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Skeptic Ginger 23rd September 2020 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13233192)
Trump Tweets
Congratulations to @JudgeJeanine on the release of her new book, “DON’T LIE TO ME” which is now available. Get your copy today!

:jaw-dropp

Skeptic Ginger 23rd September 2020 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13233094)
Trump is too stupid to realize that this is just his own MAGA version of what he's accusing the 1619 Project of doing: conservative propaganda vs liberal propaganda.

That's a bit of false equivalency, don't you think? The difference between things like teaching tolerance vs teaching white supremacy?

Captain_Swoop 23rd September 2020 08:25 AM

Last night, Trump said of a Somali member of Congress, "she’s telling us how to run our country." He praised the good genes of whites days ago. It's not an "allegation." He's racist!

JoeMorgue 23rd September 2020 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13233541)
That's a bit of false equivalency, don't you think? The difference between things like teaching tolerance vs teaching white supremacy?

Yep.

"Biden endorses new math textbook titled 2+2=4"

"Trump endorses new math textbook titled 2+2=A Potato."

Doesn't mean both sides are the same, equally tolerant, or anything of that nature.

"Me being equally passionate about being wrong and you being equally passionate about being right means we're both the same" has been tentpole of arguments from the Right for a while now.

Captain_Swoop 23rd September 2020 08:39 AM

Trump Tweets

White House News Conference today at 6:00 P.M. Economy, Job gains and Vaccine development are all doing GREAT!

Bay of Pigs Veterans & Hispanic Heritage Remarks as past honoree. White House East Room. 11 AM. Thank you!

Very important that, in order to watch that ALL are following the Rules & Regulations, you become an Election Official at your local Polling Place. Go sign up NOW!!!

Captain_Swoop 23rd September 2020 08:43 AM

Trump Tweets
Wow, big news. Pick it up Lamestream Media, and pick it up BIG!
Quote Tweet

Senator Ron Johnson
@SenRonJohnson
OUT TODAY: Report with @chuckgrassley found millions of dollars in questionable financial transactions between Hunter Biden & his associates and foreign individuals, including the wife of the former mayor of Moscow. https://hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/d...port_FINAL.pdf

Segnosaur 23rd September 2020 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13233585)
Trump Tweets

White House News Conference today at 6:00 P.M. Economy, Job gains and Vaccine development are all doing GREAT!!

I guess the big question is whether this will actually be a valid presidential news conference or will it devolve into a typical trump campaign event.



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JoeMorgue 23rd September 2020 09:10 AM

Ah how I remember back, 5, 10 years ago naively wishing for a President who would again talk to the country more, he would bring back the modern equivalent of Roosevelt's "Fireside Chat" and occasionally communicate with the American people more casually, without so many overly prepared speeches and a less formal atmosphere.

I ah... might have misjudged that.

The Don 23rd September 2020 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13233564)
Last night, Trump said of a Somali member of Congress, "she’s telling us how to run our country." He praised the good genes of whites days ago. It's not an "allegation." He's racist!

The trouble is that for 35%-40% of the US electorate that's a positive and another 10% can find a way to look past it. :(

BobTheCoward 23rd September 2020 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13233664)
Ah how I remember back, 5, 10 years ago naively wishing for a President who would again talk to the country more, he would bring back the modern equivalent of Roosevelt's "Fireside Chat" and occasionally communicate with the American people more casually, without so many overly prepared speeches and formal atmosphere.

I ah... might have misjudged that.

Do you recall if you were holding a monkey paw at the time?

Skeptic Ginger 23rd September 2020 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13233340)
Trump Retweeted

New York Post
@nypost
Rep. Matt Gaetz: Bloomberg may face criminal probe for paying felons' fines https://trib.al/ziZLTlE

For anyone who doesn't want to bother clicking on the link: Gaetz is linking to himself.

He claims there is a law in FL that you can't give anyone something of value to get them to vote. He does not cite the law and claims the FL AG is looking into it.

These guys are so desperate to suppress the vote, aka cheat, yet they act like they are preventing someone from paying for votes. In reality Bloomberg is not paying for votes, he's helping people gain access to voting.

It's disgusting.

Safe-Keeper 23rd September 2020 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13233664)
Ah how I remember back, 5, 10 years ago naively wishing for a President who would again talk to the country more, he would bring back the modern equivalent of Roosevelt's "Fireside Chat" and occasionally communicate with the American people more casually, without so many overly prepared speeches and a less formal atmosphere.

I ah... might have misjudged that.

