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Skeptic Ginger 3rd September 2020 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13211497)
Maybe the beauty parlor owner should be US president. Couldn't do a worse job than you.

Touché!

Regnad Kcin 3rd September 2020 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13211532)
Commander Bone Spurs honors fallen soldiers again.

What a leader!! Jesus ******* Christ, just imagine any other president ******** on veterans the way this piece of garbage does. But he'll just call it fake news (everyone else is lying) and his idiotic sycophants will nod and drool. **** him and **** them.

Yes, yes, but still you have to concede that Trump was sent by God.

Jim_MDP 3rd September 2020 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin (Post 13211537)
Yes, yes, but still you have to concede that Trump was sent by God.

Well, to be fair... it wouldn't be His first plague.
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Norman Alexander 3rd September 2020 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13211514)
Here is the memo itself. I'm biased but I hear Steven Miller talking as I read it.

You'll enjoy this: The guideline for taking action is .... wait for it .... two weeks.

Bahahahahahaha.

Would be funny if this "sweep" netted the people responsible, and found they were all Trumpistas and white nationalists and other scummery associated with the Trump campaign. Because so far, that's who is almost completely responsible.

Lurch 3rd September 2020 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13211256)
No, I don’t think she is. Being effective would, for example, have resulted in articles of impeachment years earlier. Her tendency towards being openly disdainful of members of her own party helps to mark her as someone who has been in office far too long.

As for the mask issue, she shouldn’t ever enter a closed space without a mask on. She should also be aware of and following local COVID restrictions which would mean not being inside a salon at all.

Let's pile on Pelosi because of a (single?) slip-up, but shrug when the Orange Douche gathers 1500 into close quarters for his dose of cult-love.

Cain 3rd September 2020 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13211588)
Let's pile on Pelosi because of a (single?) slip-up, but shrug when the Orange Douche gathers 1500 into close quarters for his dose of cult-love.

She sucks. One of her senior staffers the boss's outlook as, "You know what you call someone who is 99% loyal? Disloyal."

She also ****** up by saying Joe Biden shouldn't dignify Trump with a public debate. She also blew the initial round of Coronavirus relief negotiations. She's a historically savvy operator who has had some iconic moments in recent years, but lately... she's a ****-up.

Aridas 3rd September 2020 09:16 PM

To weigh in very slightly -

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13211298)
Disdainful of her own? You mean when she told the newbies (including OAC) that their idealism was misplaced and they needed to slow it down?

I thought Pelosi was right and I love OAC.

AOC, not OAC.

As for Pelosi, I'm a bit neutral about her, slightly leaning positive overall. There's a number of things that are both good and bad when it comes to her - but it's generally best to take a step back and consider a couple things when it comes to her. For example, she's a very prominent and powerful Democrat, which means that Republicans will generally do their best to attack her in every way that they think might help them (including things that will hurt both them and her if they think that Democrats will suffer more for it, like what fairly certainly happened with the COVID relief negotiations) - and so will more than a few Democrats who would prefer to shift the balance of power in their favor.

As far as I'm concerned, the salon story is pretty much a nothingburger, either way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13211492)
Nov. 4

I'm seeing election day listed as Nov. 3, myself.

Skeptic Ginger 3rd September 2020 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_MDP (Post 13211541)
Well, to be fair... it wouldn't be His first plague.
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Nom'd and I'm still laughing. :D


Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13211602)
To weigh in very slightly -
AOC, not OAC.

Shoot, my brain is failing me. :o

Norman Alexander 3rd September 2020 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13211602)
I'm seeing election day listed as Nov. 3, myself.

Others are seeing Nov 4 as a house-cleaning day.

Aridas 3rd September 2020 11:12 PM

*sigh*

Suspect in Portland killing of far-right protester 'shot dead' by US marshals

The exact situation is unclear from the article (a bunch of shots were fired, no particular indication that the suspect was doing any firing), but seems like he's dead now. A somewhat... convenient end for a guy who was apparently actively being hunted by right-wingers. Of note, he claimed to have had a good case of acting in self-defense when it came to what he did and, well...

Quote:

Since the shooting, Reinoehl said he’s gone into hiding, and moved his children to a safe place after shots were fired into his house just hours after the incident. “They're out hunting me,” he said. “There's nightly posts of the hunt and where they're going to be hunting. They made a post saying the deer are going to feel lucky this year because it's open season on Michael right now.”

