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WilliamSeger 26th July 2018 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 12374953)
You know that "y'all" is plural and I'm just one person, don't you? Are you conferring the "royal we" on me?

No, plural is "all y'all."

acbytesla 26th July 2018 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12374880)
The LA Times and other media outlets are pressing for the release of the transcript and tapes of the hearing (which of course should have been done in open court in the first place)

Recall that this whole bankruptcy mess started with a very shady involuntary bankruptcy filing in Florida, that one can be sure thirsty did not at all completely orchestrate.

Lets get these spread wide: #releasetheBKtapes!

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Originally Posted by plague311 (Post 12374889)
Jesus Christ, can someone change the ******* record? This is the same **** you've posted twice before.

<snip>

TBD could prove definitively all the negative things he says about Avenatti and it wouldn't make Trump his hero, the president, any less sleazy or any less corrupt. It wouldn't make Avenatti's story about Trump any less true or less important.

I concede to The Big Dog that Avenatti is interested in publicity. I concede that part of his motive is promotion. I concede to The Big Dog that Avenatti is trying to expose a public government official and his fixer while at the same time trying to keep potentially embarrassing personal legal issues private. As hypocritical as TBD says that is, it pales in comparison to his own hypocritical evaluation of character and morality.

The rest of us can clearly see his faux outrage and are amused by it. His double standard over Avenatti demonstrate an amazing dearth of intellectual integrity. How does one make post after post about Avenatti and his bankruptcy and ignore Trump's 6 bankruptcies? How does one complain and focus on Avenatti, a private citizen wish for a limited amount of privacy and defend a candidate and government official supported by the Christian Right paying off woman after woman for illicit affairs?

With the Big Dog It's one tu quoque fallacy and false equivalence after another.

<snip>

Edited by Loss Leader:  Edited for Rule 12

The Big Dog 26th July 2018 09:38 AM

A few hours after barring the media from his bankruptcy, Thirsty was bragging about getting an invite to a Democratic party in Iowa that is widely considered a precursor to a run for President.

I bet the multiple time felon that helped orchestrate the filing of the involuntary bankruptcy, that was also locked down tight as tick with Michael "transparacy" Avenatti's NDA's, is going to be the belle of the ball shortly.

Thirsty is Thirsty to become the democratic candidate for president.

These truly are salad days.

WilliamSeger 26th July 2018 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12374962)
Generally referring to the people who are desperately ignoring the facts I am bringing to this thread and want to talk about anything but the fact that Avenatti is a scumbag.

Well, this is the USA Politics thread. Maybe if you could explain what political significance this has, it would be a lot more interesting. For example, Donald Trump is a scumbag, but it wouldn't matter if he wasn't debasing and disgracing the office of president, intentionally doing a lot of long-term damage to American institutions that are vital to a democracy, and generally ******* up everything he touches. There are a lot of Republican scumbags who would be irrelevant except that they are using their power in Congress to enable and protect him. Get my drift? Why should we care about "the fact that Avenatti is a scumbag?"

Squeegee Beckenheim 26th July 2018 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12374962)
Generally referring to the people who are desperately ignoring the facts I am bringing to this thread and want to talk about anything but the fact that Avenatti is a scumbag.

Ah, then it wasn't actually a reply to the post you quoted. Okay.

plague311 26th July 2018 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger (Post 12375005)
Well, this is the USA Politics thread. Maybe if you could explain what political significance this has, it would be a lot more interesting. For example, Donald Trump is a scumbag, but it wouldn't matter if he wasn't debasing and disgracing the office of president, intentionally doing a lot of long-term damage to American institutions that are vital to a democracy, and generally ******* up everything he touches. There are a lot of Republican scumbags who would be irrelevant except that they are using their power in Congress to enable and protect him. Get my drift? Why should we care about "the fact that Avenatti is a scumbag?"

I thought that same thing when this was started. What the hell does this guy and his personal life have to do with USA politics? In fact, I think I'll report my post and try to have this moved. It makes no sense being in this subforum.

Joecool 26th July 2018 11:30 AM

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Avenatti himself spoke to federal district Judge Catherine E. Bauer, saying about his former partner, "They want to embarrass my law firm. They want to embarrass me."
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After more than an hour of answering questions behind closed doors, Avenatti told CNN, "I'm all for freedom of the press and open access. But everything has its limits. My personal financial dealings and that of an old law firm are of no relevance and, you know, we're not going to be leveraged by other people who are trying to get famous and take advantage of the situation."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/25/polit...irs/index.html


Isn't there a saying that people who live in glass houses should not throw stones?

The Big Dog 26th July 2018 12:01 PM

Not so long ago Thirsty wrote:

"When history is written there will be no doubt as to whether I contributed to and defended 1st Amend values. None."

