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bruto 20th October 2021 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13634692)
A better question is how much will not.

Forget Swiss, she can do better in South Dakota.

Chris_Halkides 27th October 2021 03:59 AM

Greene on Bannon's podcast
 
""January 6 was just a riot at the Capitol and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants," Greene told Bannon." CNN Op-Ed

Norman Alexander 27th October 2021 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides (Post 13640294)
""January 6 was just a riot at the Capitol and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants," Greene told Bannon." CNN Op-Ed

I get the impression this type of argument worked when she was three years old and lied to her mom about stealing cookies even with the crumbs on her face. And she has been trying it ever since.

The Don 27th October 2021 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides (Post 13640294)
""January 6 was just a riot at the Capitol and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants," Greene told Bannon." CNN Op-Ed

I guess that argument has some kind of internal consistency, and the US does have "form" in that regard.

The US threw off the shackles of English oppression in the first place, the South attempted to ensure that their constitutionally assured states' rights were maintained when they tried to rid themselves of Yankee oppression.

At least that's the way it appears to the GOP. :confused:

Susheel 27th October 2021 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13640296)
I get the impression this type of argument worked when she was three years old and lied to her mom about stealing cookies even with the crumbs on her face. And she has been trying it ever since.

<usual suspects> Well her claim is perfectly valid. After all the libs celebrate the BLM riots. </usual suspects>

turingtest 27th October 2021 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides (Post 13640294)
""January 6 was just a riot at the Capitol and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants," Greene told Bannon." CNN Op-Ed

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13640296)
I get the impression this type of argument worked when she was three years old and lied to her mom about stealing cookies even with the crumbs on her face. And she has been trying it ever since.

It is kind of a childishly loose (and dangerous) use of the word "tyrant" to define nothing more than "people I voted against." The Jan 6 rioters weren't "overthrow[ing] tyrants," they were trying to overthrow a process that just had an outcome they didn't like. (Not to mention that the Declaration was written against a king and government that had, after all, been in place for a while at the time, and earned the sobriquet- it seems that the least the rioters could do before overthrowing a tyranny is to let it take office first and prove to be one)

dudalb 27th October 2021 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13632846)
And now she is in a major ****-show spat with Lin Wood. Two cats fighting in a bag, and that bag should be thrown in the river.



https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...1-10?r=US&IR=T

TO quote from a recent Godzilla movie:

LET THEM FIGHT!

dudalb 27th October 2021 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by turingtest (Post 13640698)
It is kind of a childishly loose (and dangerous) use of the word "tyrant" to define nothing more than "people I voted against." The Jan 6 rioters weren't "overthrow[ing] tyrants," they were trying to overthrow a process that just had an outcome they didn't like. (Not to mention that the Declaration was written against a king and government that had, after all, been in place for a while at the time, and earned the sobriquet- it seems that the least the rioters could do before overthrowing a tyranny is to let it take office first and prove to be one)

I also notice that people shouting about Tyrants are not really against Tyrants, they just want the job for themselves....

dudalb 27th October 2021 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides (Post 13640294)
""January 6 was just a riot at the Capitol and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants," Greene told Bannon." CNN Op-Ed

iMHO the GOP has unleashed forces that it cannot control,and in the end the Mob will turn on the GOP as well as the Dems. The Frankenstein monster always turns on it's creator in the end.

Horatius 27th October 2021 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13640310)
The US threw off the shackles of English oppression in the first place, the South attempted to ensure that their constitutionally assured states' rights were maintained when they tried to rid themselves of Yankee oppression.


This is one of those things that annoys me, because fundamentally, she's right. People do have a right to throw off a government that they feel has become tyrannical. Had Trump's coup succeeded, and he started tossed "libtards" in jail, I would support those people taking up arms to overthrow Trump's government.

The problem is, these wankers don't understand the corollary: When you decide it's time to start shooting at the government, the government is allowed to shoot back.

That's why you don't start civil wars over trivial ****. You only start them when you feel the cause is righteous enough that you're willing to risk death to achieve it. The level of whining we've seen from the Right wing idiots over the Jan 6th insurrection proves that they don't believe it's worth their lives, so that means they're just violent ********.

dudalb 27th October 2021 04:31 PM

Further proof that the GOP has created a monster they cannot control:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...oo/8570812002/

The writer of this is right:Trump and GOP own this guy, and trying to shift the blame will not work with other then true beleivers.

eerok 27th October 2021 08:01 PM

She's on another rampage.