No, really, that sounds lovely. You just forgot to include in your wish that he or she be a grown-up with a concern for their country and people other than themselves.

thaiboxerken 23rd September 2020 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13232874)
“To combat the toxic Left-Wing propaganda in our schools, I announced last week that we are launching a new pro-American lesson plan for students called the 1776 Commission.”

And the right-wingers still insist that we can't call it fascism...

Bob001 23rd September 2020 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13233694)
For anyone who doesn't want to bother clicking on the link: Gaetz is linking to himself.

He claims there is a law in FL that you can't give anyone something of value to get them to vote. He does not cite the law and claims the FL AG is looking into it.

These guys are so desperate to suppress the vote, aka cheat, yet they act like they are preventing someone from paying for votes. In reality Bloomberg is not paying for votes, he's helping people gain access to voting.

It's disgusting.

If there's a law like that it's likely intended to prevent bribing people to vote their way. But that's not the same as making it possible to vote, like driving them to the polls. I would think paying off their fines would be seen as a gift as long as they weren't somehow required to vote. And since Bloomberg is giving his money to an established rights organization, not directly to felons, I doubt they can come after him in any case.

Solitaire 23rd September 2020 10:17 AM

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Trump Reacts To Covid-19 Death Toll Hitting 200,000 by Michael Collins and David Jackson

WASHINGTON – Making his first remarks on the latest grim milestone in the
nation's battle with coronavirus, President Donald Trump on Tuesday lamented
the loss of 200,000 Americans who have died from the disease, describing it
as "a shame."

"It's a horrible thing," Trump told reporters on the South Lawn of the White
House as he left for a rally in Pennsylvania. "It should have never, ever happened."

"It’s a shame," he added.

Trump — the master of social distancing.


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At UN, Trump raps China for virus as US deaths top 200,000 by Deb Riechmann

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump urged world leaders to hold
China accountable for the spread of the coronavirus, in a video address to
a scaled-down U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday as America's death toll
topped 200,000. Beyond criticizing China, Trump took aim at the very
foundation of the United Nations by urging other leaders to put their own
countries first, a message that echoed his “America First” campaign mantra.

“Only when you take care of your own citizens, will you find a true basis
for cooperation,” Trump said. “As president, I have rejected the failed
approaches of the past — and I am proudly putting America first, just
as you should be putting your countries first. That’s OK. That’s what you
should be doing.”

I don't think it means what you think it means.


P. S. I begun wondering why McConnell wears a mask around Trump.

RolandRat 23rd September 2020 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13233101)
1984 was banned in several school districts as being 'pro-communist' and 'anti-government' including GA, AL, ID,and challenged in FL. See a common factor here?

Pro-communist? I take it they never bothered reading it then.

Captain_Swoop 23rd September 2020 11:15 AM

Trump Tweets

I was honored to receive the Endorsement of the Bay of Pigs Veterans Association in 2016, and am honored once again to receive their Official Support and Endorsement in 2020. Thank you very much, I will never let you down!

Skeptic Ginger 23rd September 2020 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13233658)
I guess the big question is whether this will actually be a valid presidential news conference or will it devolve into a typical trump campaign event.

Need you ask? :cool:

Captain_Swoop 23rd September 2020 11:21 AM

Trump Tweets

We thank God for the blessings we share as citizens of the Greatest Country on earth – and we hope, pray, and work for the day when the people of Cuba can finally reclaim their glorious destiny!

Today, we reaffirm our ironclad solidarity with the Cuban People, and our eternal conviction that FREEDOM will prevail over the sinister forces of COMMUNISM...

...60 years ago, these Cuban patriots formed Brigade 25-06 in a daring effort to liberate their homeland from the communist Castro regime. Today, we declare America’s unwavering commitment to a FREE CUBA!

Babbylonian 23rd September 2020 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RolandRat (Post 13233800)
Pro-communist? I take it they never bothered reading it then.

At the very least, 1984 is anti-authority and that would be enough to get it banned in schools by those who want children to worship authority.

Armitage72 23rd September 2020 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13233880)
Trump Tweets

I was honored to receive the Endorsement of the Bay of Pigs Veterans Association in 2016, and am honored once again to receive their Official Support and Endorsement in 2020. Thank you very much, I will never let you down!


Trump didn't type this. If he had, he would be referencing the same "prestigious Bay of Pigs Award" that he's talked about multiple times in the past (which doesn't exist).

