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The Great Zaganza 6th September 2020 01:04 PM

It's not Nihilism, it's Eschatology.
And it meshes perfectly with Trumpism.

Skeptic Ginger 6th September 2020 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13214041)
Trump Tweets

Congratulations to the U.S. Marshals on a job well done in Portland. LAW & ORDER!

Given there are 2 more pages I've yet to read, I've probably been ninja'd

Suspect in Portland killing of far-right protester 'shot dead' by US marshals

IOW they killed the guy that killed a far-right demonstrator. And Trump Tweets that. Disgusting isn't sleazy enough to describe that slime.

Ladewig 6th September 2020 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13214523)
I think that it's long since been demonstrated that nihilism has a very heavy influence on the Trump side. Which... honestly isn't a surprise reaction to GOP propaganda and efforts. Fear and hate takes a toll on any and everyone (though conservatives physically measurably more, at last check, given that their brains tend react notably more quickly and strongly to the stimuli) and applying a dirty bandage over festering wounds isn't solving problems, even if you can dupe people into thinking that it helps.

Perhaps I am being too cynical, but I think that should read “selling them a dirty bandage to apply over festering wounds.”
Maybe even “insist that the whole concept of festering wounds is a myth started by the Chinese.“

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13214597)
It's not Nihilism, it's Eschatology.
And it meshes perfectly with Trumpism.

Exactly.
Why should we be stewards of the Earth if we and the other real Christians will be raptured in 2-25 years?

Ladewig 6th September 2020 01:15 PM

Ignore post, please.

Skeptic Ginger 6th September 2020 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13214065)
Trump Tweets

Nancy Pelosi said she got “set up” by the owner (a very good one) of a beauty parlor. If so, how will she do in negotiations against President Xi of China, President Putin of Russia, or Kim Jong Un of North Korea. Not so well, I suspect, but far better than Joe Hiden’ would do!

Is Pelosi running for POTUS? :rolleyes:

Oh wait, isn't that a QAnon CT?

Notice he combines his annoyance that he's been accused of really ******* up relations and negotiations with two of those leaders and of being conned by the third.

Skeptic Ginger 6th September 2020 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13214105)
Although the ad was responding to statements Trump himself made, which were later walked back because he was talking out of his ass. The ad does ignore the part where aides explained that Trump wasn't talking about an actual plan when he said “On the payroll tax, we’ll be terminating the payroll tax. After I hopefully get elected, we’ll be terminating the payroll tax.”

So you have to read past the headline? :rolleyes:

Skeptic Ginger 6th September 2020 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13214298)
Trump Retweeted
Kevin McCarthy
@GOPLeader
Joe Biden likes to say “No miracle is coming.” But it’s not a miracle.
It’s SCIENCE.
And thankfully we have a president who believes in it and launched Operation #WarpSpeed so that America can develop a vaccine in record time.

:crazy:

Safe-Keeper 6th September 2020 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13214461)

Trump: "See, there's some very fine people on both sides."

Skeptic Ginger 6th September 2020 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat (Post 13214444)
He's been stealing art from US embassy in Paris.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/...allen-soldiers

From Slate: Trump Took Art From Ambassador’s Home in Paris, But Pieces Were Fakes and Replicas
Quote:

The art was reportedly worth some $750,000 and the White House may have called them “historical” but the truth is that they were fakes and replicas. The figurines that now sit in the Oval Office are from the early 20th century by an artist who was trying to claim they were from the 16th or 17 centuries. The figurines have little value and are really “20th century fakes of wannabe 17th century sculptures,” according to an art dealer. The Franklin bust and portrait were also copies of the originals. White House officials ended up borrowing the original portrait from the National Portrait Gallery and hanging it up in the Oval Office rather than the replica Trump brought back from France.
If Trump said they belong in the People's House then you know he didn't realize they were fakes. Yep, he knows now, you can bet he made excuses.

:dl:

Gulliver Foyle 6th September 2020 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13214590)
No, not really. Nihilists are almost always atheists who are more often liberal than the average American.