He had not turned himself in, he said, because he believed right-wing protesters were collaborating with police, who will not protect him or his family.
Unfortunately, a fear that is not particularly unreasonable.

Bob001 3rd September 2020 11:27 PM

Trump loves vets, except when he doesn't:
Quote:

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’
The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...uckers/615997/

The Great Zaganza 3rd September 2020 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13211689)
*sigh*

Suspect in Portland killing of far-right protester 'shot dead' by US marshals

The exact situation is unclear from the article (a bunch of shots were fired, no particular indication that the suspect was doing any firing), but seems like he's dead now. A somewhat... convenient end for a guy who was apparently actively being hunted by right-wingers. Of note, he claimed to have had a good case of acting in self-defense when it came to what he did and, well...



Unfortunately, a fear that is not particularly unreasonable.


This could set off another level of *********.
I hope the Marshals have some very good evidence why they had to shoot him instead of bringing him in.

Aridas 3rd September 2020 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13211693)
Trump loves vets, except when he doesn't:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...uckers/615997/

The White House/Trump denies it, of course. On the other hand, it's apparently been verified by a military official source when other news dug into it.

Given Trump and how Trump ticks, of course, it's pretty much easily expected behavior. The man's mind just doesn't work like a normal person's.

Aridas 4th September 2020 12:15 AM

Hmm. This opinion piece makes a fair point...


As election nears, Trump builds the very 'deep state' he railed against

White House manipulation of US intelligence on Russian and Chinese interference may rival WMD fiasco that led to Iraq war, say experts


Quote:

John Sipher, a CIA veteran who once ran the agency’s Russia operations, argued in a New York Times commentary on Tuesday that the pattern of the Trump administration’s actions “smacks of the very thing that Mr Trump has used to stoke outrage in his followers – the formation of a politicised national security apparatus that can serve as a personal weapon for the president. A ‘deep state’.”

David Rohde, journalist and author of a book published in April on the issue – In Deep: The FBI, the CIA, and the Truth about America’s “Deep State” – agreed with Sipher’s assessment.

“If a ‘deep state’ is a group of officials who secretly wield government power with little accountability or transparency, Trump and his loyalists increasingly fit that definition,” Rohde said. “Under the guise of stopping a ‘coup’ that does not exist, Trump is politicising the intelligence community and the justice department and using them to boost his re-election effort.”

The battle over intelligence is set to intensify as the election approaches. Barr has picked a prosecutor, John Durham, to investigate the FBI and special counsellor investigators who looked into Russian interference in the 2016 election. The attorney general has said he would not observe normal protocol and wait until after the election to publish Durham’s findings, or at least a version of those findings, with the likely aim of creating the impression that Trump was the victim of a conspiracy to undermine his presidency.
It... looks like it's getting to be that time again. Trump and the Republicans are turning their wild outrage-stoking accusations into reality in the exact opposite direction, yet again.

llwyd 4th September 2020 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13211696)
The White House/Trump denies it, of course. On the other hand, it's apparently been verified by a military official source when other news dug into it.

Given Trump and how Trump ticks, of course, it's pretty much easily expected behavior. The man's mind just doesn't work like a normal person's.

Yeah, it's an obviously true story. And it won't change the minds of his mindless, enraged base. Just more fake news, probably financed by that rootless, cosmopolitan Jew, Soros. Time to be fed with the daily piece of outrage and hatred by the Republican propaganda machine instead.

Minoosh 4th September 2020 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13211492)
Nov. 4

Why do you think the day of reckoning is not Election Day, but the day after?

Darat 4th September 2020 02:04 AM

Trump has no references apart from what he has directly experienced, he can't learn something unless it directly relates to him, and he can't put himself in another person's shoes. This is why we keep saying he is "projecting", he actually isn't as he just cannot comprehend other people have different motivations, reactions and goals. Therefore he has learned the FBI can investigate I. e. spy on someone therefore Obama spied on him, because that is what Trump does. Washington is a swamp because that is the only environment he knows can exist.