And for the first time, I fully agree with Michael Avenatti, there is no doubt as to whether he contributed to and defended 1st Amendment values:

Avenatti most certainly did not contribute to or defend First Amendment values.

Consensus!

acbytesla 26th July 2018 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Joecool (Post 12375172)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/25/polit...irs/index.html


Isn't there a saying that people who live in glass houses should not throw stones?

Apparently the judge agreed with him. I also have issues with political candidates buying silence.

I'd love there to an exemption to NDAs involving political candidates and or public officials. The moment a person files to run for office or is appointed to political office or takes an oath of office all such NDAs become null and void. Also anyone who agrees to sell a story about a political candidate with the intention of that story being published which is not published in a timely manner may sell it to another publisher. That would eliminate the catch and kill tactics that American Media and others applied.

Dr. Keith 26th July 2018 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375004)
A few hours after barring the media from his bankruptcy, Thirsty was bragging about getting an invite to a Democratic party in Iowa that is widely considered a precursor to a run for President.

I bet the multiple time felon that helped orchestrate the filing of the involuntary bankruptcy, that was also locked down tight as tick with Michael "transparacy" Avenatti's NDA's, is going to be the belle of the ball shortly.

Thirsty is Thirsty to become the democratic candidate for president.

These truly are salad days.

I was unaware of his felony convictions. Color me surprised.

The Big Dog 26th July 2018 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 12375225)
I was unaware of his felony convictions. Color me surprised.

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Tobin, 48, whose police record in Central Florida includes narcotics and burglary cases, declined to speak with a reporter outside his house in Orlando.

“I’m not disclosing any information to anybody,” he said.

Avenatti later sent The Times a statement from Tobin. Reached by phone, Tobin declined to say whether he’d signed it.

Minutes after The Times told Avenatti that Tobin would not confirm making the statement, Tobin emailed to say that he stood by everything in it.
so sleazy....

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...601-story.html

acbytesla 26th July 2018 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 12375225)
I was unaware of his felony convictions. Color me surprised.

Me too. I see no felony convictions listed on his Wikipedia page. Aren't there Bar rules preventing felons from practicing law? Hmmmm. Something tells me TBD is deliberately exaggerating (another term for lying) Kind of surprising that a Trump sycophant would engage in deception and disinformation.

Perhaps a retraction is in order?

Dr. Keith 26th July 2018 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375230)

So, not a felon? And not a multiple time felon?

Avid readers will be shocked, shocked I tell you.

The Big Dog 26th July 2018 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 12375245)
So, not a felon? And not a multiple time felon?

Avid readers will be shocked, shocked I tell you.

cool Rule of So.

Bit bewildering that you seems to be intentionally misrepresenting the article I provided. But thanks for doing so I that may continue to crush the thread with facts and third party objective sources

here's another one:

He's a convicted felon whose rap sheet is 15 pages long and spans four decades, according to court records. He served time in prison in the early 90s and was arrested on domestic violence charges as recently as February. (He pleaded not guilty and the case is awaiting trial).

Seems like a fine upstanding young man... well compared to Avenatti anyway.

dream thread.

Dr. Keith 26th July 2018 12:53 PM

So, not Avenetti.

Sorry, I was trying to stick to the topic of your thread.

The Big Dog 26th July 2018 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375004)
A few hours after barring the media from his bankruptcy, Thirsty was bragging about getting an invite to a Democratic party in Iowa that is widely considered a precursor to a run for President.

I bet the multiple time felon that helped orchestrate the filing of the involuntary bankruptcy, that was also locked down tight as tick with Michael "transparacy" Avenatti's NDA's, is going to be the belle of the ball shortly.

Thirsty is Thirsty to become the democratic candidate for president.

These truly are salad days.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 12375270)
So, not Avenetti.

Sorry, I was trying to stick to the topic of your thread.

let me see if I understand this, you thought that Michael Avenatti signed a NDA with himself?

Read this in Count Rugan's voice: I think that's the worst thing I ever read…how marvelous.

salad days!

Dr. Keith 26th July 2018 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375273)
let me see if I understand this, you thought that Michael Avenatti signed a NDA with himself?

Read this in Count Rugan's voice: I think that's the worst thing I ever read…how marvelous.

salad days!

Please, you can't think I read your whole posts. That would ruin half of the fun.

WilliamSeger 26th July 2018 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375004)
...
Thirsty is Thirsty to become the democratic candidate for president.

These truly are salad days.

Oh, so this is just preliminary character assassination, just in case he does? Seems like there should be brighter blips on your radar. I have a feeling that our candidate will be a woman.

CapelDodger 26th July 2018 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger (Post 12375455)
I have a feeling that our candidate will be a woman.

You want to feel a woman candidate, do you? Gonna grab her by the pussy?


Liberal hypocrite.