Edited by Agatha:  Edited to remove breach of rule 12

Captain_Swoop 6th September 2020 01:38 PM

Louis DeJoy is in trouble for getting employees to make donations to the GOP in return for a pay bonus.

Washington Post reported DeJoy’s decade-long scheme of getting his employees into donating to the Republican party, and then illegally reimbursing them through company bonuses.

North Carolina Attorney General Josh Stein from bringing a criminal case on state charges. Stein issued this statement today:

Quote:

My statement on today’s @washingtonpost story “Louis DeJoy’s rise as GOP fundraiser was powered by contributions from co. workers who were later reimbursed, former employees say”:
It is against the law to directly or indirectly reimburse someone for a political contribution. Any credible allegations of such actions merit investigation by the appropriate state and federal authorities

Aridas 6th September 2020 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13214590)
No, not really. Nihilists are almost always atheists who are more often liberal than the average American.

Some varieties, perhaps. I admit that I'm using the term a little loosely, though, and have no problem with agreeing to use a more accurate term, if you'd like to suggest such?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13214590)
If that's so then who is anxious about the earth being inhabitable in 30 years because of climate change?

Nice try at a gotcha. It works at a very superficial level, of course, but not really much past that on real examination. To tie this together with the previous statement, though... when, for example, big fossil fuel providers have *known* with great certainty about their role in climate change for longer than most people have been alive and much about the consequences of such, and their leadership, in libertarian fashion, decided that it's not as important as increasing profits right then - to the point that they've spent big for a long time on creating and sowing disinformation and doubt to prevent action that would reduce immediate profits, but also help make things much more sustainable, that's a problem. When that works, as it has far better on the "conservative side" of things for a number of reasons, of course there will be less alarm about a problem that isn't being recognized as real.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13214590)
That's good to hear, twitter radicals shouldn't be able to force workers to take their "all white men are evil" course.

If they actually were such, you might have a point.

Skeptic Ginger 6th September 2020 02:38 PM

Here's a link not paywalled:

Mother Jones: Report: Louis DeJoy Used Bonuses to Reimburse Employees for Donations to GOP Campaigns
Quote:

A bombshell investigation in the Washington Post is shedding new light Trump appointee Louis DeJoy’s rise to prominence as a Republican fundraiser prior to his May 2020 appointment as US Postmaster General. According to the report, DeJoy pressured employees of his former business, New Breed Logistics, to donate to GOP candidates; he then would reimburse contributions using bonuses.

At least seven New Breed employees spoke to the Post, five of whom said they were pressured by DeJoy or his aides to give to Republicans and attend fundraisers. Two others reportedly said that at DeJoy’s direction, bonus payments were “boosted” to offset the cost of the donations. Campaign finance records show his employees gave large amounts of money to candidates, including George W. Bush, Rudy Giuliani, Sen. John McCain, and former North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory, according to the investigation:
And TPM: Ex-Staffers At DeJoy’s Former Business Say He Reimbursed Them For Donations To GOPers
Quote:

Reimbursing employees for political contributions is a violation of North Carolina and federal election laws. ...

We gave him the money, and then he reciprocated by giving us big bonuses,” David Young, DeJoy’s longtime director of human resources, told the Post. “When we got our bonuses, let’s just say they were bigger, they exceeded expectations — and that covered the tax and everything else.”
That's not just some disgruntled employees.

But if you expect anyone from this over-the-top in-plain-sight corruption to actually do anything about it, you will likely be disappointed.
Quote:

North Carolina attorney general Josh Stein issued a statement following the Post’s report, which reiterated that it’s unlawful to reimburse people for making a political contributions, but declined to say whether an investigation into DeJoy’s alleged reimbursements to former employees will be launched.
DeJoy knows he can be pardoned and many many Republicans are in it neck deep themselves.


BUT AG Josh Stein is a Democrat and DeJoy can be charged under state law, no pardon, so we'll see.