Skeptic Ginger 23rd September 2020 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solitaire (Post 13233788)
Quote:
At UN, Trump raps China for virus as US deaths top 200,000 by Deb Riechmann

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump urged world leaders to hold
China accountable for the spread of the coronavirus, in a video address to
a scaled-down U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday as America's death toll
topped 200,000. Beyond criticizing China, Trump took aim at the very
foundation of the United Nations by urging other leaders to put their own
countries first, a message that echoed his “America First” campaign mantra.

“Only when you take care of your own citizens, will you find a true basis
for cooperation,” Trump said. “As president, I have rejected the failed
approaches of the past — and I am proudly putting America first, just
as you should be putting your countries first. That’s OK. That’s what you
should be doing.”

The DW (German News Source) fact checked this. The reporter chuckled about Trump's BS. Fact check: it's a no brainer, Trump is lying about China.

DW fact checker Joscha Weber analyzes Trump's UN speech

The link is to the 5 minute video of the segment, sorry no transcript or written version.

On China's actions re COVID: False
US carbon decrease: True
US actions on COVID: False
On the US economy growth: False

RolandRat 23rd September 2020 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13233899)
At the very least, 1984 is anti-authority and that would be enough to get it banned in schools by those who want children to worship authority.

I didn't get the take from it that it was actually anti-authority, more anti-totalitarianism and a warning against extremism in Government.

Skeptic Ginger 23rd September 2020 11:55 AM

Re banning of 1984:
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1984 – George Orwell’s 1984 has repeatedly been banned and challenged in the past for its social and political themes, as well as for sexual content. Additionally, in 1981, the book was challenged in Jackson County, Florida, for being pro-communism.
Leave it to some group in FL to think 1984 was pro-communism. :boggled:

Might be getting off topic here but maybe not given the Trump regime is slipping into Gilead territory.

This is an interesting piece if anyone is interested in more information: Banned Books Awareness: “1984”

Babbylonian 23rd September 2020 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RolandRat (Post 13233915)
I didn't get the take from it that it was actually anti-authority, more anti-totalitarianism and a warning against extremism in Government.

Yes, totalitarianism is the authority against which Winston rebels. And, yes, you've identified the main lesson Orwell was trying to convey, but let's get real here: People who go around banning books in schools aren't interested in things like identifying themes or, well, learning.

There are a lot of people who - totally ignorant of the irony - consider it unamerican to distrust or even question the government. They'll say America is the greatest and, as long as it doesn't involve paying taxes, a citizen should always do as the government tells them. These are the sort of people who also worship the police.

Mumbles 23rd September 2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13233761)
If there's a law like that it's likely intended to prevent bribing people to vote their way. But that's not the same as making it possible to vote, like driving them to the polls. I would think paying off their fines would be seen as a gift as long as they weren't somehow required to vote. And since Bloomberg is giving his money to an established rights organization, not directly to felons, I doubt they can come after him in any case.

Right - the money goes to the state, not the individual, in most of these charities. If the ex-felon decides to vote, or not, is up to them afterwards.

EvilBiker 23rd September 2020 12:05 PM

It gets weirder.

Donald Trump calls Pope Francis “disgraceful” after he says Trump is not a Christian.

Even funnier, from the same Twitter feed, a Fox News contributor states that Pope Francis needs to ask Trump’s forgiveness for implying Trump is not a Christian.

Segnosaur 23rd September 2020 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13233761)
Quote:

For anyone who doesn't want to bother clicking on the link: Gaetz is linking to himself.

He claims there is a law in FL that you can't give anyone something of value to get them to vote. He does not cite the law and claims the FL AG is looking into it.

These guys are so desperate to suppress the vote, aka cheat, yet they act like they are preventing someone from paying for votes. In reality Bloomberg is not paying for votes, he's helping people gain access to voting.
If there's a law like that it's likely intended to prevent bribing people to vote their way. But that's not the same as making it possible to vote, like driving them to the polls. I would think paying off their fines would be seen as a gift as long as they weren't somehow required to vote. And since Bloomberg is giving his money to an established rights organization, not directly to felons, I doubt they can come after him in any case.

Florida currently controlled by Republicans, and they are known to act... unethically. I certainly wouldn't put it passed them to try to start some legal trouble against Bloomberg (even if any criminal charges would be thrown out by the courts).

JoeMorgue 23rd September 2020 12:12 PM

Without going too far down a probably off-topic rabbit hole, I think one of the reasons 1984 has reverberated in the social conscious is because even though it has strong anti-communist, anti-authoritative, anti-fascist themes, it was written in such a way as to serve as a valid cautionary tale for misuse of government systems of many kinds.

