basta
I'm sure there's more.

Belz... 15th November 2018 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12503445)
If only the left would condemn Avenatti just the way they did Kavanaugh right out of the box.

Didn't we all agree that he was a media-hogging weasel?

We just that calling him a porn lawyer was ridiculous, as if porn stars don't deserve legal protection.

The Great Zaganza 15th November 2018 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Elagabalus (Post 12503475)
This can't be happening! Avenatti was going to be the next POTUS!!

Still is:
assuming he is 100% guilty, he can still run as a Republicans and win.

theprestige 15th November 2018 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12503465)
Since Democrats have nothing invested in Avenatti, this is another opportunity to highlight the difference in how moderates deal with sexual abuse accusations.

I would say it highlights the difference in how Democrats deal with sexual abuse accusations when they have something invested versus when they don't.

Sitting president? Circle the wagons.

Sleazy lawyer? Cut him loose.

Donal 15th November 2018 10:17 AM

One of the leaders of your caucus in the Senate? Cut him loose.

Iamafalser 15th November 2018 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 12502972)
The original report said it was Avenatti's estranged wife who made the complaint, but she has denied it ever happened and that she has not seen Avenatti in months. The report is now that it was "a woman" but does not identify her.

I can't help but be suspicious of the claim. I will hold off judgment until there is a proper investigation. However, you just know there will be protestations from Trump supporters screaming that "the woman" (whoever she is) must be believed or the "libtards" are being hypocrites after the Blasey-Ford/ Kavanaugh story. Of course, the situation is different at this time but that won't stop them.

The situation IS different:

We know the when and where it allegedly happened.
It happened Tuesday, not 25 years ago.
It was reported to the police and the LAPD found probable cause to arrest the suspect for felony domestic violence.

I'd say that's just a tad more credible than Ford's allegation, wouldn't you?

Donal 15th November 2018 10:32 AM

You notice how this is a criminal proceeding and not a job interview?

LSSBB 15th November 2018 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamafalser (Post 12503538)
The situation IS different:

We know the when and where it allegedly happened.
It happened Tuesday, not 25 years ago.
It was reported to the police and the LAPD found probable cause to arrest the suspect for felony domestic violence.

I'd say that's just a tad more credible than Ford's allegation, wouldn't you?

I think we lack sufficient information to judge credibility. Right now, we have no idea who filed the claim, do we?

Mumbles 15th November 2018 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 12503482)
It's worth bearing in mind that Surefire Intelligence have taken credit for this. For those who don't know, Surefire Intelligence is Jacob Wohl, the man who last week held a press conference alleging sexual abuse charges against Robert Mueller. Whether he actually is the source of the report or not it's too early to say.

Was about to note this as well - the tweet is right here. So, although it's being reported as "Avenatti claims Jacob Wohl is behind arrest", it's really "Jacob Wohl claims he is behind arrest".

Now, this isn't proof that the charge is false, and it doesn't mean I see a reason to care politically - Dolt 45 plainly used campaign funds to pay off mistresses regardless, and anyone who voted this guy for president (is that foolishness still being bandied about) has something wrong with them - but I'm skeptical.

Dr. Keith 15th November 2018 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Belz... (Post 12503403)
I think you're very confused if you think "leftists" ever supported this guy.

But of course, you don't think that.

I love how much TBD thinks that Avennatti is important to the left. He is less important to the left than Ted Nugent is to the right. Is TBD going to be all bent out of shape the next time Nugent ***** his pants? Of course not. And yet he likes to act like anyone cares about Thirsty. It's precious.

gregthehammer 15th November 2018 11:28 AM

I always thought Liberal Tears were a myth, but I can no longer deny
Because here I sit with Tears in my eyes
My Hero, My champion,
Michael Avenatti!
What have you done? Forevermore your name now be...
"Assaulter! Assaulter!"
And the taint you leave on Progressive cause, ere never more wash away






er, or something like that, I guess?

;)

The Big Dog 15th November 2018 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 12503587)
I love how much TBD thinks that Avennatti is important to the left. He is less important to the left than Ted Nugent is to the right. Is TBD going to be all bent out of shape the next time Nugent ***** his pants? Of course not. And yet he likes to act like anyone cares about Thirsty. It's precious.

You love it?

Cool cool...

say, who did the Iowa Democrats give the 'honor' of being the closing speaker to at the Wing ding last august?

I love all the leftists lining up today to say how much they don't care about Avenatti.

fantastic


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