Marjorie Taylor Greene: Build Back Better = boys into girls and segregation of children by race! (reddit.com)

Norman Alexander 27th October 2021 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by eerok (Post 13641148)

This is getting old. SHE is getting old.

bruto 27th October 2021 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13641163)
This is getting old. SHE is getting old.

Getting older and stupider and crazier....i.e. grooming herself for entry into the higher ranks of her party. She's on her way.

Norman Alexander 28th October 2021 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13641196)
Getting older and stupider and crazier....i.e. grooming herself for entry into the higher ranks of her party. She's on her way.

...to jail, more likely.

The Don 28th October 2021 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13641251)
...to jail, more likely.

:big:

I think one of the things demonstrated in the last few years is that senior figures in the GOP typically don't go to jail and those that do are quickly pardoned.

Matt Gaetz seems to be demonstrating that you can claim that any attempt to bring you to justice is politically motivated if it's within a couple of years of a primary - in effect making house members above the law.

Steve Bannon is currently showing how completely toothless congress is by simply refusing to participate in the Jan 6 investigation and ignoring all subpoenas - with apparently no meaningful penalty.

Donald Trump has demonstrated that the wheels of justice can be jammed by someone willing and able to drag out processes indefinitely.

Norman Alexander 28th October 2021 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13641255)
:big:

I think one of the things demonstrated in the last few years is that senior figures in the GOP typically don't go to jail and those that do are quickly pardoned.

Matt Gaetz seems to be demonstrating that you can claim that any attempt to bring you to justice is politically motivated if it's within a couple of years of a primary - in effect making house members above the law.

Steve Bannon is currently showing how completely toothless congress is by simply refusing to participate in the Jan 6 investigation and ignoring all subpoenas - with apparently no meaningful penalty.

Donald Trump has demonstrated that the wheels of justice can be jammed by someone willing and able to drag out processes indefinitely.

In the past, this was undoubtedly true. However as the noose tightens on those at the top, they will be more than willing to throw the willing dupes to the sharks in order to escape themselves. MTG is definitely not a Mensa type, and i expect she will be one of the many sacrifices the conspirators will be willing to make. Especially as she is also a loudmouth blabbering moron who could screw up everything completely by accident.

Also, I gather it takes time and considerable process to achieve a jail cell for contempt of Congress. So Bannon is trying to run out the clock. But he hasn't yet stopped the game so his ass is still deeply in jeopardy. Frankly, I expect him to find a reason soon to take a sudden and unexpected and lengthy vacation in some country that has no extradition treaty with the USA.

Stacyhs 28th October 2021 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13641029)
Further proof that the GOP has created a monster they cannot control:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...oo/8570812002/

The writer of this is right:Trump and GOP own this guy, and trying to shift the blame will not work with other then true beleivers.

I'm thinking that the GOP is going to start requiring all members have an IQ of =/<90 and/or have been diagnosed with at least one mental disorder that affects their ability to make rational decisions. Making it official won't affect their numbers very much but it would weed out the few who have flown under the radar concealing their >90 IQ's and stable mental health.

The Don 28th October 2021 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13641262)
In the past, this was undoubtedly true. However as the noose tightens on those at the top, they will be more than willing to throw the willing dupes to the sharks in order to escape themselves.

I'm not so sure the noose is tightening. :o

We've got reports in the liberal media that some GOP Representatives were involved in the planning of Jan 6. I'm sure that they will respond that they were planning a peaceful protest against the stealing of the election (which is now GOP orthodoxy) and that
  • The protest was peaceful
  • And if not, ANTIFA were responsible for the violence

I suspect that will allow plausible deniability. The House doesn't want a large number of their colleagues facing legal problems.

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13641262)
MTG is definitely not a Mensa type, and i expect she will be one of the many sacrifices the conspirators will be willing to make. Especially as she is also a loudmouth blabbering moron who could screw up everything completely by accident.

She also reflects the current view of the majority of the GOP. It's the "others" who are the outliers now. :(

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13641262)
Also, I gather it takes time and considerable process to achieve a jail cell for contempt of Congress. So Bannon is trying to run out the clock. But he hasn't yet stopped the game so his ass is still deeply in jeopardy. Frankly, I expect him to find a reason soon to take a sudden and unexpected and lengthy vacation in some country that has no extradition treaty with the USA.

I don't think he's in any actual danger.

smartcooky 28th October 2021 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13641029)
Further proof that the GOP has created a monster they cannot control:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...oo/8570812002/

The writer of this is right:Trump and GOP own this guy, and trying to shift the blame will not work with other then true beleivers.