The Big Dog 26th July 2018 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger (Post 12375455)
Oh, so this is just preliminary character assassination, just in case he does? Seems like there should be brighter blips on your radar. I have a feeling that our candidate will be a woman.

He has no character.

This thread is about this blip. Aint no one forcing anyone to post or read here

Of course you may wish to stay and learn something.

Craig4 26th July 2018 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375518)
He has no character.

This thread is about this blip. Aint no one forcing anyone to post or read here

Of course you may wish to stay and learn something.

He has damaged the president. That makes him a true patriot. I'm okay if he profits from his patriotism.

WilliamSeger 26th July 2018 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375518)
He has no character.

This thread is about this blip. Aint no one forcing anyone to post or read here

Of course you may wish to stay and learn something.

Why are you afraid of Avenatti?

Sideroxylon 26th July 2018 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375518)
He has no character.

This thread is about this blip. Aint no one forcing anyone to post or read here

Of course you may wish to stay and learn something.

“No character” says the Trump cheer squad member.

The Big Dog 26th July 2018 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger (Post 12375543)
Why are you afraid of Avenatti?

Afraid? How exactly does exposing the fact that this clown is a scumbag show that I am afraid of him?

He is a grifter, a scum bag and a total hypocrite

Now that you mention it, I cannot think of a better candidate for the leftists.

Hee hee!

acbytesla 26th July 2018 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375641)
Afraid? How exactly does exposing the fact that this clown is a scumbag show that I am afraid of him?

He is a grifter, a scum bag and a total hypocrite

Now that you mention it, I cannot think of a better candidate for the leftists.

Hee hee!

You're afraid that this media savvy, intelligent articulate man might expose your hero of his character flaws which dwarf any that Avenatti has. Just imagine Trump and Avenatti debating each other on stage. Avenatti would wipe the floor with the weak pathetic Trump.

That scares you. That keeps Trump supporters up at night. Avenatti all the time taking a big bite out of the sleaziest man in America. Trump loses that election by 25 points.

Sideroxylon 26th July 2018 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375641)
Afraid? How exactly does exposing the fact that this clown is a scumbag show that I am afraid of him?

He is a grifter, a scum bag and a total hypocrite

Now that you mention it, I cannot think of a better candidate for the leftists.

Hee hee!

Clown, scumbag show, grifter and total hypocrite - none could possibly apply to Dear Leader.

WilliamSeger 26th July 2018 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375641)
Afraid? How exactly does exposing the fact that this clown is a scumbag show that I am afraid of him?

He is a grifter, a scum bag and a total hypocrite

Now that you mention it, I cannot think of a better candidate for the leftists.

Hee hee!

It was kind of a trick question. It would be very foolish for trumpers to not be afraid of him. Michael Avenatti Says He’ll Represent Three More Women Allegedly Paid Off by Trump

The Big Dog 27th July 2018 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger (Post 12375737)
It was kind of a trick question. It would be very foolish for trumpers to not be afraid of him. Michael Avenatti Says He’ll Represent Three More Women Allegedly Paid Off by Trump

he made the same claim months ago. Hopefully he can actually do something for them before he gets disbarred, lolz

WilliamSeger 27th July 2018 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375880)
he made the same claim months ago. Hopefully he can actually do something for them before he gets disbarred, lolz

Is that why you're afraid of Avenatti?

Craig4 27th July 2018 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375230)

Then the perfect lawyer to go after Trump. We don't need Boy Scouts here; we need experts in sleaze.

quadraginta 27th July 2018 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375641)
Afraid? How exactly does exposing the fact that this clown is a scumbag show that I am afraid of him?

He is a grifter, a scum bag and a total hypocrite

Now that you mention it, I cannot think of a better candidate for the leftists.

Hee hee!


You've made it crystal clear that these are character traits you prize in candidates for your own party.

This does not mean that everyone else would see them as positive attributes for their candidates.

Lots of projection going on there.

acbytesla 27th July 2018 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375641)
Afraid? How exactly does exposing the fact that this clown is a scumbag show that I am afraid of him?

He is a grifter, a scum bag and a total hypocrite

Now that you mention it, I cannot think of a better candidate for the leftists.

Hee hee!

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12376012)
You've made it crystal clear that these are character traits you prize in candidates for your own party.

This does not mean that everyone else would see them as positive attributes for their candidates.

Lots of projection going on there.

Avenatti sounds almost as bad as the average Republican. Still, he pales in comparison to Donald J. Trump.

The Big Dog 27th July 2018 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12376012)
You've made it crystal clear that these are character traits you prize in candidates for your own party.

This does not mean that everyone else would see them as positive attributes for their candidates.

Lots of projection going on there.

False tu quoques are best ad hominems.

While you also accuse me of "projection" it is notable that you and our other correspondents have not in any way, shape or form contradicted what I have explained in depth in this thread about the subject of this thread. Indeed this is just another "whatabout Trump" nonresponse like all the others.