Captain_Swoop 4th September 2020 03:11 AM

Trump Retweeted
J
ordan Karem
@JordanKarem1
Again, this is 100% false. I was next to @POTUS the whole day! The President was greatly disappointed when told we couldn’t fly there. He was incredibly eager to honor our Fallen Heroes.
Quote Tweet

Jeffrey Goldberg
@JeffreyGoldberg
New, from @TheAtlantic: Trump skipped a visit to an American military cemetery in France after calling the dead "losers" for getting killed: Full story here:
https://theatlantic.com/politics/arc...uckers/615997/

Captain_Swoop 4th September 2020 03:12 AM

Trump tweets

I was never a big fan of John McCain, disagreed with him on many things including ridiculous endless wars and the lack of success he had in dealing with the VA and our great Vets, but the lowering of our Nations American Flags, and the first class funeral he was given by our....

..Country, had to be approved by me, as President, & I did so without hesitation or complaint. Quite the contrary, I felt it was well deserved. I even sent Air Force One to bring his body, in casket, from Arizona to Washington. It was my honor to do so. Also, I never called..

....John a loser and swear on whatever, or whoever, I was asked to swear on, that I never called our great fallen soldiers anything other than HEROES. This is more made up Fake News given by disgusting & jealous failures in a disgraceful attempt to influence the 2020 Election!

Mojo 4th September 2020 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13211532)
Commander Bone Spurs honors fallen soldiers again.

Quote:

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.

When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

What a leader!! Jesus ******* Christ, just imagine any other president ******** on veterans the way this piece of garbage does. But he'll just call it fake news (everyone else is lying) and his idiotic sycophants will nod and drool. **** him and **** them.


Link doesn’t work. Here’s another: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...suckers-report

Captain_Swoop 4th September 2020 03:29 AM

Trump Tweets

Why aren’t the Portland Police ARRESTING the cold blooded killer of Aaron “Jay” Danielson. Do your job, and do it fast. Everybody knows who this thug is. No wonder Portland is going to hell! @TheJusticeDept @FBI

Norman Alexander 4th September 2020 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13211813)
Trump Tweets

Why aren’t the Portland Police ARRESTING the cold blooded killer of Aaron “Jay” Danielson. Do your job, and do it fast. Everybody knows who this thug is. No wonder Portland is going to hell! @TheJusticeDept @FBI

Perhaps there's a reason they haven't yet, and probably never will... :rolleyes:



Also, if this tweet was blurted out well after the suspect was known to be killed by police, it would seem that that particular bit of news is not yet on AON or Fox. Because they don't want to report police-initiated killings in a hurry or even at all. Doesn't go with the narrative of POLICE=GOOD, BLM=BAD. Which means Donny-Two-Weeks is not up-to-date...yet.

BobTheCoward 4th September 2020 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13211532)
Commander Bone Spurs honors fallen soldiers again.


What a leader!! Jesus ******* Christ, just imagine any other president ******** on veterans the way this piece of garbage does. But he'll just call it fake news (everyone else is lying) and his idiotic sycophants will nod and drool. **** him and **** them.

I reject this claim unti the person making the claim (reporter) publishes all their data for peer review.

I also reject Trump's denial claim because he is a liar.

turingtest 4th September 2020 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13211799)
Trump tweets

I was never a big fan of John McCain, disagreed with him on many things including ridiculous endless wars and the lack of success he had in dealing with the VA and our great Vets, but the lowering of our Nations American Flags, and the first class funeral he was given by our....

..Country, had to be approved by me, as President, & I did so without hesitation or complaint. Quite the contrary, I felt it was well deserved. I even sent Air Force One to bring his body, in casket, from Arizona to Washington. It was my honor to do so. Also, I never called..

....John a loser
and swear on whatever, or whoever, I was asked to swear on, that I never called our great fallen soldiers anything other than HEROES. This is more made up Fake News given by disgusting & jealous failures in a disgraceful attempt to influence the 2020 Election!

Riiiight...

Quote:

"He was a war hero because he was captured," Trump said at the 2015 Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa.

"I like people who weren't captured," the current Republican front-runner told political consultant Frank Luntz, who hosted the event.

"He lost and let us down," Trump said. "I've never liked him as much after that."

"I don't like losers," the real-estate mogul, who has gone through corporate bankruptcy four times, added.
(And the photo for that article is so irony-laden- Trump at a "Family Leadership Summit" in front of a sign reading "Leading With Principle Over Politics.")

The Don 4th September 2020 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turingtest (Post 13211848)
Riiiight...