Stacyhs 6th September 2020 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13214699)
Here's a link not paywalled:

Mother Jones: Report: Louis DeJoy Used Bonuses to Reimburse Employees for Donations to GOP Campaigns

And TPM: Ex-Staffers At DeJoy’s Former Business Say He Reimbursed Them For Donations To GOPersThat's not just some disgruntled employees.

But if you expect anyone from this over-the-top in-plain-sight corruption to actually do anything about it, you will likely be disappointed.DeJoy knows he can be pardoned and many many Republicans are in it neck deep themselves.


BUT AG Josh Stein is a Democrat and DeJoy can be charged under state law, no pardon, so we'll see.

Donnie won't be pleased that donations were made to McCain.

Aridas 6th September 2020 04:38 PM

Hmm. Well, here's another blow to some of the GOP's attack lines.

Anita Hill vows to vote for Joe Biden and work with him on gender issues

Elsewhere... Rick Wilson comments...

Quote:

So, let me get this right:

Trump hired an Obama impersonator so he could berate him and tell him "You're fired" because he's totally normal, stable person without a roaring void of malevolent narcissism where a human soul would normally be found, yes?
Seems to be referring to this.

Oh, and...

One of the statements in a lawsuit is now that Epstein showed a 14-year-old girl To Trump, saying "This is a good one, right?" and Trump smiled and nodded.

rdaneel 6th September 2020 05:41 PM

Just saw this one from George Takei and liked it.

Overheard: Can we call the swamped Trump boat people "Proud Buoys" from now on?

Stacyhs 6th September 2020 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdaneel (Post 13214869)
Just saw this one from George Takei and liked it.

Overheard: Can we call the swamped Trump boat people "Proud Buoys" from now on?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...58280e0dc0.bmp

Bob001 6th September 2020 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13214636)
....
Washington Post reported DeJoy’s decade-long scheme of getting his employees into donating to the Republican party, and then illegally reimbursing them through company bonuses.
....

Link to original story:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...1c4_story.html

Captain_Swoop 6th September 2020 07:54 PM

Trump retweets

Andrew Surabian
@Surabees
It says everything about how broken the media is that after @JeffreyGoldberg helped lie this nation into the Iraq War, he wasn't run out of journalism in embarrassment, but rather given promotions to continue his shoddy "journalism" unabated. Our "elites" constantly fail upwards.

Not only does @JeffreyGoldberg have low editorial standards, he's long been a propagandist for the Military Industrial Complex.
He pushed their lies to get us into the Iraq War & is pushing their easily debunked lies about Trump, b/c unlike Biden, Trump won't support their wars.

Captain_Swoop 6th September 2020 07:55 PM

Trump Retweeted
Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
Thousands of Americans died and even more came home wounded because career politicians like Joe Biden voted to send them to Iraq!!!
Quote Tweet

Trump War Room - Text TRUMP to 88022
@TrumpWarRoom
Donald Trump in 2007 on the terrible cost of the Iraq War:
"Nobody talks about the soldiers that are coming back with no arms and no legs... The most beautiful people I've ever seen"

Captain_Swoop 6th September 2020 07:56 PM

Trump Tweets

A massive Disinformation Campaign is going on by the Democrats, their partner, the Fake News Media, & Big Tech. They create false stories and then push them like has never been done before, even beyond the 2016 Campaign. It imperils our Country, and must stop now. Victory 2020!

Ladewig 6th September 2020 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13214941)
Trump Tweets

A massive Disinformation Campaign is going on by the Democrats, their partner, the Fake News Media, & Big Tech. They create false stories and then push them like has never been done before, even beyond the 2016 Campaign. It imperils our Country, and must stop now. Victory 2020!

I suppose DJT could be aware of the 1890s, Pulitzer, Hearst, and Yelliw Journalism, and that he is simply ignoring all that because he knows most Americans don’t know American history.

And I suppose DJT doesn’t know jack about any US or world history that is not related in some way to his properties.