The Big Dog 27th July 2018 08:58 AM

AP: Avenatti announced Thursday on Twitter that he will be speaking at the Iowa Democratic Wing Ding in on Aug. 10 in Clear Lake, Iowa, a state with caucuses that play a pivotal role in winnowing the presidential field. Previous speakers included Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

This is the greatest news I have ever heard.

Avenatti/Stormy 2020!

acbytesla 27th July 2018 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12376033)
False tu quoques are best ad hominems.

While you also accuse me of "projection" it is notable that you and our other correspondents have not in any way, shape or form contradicted what I have explained in depth in this thread about the subject of this thread. Indeed this is just another "whatabout Trump" nonresponse like all the others.

Not really. It's about massive double standards.

Avenatti's behavior pales in comparison to Donald Trump. We're all out here shaking our heads reading your massive hyperbole and exaggeration toward Avenatti when these same traits you tag Avenatti with also clearly apply towards President Trump and on a far greater scale. We're all going 'huh, can he hear himself'?

Yet you NEVER EVER EVER criticize Trump. This is not an ad hominem or a tu quoque fallacy. It simply is pointing out hypocrisy and blinders. We're all wondering why Avenatti's behavior bothers you so much and Trump's behavior doesn't seem to phase you?

Especially when you consider that Avenatti can barely effect public policy if at all, whereas Trump as President clearly can.

plague311 27th July 2018 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12376033)
False tu quoques are best ad hominems.

You still have no clue at all what those mean. It's fun watching someone who holds themselves in such high regard, continue failing to understand what fallacies he's complaining about after it's been explained to you several times.

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12376033)
While you also accuse me of "projection" it is notable that you and our other correspondents have not in any way, shape or form contradicted what I have explained in depth in this thread about the subject of this thread.

Reading comprehension still an issue? No one is contradicting it because everyone here has accepted it. No one is arguing with you because best case scenario for you everything you've said is correct. Great! Guess what it changes? Nothing. No one is saying that Avenatti is a saint, or that he's a good man, or that he's above reproach. In fact, if Avenatti did all of these things several people in this thread have condemned those actions and said he should face the penalties for it. You won't accept that though. You want the argument, you want someone to contest it so you can post snarky one liners with links followed by random emojis. Neat, it appears most people are over it though.

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12376033)
With all of that being said, what is respected is his ability to Indeed this is just another "whatabout Trump" nonresponse like all the others.

Again, it's not a whataboutism. It's pointing out that you seem to have zero concept of consistent standards. While Avenatti is a terrible person for reasons x, y, and z. You're mysteriously quiet with regards to Trump having done X2, Y2, and Z2. Which is fun.

Joecool 27th July 2018 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by acbytesla (Post 12376021)
Avenatti sounds almost as bad as the average Republican. Still, he pales in comparison to Donald J. Trump.

Can you define average republican?

IMO, Avenatti could be Trump.

He doesn't want his personal finances disclosed. He talks big. He seems to enjoy the limelight and publicity. He doesn't like people taking advantage of his situation to capitalize and gain fame and fortune. In those regards, Avenatti is just like Trump.

acbytesla 27th July 2018 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Joecool (Post 12376187)
Can you define average republican?

I'll leave that to your own imagination.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joecool (Post 12376187)
IMO, Avenatti could be Trump.

He doesn't want his personal finances disclosed. He talks big. He seems to enjoy the limelight and publicity. He doesn't like people taking advantage of his situation to capitalize and gain fame and fortune. In those regards, Avenatti is just like Trump.

Granted. They have a few similar traits. But those two traits are shared by a lot of people.

I don't doubt for a second that Avenatti isn't pure and is motivated by personal gain and attention.

acbytesla 27th July 2018 09:33 PM

Since the Big Dog didn't post it. Avenatti was in court today and Cohen's lawyer asked Judge Otero to issue a gag order against Avenatti. Otero said he would consider it, but is highly skeptical of the idea and is inclined to refuse their request.

I can't imagine that Otero would grant the request as it is not Judge Otero's job to protect Cohen from possible criminal charges that may or may not happen and if did wouldn't involve this judge.

gabeygoat 27th July 2018 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 12375261)
cool Rule of So.

Bit bewildering that you seems to be intentionally misrepresenting the article I provided. But thanks for doing so I that may continue to crush the thread with facts and third party objective sources

here's another one:

He's a convicted felon whose rap sheet is 15 pages long and spans four decades, according to court records. He served time in prison in the early 90s and was arrested on domestic violence charges as recently as February. (He pleaded not guilty and the case is awaiting trial).

Seems like a fine upstanding young man... well compared to Avenatti anyway.

dream thread.


Tobin isn't Avenatti


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