(And the photo for that article is so irony-laden- Trump at a "Family Leadership Summit" in front of a sign reading "Leading With Principle Over Politics.")

I suppose that President Trump didn't specifically call John McCain "a loser" - just that he lost :boggled:

Jim_MDP 4th September 2020 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13211799)
Trump tweets



I was never a big fan of John McCain, disagreed with him on many things including ridiculous endless wars and the lack of success he had in dealing with the VA and our great Vets, but the lowering of our Nations American Flags, and the first class funeral he was given by our....



..Country, had to be approved by me, as President, & I did so without hesitation or complaint. Quite the contrary, I felt it was well deserved. I even sent Air Force One to bring his body, in casket, from Arizona to Washington. It was my honor to do so. Also, I never called..



....John a loser and swear on whatever, or whoever, I was asked to swear on, that I never called our great fallen soldiers anything other than HEROES. This is more made up Fake News given by disgusting & jealous failures in a disgraceful attempt to influence the 2020 Election!

That's about the whiniest (whingiest) thing I recall him blurting.
Something strike a nerve?
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Firestone 4th September 2020 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13211799)
Trump tweets

I was never a big fan of John McCain, disagreed with him on many things including ridiculous endless wars and the lack of success he had in dealing with the VA and our great Vets, but the lowering of our Nations American Flags, and the first class funeral he was given by our....

..Country, had to be approved by me, as President, & I did so without hesitation or complaint. Quite the contrary, I felt it was well deserved. I even sent Air Force One to bring his body, in casket, from Arizona to Washington. It was my honor to do so. Also, I never called..

....John a loser and swear on whatever, or whoever, I was asked to swear on, that I never called our great fallen soldiers anything other than HEROES. This is more made up Fake News given by disgusting & jealous failures in a disgraceful attempt to influence the 2020 Election!

It was Air Force Two, but ok.

About that "lowering of our Nations American Flags", though:

"Mr. President, this is not true. You were angry that DHS notified federal buildings to lower the flags for Sen. McCain. I would know because your staff called and told me."

Miles Taylor, then DHS chief of staff
https://twitter.com/MilesTaylorUSA/s...38420466114560

ETA: and, of course, about "the lack of success he had in dealing with the VA and our great Vets", Senators McCain and Sanders were the main negotiators for the "Veterans Choice Act", passed and signed into law by President Obama in 2014.

Elagabalus 4th September 2020 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13211602)
To weigh in very slightly -



AOC, not OAC.
...

Aren't they part of NATO?

Fast Eddie B 4th September 2020 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13211849)
I suppose that President Trump didn't specifically call John McCain "a loser" - just that he lost :boggled:

To be fair, shouldn’t we give Kayleigh a chance to tell us what he really said/meant?

Segnosaur 4th September 2020 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13211798)
Trump Retweeted
J
ordan Karem
@JordanKarem1
Again, this is 100% false. I was next to @POTUS the whole day!...
Quote Tweet

Jeffrey Goldberg
@JeffreyGoldberg
New, from @TheAtlantic: Trump skipped a visit to an American military cemetery in France after calling the dead "losers" for getting killed: Full story here:
https://theatlantic.com/politics/arc...uckers/615997/

Did Trump just tweet (or retweet) a link to the article that made accusations against him?

Seems kind of foolish... What if some of his MAGAchuds actually reads the link and thinks "maybe there is some truth there".


Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk

The Don 4th September 2020 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13211885)
Did Trump just tweet (or retweet) a link to the article that made accusations against him?

Seems kind of foolish... What if some of his MAGAchuds actually reads the link and thinks "maybe there is some truth there".


Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk

It's a long article.

280 characters is more their pace.

edited to add....

and the author is called (((Goldberg)))

shemp 4th September 2020 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13211798)
Trump Retweeted
J
ordan Karem
@JordanKarem1
Again, this is 100% false. I was next to @POTUS the whole day! The President was greatly disappointed when told we couldn’t fly there. He was incredibly eager to honor our Fallen Heroes.
Quote Tweet

Jeffrey Goldberg
@JeffreyGoldberg
New, from @TheAtlantic: Trump skipped a visit to an American military cemetery in France after calling the dead "losers" for getting killed: Full story here:
https://theatlantic.com/politics/arc...uckers/615997/

I'm not surprised he retweeted that. He doesn't pay any attention to what he retweets. He thought it was something good about him.