........
Every day it is a challenge to determine which of his traits annoys me the most

ignorance
stupidity
self-centeredness
contempt for evidence
petulance
sexism
racism
hypocrisy
vanity
the lengths to which he goes to avoid even the appearance of a mistake

Lupus 6th September 2020 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13214683)
Some varieties, perhaps. I admit that I'm using the term a little loosely, though, and have no problem with agreeing to use a more accurate term, if you'd like to suggest such?

My answer is "Whatever meaning were you trying to use".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13214683)
Nice try at a gotcha. It works at a very superficial level, of course, but not really much past that on real examination. To tie this together with the previous statement, though... when, for example, big fossil fuel providers have *known* with great certainty about their role in climate change for longer than most people have been alive and much about the consequences of such, and their leadership, in libertarian fashion, decided that it's not as important as increasing profits right then - to the point that they've spent big for a long time on creating and sowing disinformation and doubt to prevent action that would reduce immediate profits, but also help make things much more sustainable, that's a problem. When that works, as it has far better on the "conservative side" of things for a number of reasons, of course there will be less alarm about a problem that isn't being recognized as real.

But liberals do think it's real though, so it still works as a way liberals are driven by fear. For hate, Trump and every republican current president are good examples. I put the reason why in the dedicated global warming thread.

Stacyhs 6th September 2020 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13214941)
Trump Tweets

A massive Disinformation Campaign is going on by the Democrats, their partner, the Fake News Media, & Big Tech. They create false stories and then push them like has never been done before, even beyond the 2016 Campaign. It imperils our Country, and must stop now. Victory 2020!

.

Cough up a new one, Donnie! This one, or a variation thereof, reached its expiration date a long time ago. Use some imagination.

Lurch 6th September 2020 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13214937)
Trump retweets

Andrew Surabian
@Surabees
It says everything about how broken the media is that after @JeffreyGoldberg helped lie this nation into the Iraq War, he wasn't run out of journalism in embarrassment, but rather given promotions to continue his shoddy "journalism" unabated. Our "elites" constantly fail upwards.

Sometimes yer right, Andrew. Trump claims to be of the 'elite', and sure as hell he "failed upwards."

Lurch 6th September 2020 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13214977)
My answer is "Whatever meaning were you trying to use".



But liberals do think it's real though, so it still works as a way liberals are driven by fear. For hate, Trump and every republican current president are good examples. I put the reason why in the dedicated global warming thread.

I suppose fear of vast tracts of the planet becoming uninhabitable or unfit for agriculture is more irrational than fear of brown-skinned people.

Is a 'leader' who is demonstrably in the pocket of a foreign power, who is not hauled before a court of law because of the protection afforded by a DOJ memo, not deserving of hate? A man is judged by the company he keeps; practically all in Trump's orbit are criminals and grifters. And look at the number of former associates, etc., who got to see him up close and are now spilling the tea. I guess *everything* uncomfortably negative about the scumbag is "fake news", eh?

Skeptic Ginger 6th September 2020 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13215017)
.

Cough up a new one, Donnie! This one, or a variation thereof, reached its expiration date a long time ago. Use some imagination.

Pretty much every word Donnie one note uses fits that definition.

Skeptic Ginger 6th September 2020 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13214977)
But liberals do think it's real though, so it still works as a way liberals are driven by fear. For hate, Trump and every republican current president are good examples. I put the reason why in the dedicated global warming thread.

:dl:

I'm pretty sure the party of fear mongering starts with an R not a D.

The Great Zaganza 7th September 2020 12:02 AM

RE: Trump's comments about fallen soldiers.

I'm guessing that the unnamed sources were triggered by the defunding of Stars& Stripes.

Aridas 7th September 2020 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13214977)
My answer is "Whatever meaning were you trying to use".

Which is entirely unhelpful. Moving on, then, because neither of us seems interested in doing the work to clarify things further.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13214977)
But liberals do think it's real though, so it still works as a way liberals are driven by fear.

Hmm? It looks like you are indeed fighting a claim that wasn't made, then.