Regnad Kcin 23rd September 2020 12:15 PM

Why it seems only yesterday Trump was hoisting somebody else's bible outside a church he's never visited while waxing philosophically about Two Corinthians.

dmaker 23rd September 2020 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13233935)
a citizen should always do as the government tells them.

Except when it comes to wearing a small, cloth mask to save lives.

JoeMorgue 23rd September 2020 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dmaker (Post 13233974)
Except when it comes to wearing a small, cloth mask to save lives.

Patriots; people who would die for a country they would rather die than be inconvenienced for.

Babbylonian 23rd September 2020 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dmaker (Post 13233974)
Except when it comes to wearing a small, cloth mask to save lives.

Sure, but large swaths of our government (including the subject of this thread) have waffled on making it a requirement in even the most dangerous circumstances (like rallies held by the subject of this thread), so the deplorables can say "not my government" and go on endangering whomever they please.

Ladewig 23rd September 2020 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13233694)
For anyone who doesn't want to bother clicking on the link: Gaetz is linking to himself.

He claims there is a law in FL that you can't give anyone something of value to get them to vote. He does not cite the law and claims the FL AG is looking into it.

These guys are so desperate to suppress the vote, aka cheat, yet they act like they are preventing someone from paying for votes. In reality Bloomberg is not paying for votes, he's helping people gain access to voting.

It's disgusting.

If we are going that far let’s take one more step and say things like “I don’t have all the facts yet, but I heard that Gaetz is being investigated for a series of murders. People are claiming that LE agencies are investigating his links to a series of murders -but that claim could be completely false. Right now, nothing has been released to the media so we cannot judge the validity of any evidence that has been collected; for all we know, the evidence was never collected. At this point this assertion is all rumor and innuendo, perhaps even a slur campaign from an opponent. But a lot of people are saying that. It is not known if Gaetz has hired a lawyer to defend himself from these allegations of violence.

dmaker 23rd September 2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13233984)
Sure, but large swaths of our government (including the subject of this thread) have waffled on making it a requirement in even the most dangerous circumstances (like rallies held by the subject of this thread), so the deplorables can say "not my government" and go on endangering whomever they please.

True. I was thinking more of state governments. But it does not help when the leader of the country pushes back, confuses and sets a bad example.

It's a bit ironic, though, that Republicans (and conservatives), the group that resists federal interference in state level governing, should side with the bad example set by the federal government as justification for resisting mask mandates from states.

Captain_Swoop 23rd September 2020 12:49 PM

Trump on his message to Blacks upset with handling of Breonna Taylor case:
"I love the Black community, and I've done more for the Black community with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln."

RolandRat 23rd September 2020 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13233928)
Re banning of 1984:
Leave it to some group in FL to think 1984 was pro-communism. :boggled:

Might be getting off topic here but maybe not given the Trump regime is slipping into Gilead territory.

This is an interesting piece if anyone is interested in more information: Banned Books Awareness: “1984”

Interesting link, thanks. A comment from there that's perhaps relevant:

"The message of 1984, and our own real-world battles with censorship, can be summed up in one of the most impactful quotes in the novel’s dialogue:

“If there was hope, it must lie in the Proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.”"

RolandRat 23rd September 2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilBiker (Post 13233949)
It gets weirder.

Donald Trump calls Pope Francis “disgraceful” after he says Trump is not a Christian.

Even funnier, from the same Twitter feed, a Fox News contributor states that Pope Francis needs to ask Trump’s forgiveness for implying Trump is not a Christian.

Going by the link, he didn't actually say Trump wasn't a Christian, just that his views on immigration are anti-Christian.

Safe-Keeper 23rd September 2020 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilBiker (Post 13233949)
Even funnier, from the same Twitter feed, a Fox News contributor states that Pope Francis needs to ask Trump’s forgiveness for implying Trump is not a Christian.

Okay, I hate to give this clown show attention, but--

:dl:

SezMe 23rd September 2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13233200)
I disagree. You seem to be assuming moral values and levels of honesty that Trump does not demonstrate to reach this conclusion. Again, it's worth remembering that Trump was literally taught to use Nazi tactics, very much including the Big Lie. I'd say that it's nigh certain that he knows quite well that he's applying inconsistent standards and is doing so quite intentionally.

After reading that last sentence, I sat here and tried to think of standards that Trump has applied inconsistently. I couldn't but only because I couldn't think of *any* standards he has. I think "it makes me feel good" or "it will hurt someone that hurt me" or similar thoughts cannot be called standards in the usual sense of the word. So I have to disagree. Trump is so very reactive in the moment to his surroundings and those with him; this immediacy prevents him from using any standard by which to act.


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