If I were a Democrat living in America right now, my no.1 priority from here on in is to arm myself and my family to the teeth with powerful firearms, and take intensive training on how to use them too shoot to kill.

mgidm86 28th October 2021 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13641270)
I'm not so sure the noose is tightening. :o

We've got reports in the liberal media that some GOP Representatives were involved in the planning of Jan 6. I'm sure that they will respond that they were planning a peaceful protest against the stealing of the election (which is now GOP orthodoxy) and that
  • The protest was peaceful
  • And if not, ANTIFA were responsible for the violence

I suspect that will allow plausible deniability. The House doesn't want a large number of their colleagues facing legal problems.



She also reflects the current view of the majority of the GOP. It's the "others" who are the outliers now. :(


I don't think he's in any actual danger.

I doubt that. She isn't seen much on Fox, from what I hear. The few people I know who look at Fox had never heard of her until I mentioned her. She is not status quo and I think her true fans are very few.

I'm wondering if at some point the adults in the Republican room will start to silence these morons. Maybe if the next election is a disaster they will come to their senses. I don't think Trumpism is a good long term strategy. Of course I'm relatively sane. They seem to be waiting to see what happens.

Pfft ya well I can hope anyways. Hard to tell what's going on really because, like I said, I'm fairly sane.

Norman Alexander 28th October 2021 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13641270)
I'm not so sure the noose is tightening. :o

Well, public exposure has certainly made them jittery. If you mean legal restraint then I think we are agreeing from different directions. They will indeed try to escape any noose by the simple expedient of tossing the useful idiots to the baying mob while they flee, even if only metaphorically.

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We've got reports in the liberal media that some GOP Representatives were involved in the planning of Jan 6. I'm sure that they will respond that they were planning a peaceful protest against the stealing of the election (which is now GOP orthodoxy) and that
  • The protest was peaceful
  • And if not, ANTIFA were responsible for the violence

I suspect that will allow plausible deniability. The House doesn't want a large number of their colleagues facing legal problems.
Could be. We have already seen this tactic being rolled out. It's going to be as well received as the Twoofers of 9-11: There will be a few die-hard cross-eyed proponents but the majority of everyone else will look askance. The House may not want large numbers of members with legal problems, but a having a few might be palatable to "keep up appearances". The noisome troublemakers will be those few.



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She also reflects the current view of the majority of the GOP. It's the "others" who are the outliers now. :(
Trump Party. I'm suspecting a majority of the original GOP conservatives are coming round to the Cheney viewpoint that they can be deeply conservative but not in any way entertain this stupid 2020 election ****.



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I don't think he's in any actual danger.
He's not a politician, so he is going to be a much easier sacrifice to the (so-called) baying mob.

The Don 29th October 2021 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mgidm86 (Post 13641967)
I doubt that. She isn't seen much on Fox, from what I hear. The few people I know who look at Fox had never heard of her until I mentioned her. She is not status quo and I think her true fans are very few.

IMO her views exactly match those of the mainstream GOP
  • Election was stolen - check
  • Overturn the election by force - check
  • Liberal deep state - check
  • They're coming for your guns - check
  • They're oppressing Christians - check
  • They're baby killing monsters - check
  • Qanon conspiracies - check

In fact the only thing that springs to mind that separates her from the herd is that I don't recall her being openly racist - I may simply have missed it though :o

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Originally Posted by mgidm86 (Post 13641967)
I'm wondering if at some point the adults in the Republican room will start to silence these morons. Maybe if the next election is a disaster they will come to their senses. I don't think Trumpism is a good long term strategy. Of course I'm relatively sane. They seem to be waiting to see what happens.

Who are these adults, and where have they been hiding ?

The exemplar is apparently Liz Cheney who is in a minority (of one ?) by being prepared to say that Biden won fair and square, admitting that Jan 6 actually happened and being prepared to be critical of the Jan 6 insurrectionists. IIRC she has been marginalised and shunned by the rest of the GOP in the House.

Any adults have received the message loud and clear. If you are in a safe "Red" state or district, your biggest risk to your career is being primaried by someone even more Trumpist than you. There's no incentive to behave like an adult even if you're inclined to do so (and I doubt whether there are many so are so inclined).

No matter how disastrous the election might be, they'll still get 45% of the House and Senate and they'll be resoundingly Trumpist. If Sinema and Manchin get their way, there's a real risk that Biden will get nothing achieved and the GOP may win back both houses.

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Originally Posted by mgidm86 (Post 13641967)
Pfft ya well I can hope anyways. Hard to tell what's going on really because, like I said, I'm fairly sane.