Fear is one of the major motivators of humans, in general, yes. However, not all humans are equally affected by it, with both positives and negatives to varying levels of effect. I am certainly not arguing that liberals are unaffected by fear, so your line of argument is entirely off the mark.

With that said, it might be helpful for you to review things like Fear and Anxiety Drive Conservatives' Political Attitudes to understand what I was saying more in depth. For example, when I say physically measurable, part of that is that the size of the amygdala, which is heavily involved in dealing with fear, tends to be notably larger in self-identified conservatives than in self-described liberals.

To be clear, again, this is being said in a neutral fashion. Everyone is different in a number of ways and we all have various positives and negatives that make us more or less suited to handle different situations. That conservatives especially react more strongly and quickly to perceived direct and immediate threats than liberals is not a bad thing in and of itself, but is much more easily exploited by unsavory actors to push fears, rational and irrational, (and associated claims to the fears when one isn't thinking as rationally) that benefit the unsavory actors in some way. Liberals aren't immune to such, of course, but the hurdle tends to be notably higher, which tends to change the balance to notably fewer irrational fears compared to rational fears, with the note that some rational fears may not pass the hurdle as well, given that it's higher.

uke2se 7th September 2020 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle (Post 13213688)
https://twitter.com/Jerri_Lynn25/sta...525892097?s=19

I don't even care if it's real or not.

It's not (the second one anyway), but it's an apt metaphore.

Captain_Swoop 7th September 2020 02:42 AM

Trump Tweeted in 2013

So, lets get this right. Steve Jobs dies and leaves his wife everything-billions of dollars. Now his wife has a boyfriend (lover). Oh Steve!

Captain_Swoop 7th September 2020 02:43 AM

Seems his disapproval of the former Mrs Jobs is not something new.

Firestone 7th September 2020 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13215097)
Trump Tweeted in 2013

So, lets get this right. Steve Jobs dies and leaves his wife everything-billions of dollars. Now his wife has a boyfriend (lover). Oh Steve!

What is this even about? :boggled:

Did Trump think it's ok to cheat on your current partner, as he regularly did, but not ok to have a new partner after your husband/wife dies? :boggled::boggled:

Captain_Swoop 7th September 2020 02:52 AM

Probably more concerned with her getting all the money.

Dr.Sid 7th September 2020 02:54 AM

Obviously Jobs should have given the money to Trump.

SezMe 7th September 2020 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cullennz (Post 13214011)
No. Because I just don't vote for sexist or racist people.

And both Trump and Biden have shown both traits.

If you can't tell the difference between Trump's overt sexism and Biden's supposed sexism then the world is grateful that you don't vote in the USA.

If you're younger than, say, 96, or have children, then the difference between Trump and Biden on climate change is sufficient to swamp any consideration of sexism so, again, the world is grateful that you don't vote in the USA.

Ladewig 7th September 2020 03:04 AM

Quick question:
Are we days away from seeing Trump accuse Biden of calling dead soldiers suckers and losers?

Ladewig 7th September 2020 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firestone (Post 13215102)
What is this even about? :boggled:

Did Trump think it's ok to cheat on your current partner, as he regularly did, but not ok to have a new partner after your husband/wife dies? :boggled::boggled:

I think it is less about the cheating and more about the money. It is not too unreasonable to assume that in Trump’s mind, a widow sharing inherited money with a boyfriend is the worst form of cuckolding there is.

SezMe 7th September 2020 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13214128)
Trump Retweeted

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11

Joe Biden was the most corrupt Vice President in American history.

Spiro Agnew would like to register an objection.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13214128)
Trump Retweeted

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
Finally able to share!
I’m excited to announce that my new podcast THE CHARLIE KIRK SHOW launches this Wednesday exclusively on @ApplePodcasts

I’ll announce my INCREDIBLE first guest tomorrow!
I‘d be honored if you were one of my first subscribers!
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...w/id1460600818

Yep, just another grifter trying to con the deplorables out of their money.


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