MRC_Hans 4th September 2020 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firestone (Post 13211854)
It was Air Force Two, but ok.

About that "lowering of our Nations American Flags", though:

"Mr. President, this is not true. You were angry that DHS notified federal buildings to lower the flags for Sen. McCain. I would know because your staff called and told me."

Miles Taylor, then DHS chief of staff
https://twitter.com/MilesTaylorUSA/s...38420466114560

ETA: and, of course, about "the lack of success he had in dealing with the VA and our great Vets", Senators McCain and Sanders were the main negotiators for the "Veterans Choice Act", passed and signed into law by President Obama in 2014.

Well, Air Force One is per definition the AC that has the president on board. So it may have been the one Trump usually flies on, he is just unaware of that little detail.

Hans

JoeMorgue 4th September 2020 06:43 AM

He knows it doesn't matter. His followers don't study articles for things they disagree with, they skim them for things they do agree with.

Fact checking isn't worth the time in a post-fact world.

Segnosaur 4th September 2020 07:01 AM

Looks like the white house and the house democrats have come to a deal to avoid a shutdown over funding;

From;ABC News
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Trump administration have informally agreed to keep a stopgap government-wide funding bill — needed to avert a shutdown at the end of this month...The duration of the temporary funding measure or what noncontroversial items might ride along haven't been settled...There is sentiment among some Democrats for the stopgap legislation to extend into next year, but December appears to be the administration's preference and a more likely result.

That they would come to an agreement is not surprising... Democrats actually like the idea of government actually functioning, and the last time there was a shutdown, it negatively affected Trump's polling numbers (so he would want to avoid it too.)

I have one really major concern...what if republicans lose both the senate and the while house in the November election... If the funding bill only lasts until December, I could see either Stubby McBonespurs or Moscow Mitch failing to negotiate further funding in order to trigger a shutdown right before Biden is sworn in, just as a final 'screw you' to the country.

phiwum 4th September 2020 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13211680)
Others are seeing Nov 4 as a house-cleaning day.

Not this year. The absentee ballots will make for a slow count.

thaiboxerken 4th September 2020 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13211696)
The White House/Trump denies it, of course. On the other hand, it's apparently been verified by a military official source when other news dug into it.

Given Trump and how Trump ticks, of course, it's pretty much easily expected behavior. The man's mind just doesn't work like a normal person's.

As of this morning, we're still in step 1 of the "bad news about Trump" playbook. Denial.

I wonder how long until we get to the step where they concede the news is true but...

Suddenly 4th September 2020 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13211694)
This could set off another level of *********.
I hope the Marshals have some very good evidence why they had to shoot him instead of bringing him in.

The officers that shot him were unlikely to have been Marshalls. That headline really doesn't follow from the text.

Quote:

Michael Forest Reinoehl, 48, was shot by a federally led fugitive taskforce.
Taskforce is an important word. Usually these things are a combo of jurisdictions, like city/county/state officers who are coordinated by the feds. There are a lot of drug task forces like that where the feds are mostly in the wings.

Segnosaur 4th September 2020 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 13211930)
Quote:

Others are seeing Nov 4 as a house-cleaning day.
Not this year. The absentee ballots will make for a slow count.

If the elections are close it may take a while to sort things out.

But, if Biden manages to maintain a large lead, we will probably have enough election results on election day itself to know who the election winner is. (Even if they don't have final vote counts).

Aridas 4th September 2020 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13211834)
Perhaps there's a reason they haven't yet, and probably never will... :rolleyes:



Also, if this tweet was blurted out well after the suspect was known to be killed by police, it would seem that that particular bit of news is not yet on AON or Fox. Because they don't want to report police-initiated killings in a hurry or even at all. Doesn't go with the narrative of POLICE=GOOD, BLM=BAD. Which means Donny-Two-Weeks is not up-to-date...yet.

I don't know the timing of the tweet, but I think that I'll note that shortly after I posted that Guardian link on it, I got curious and checked Fox's website. It was the top headline story when I checked.

Also... AON? Did you mean OAN?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13211885)
Did Trump just tweet (or retweet) a link to the article that made accusations against him?

I read that as retweeting a refutation that had an embedded link to what it was refuting.


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