It seems from this side of the pond that there are very few people like you in today's GOP. :o

Gord_in_Toronto 29th October 2021 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13642376)
IMO her views exactly match those of the mainstream GOP
  • Election was stolen - check
  • Overturn the election by force - check
  • Liberal deep state - check
  • They're coming for your guns - check
  • They're oppressing Christians - check
  • They're baby killing monsters - check
  • Qanon conspiracies - check

In fact the only thing that springs to mind that separates her from the herd is that I don't recall her being openly racist - I may simply have missed it though :o



Who are these adults, and where have they been hiding ?

The exemplar is apparently Liz Cheney who is in a minority (of one ?) by being prepared to say that Biden won fair and square, admitting that Jan 6 actually happened and being prepared to be critical of the Jan 6 insurrectionists. IIRC she has been marginalised and shunned by the rest of the GOP in the House.

Any adults have received the message loud and clear. If you are in a safe "Red" state or district, your biggest risk to your career is being primaried by someone even more Trumpist than you. There's no incentive to behave like an adult even if you're inclined to do so (and I doubt whether there are many so are so inclined).

No matter how disastrous the election might be, they'll still get 45% of the House and Senate and they'll be resoundingly Trumpist. If Sinema and Manchin get their way, there's a real risk that Biden will get nothing achieved and the GOP may win back both houses.



It seems from this side of the pond that there are very few people like you in today's GOP. :o

I can't find any really current figure but back in the Spring it was "only" 53% of Republicans believe Trump is the "true president’". So they are not all deludedinsane. Just the majority.

bruto 29th October 2021 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto (Post 13642516)
I can't find any really current figure but back in the Spring it was "only" 53% of Republicans believe Trump is the "true president’". So they are not all deludedinsane. Just the majority.

In a quick and inattentive glance, I read that stricken-out last word as deludarians. It suddenly occurs to me that the lack of such a word in our language might be unfortunate.

Lurch 29th October 2021 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13642646)
In a quick and inattentive glance, I read that stricken-out last word as deludarians. It suddenly occurs to me that the lack of such a word in our language might be unfortunate.

Deludarian. I like it! :thumbsup:

MRC_Hans 29th October 2021 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13642671)
Deludarian. I like it! :thumbsup:

I will consider it as a name for my next game character.

Hans :thumbsup:

Gord_in_Toronto 29th October 2021 11:19 AM

I'm busy designing a passport for Deludaria. They will be available on-line for $500(US) shortly. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Stacyhs 29th October 2021 12:19 PM

I love Deludarians! Can we just call them Dels for short?

Adam Kinzinger, who is also among the sane Republicans (has that become an oxymoron yet?), announced he will not be running for re-election.

Regnad Kcin 30th October 2021 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13642752)
I love Deludarians! Can we just call them Dels for short?

Adam Kinzinger, who is also among the sane Republicans (has that become an oxymoron yet?), announced he will not be running for re-election.

He’s nothing but a DINO.

Stacyhs 1st November 2021 01:41 AM

MTG steps in it again:

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Marjorie Taylor Greene supports letter from a 'non-violent' Capitol rioter who was filmed attacking an officer and saying he punched his head five times

Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene retweeted a letter on Saturday from a Capitol rioter, who wrote that he was a "non-violent" participant on Jan. 6 despite footage showing him assaulting an officer that day.

The letter's author, Nathaniel DeGrave, wrote that he "never assaulted anyone" and that his goal at the Capitol was to film a documentary with his camera crew, per a Twitter thread posted by criminal defense lawyer Brad Geyer.

Greene's retweet of DeGrave's letter appears to endorse him. "There are no words. I will be back at that jail this week," she wrote, referring to the facility where DeGrave is being held.

In his letter, DeGrave wrote that the paramilitary gear and body armor he wore on Jan. 6 was a costume for his documentary.
"The surveillance footage shows absolutely no signs of assault, and despite attempts by media companies to get it released to the public, the government has denied it," wrote the 32-year-old from Nevada.

But videos of DeGrave recorded by other rioters and collected by ProPublica, show that he attacked a Capitol officer after he donned a mask covering his entire face.
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According to the documents, he and two others traveled to Washington DC with two knives, walkie-talkies, protective vests and body armor, motorcycle jackets, shin guards, helmets, a face mask, and a gas mask. They also considered bringing guns and ammo with them but decided not to.

"They just breached the Capitol building. That's it bro. It's game time. We all armored up, we got a gas mask," DeGrave said on Jan. 6, in a video documented by the court.

"It's Dr. Death and it's about to go down!" he later says in the video.
Greene's office did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.
https://www.businessinsider.com/marj...rioter-2021-11

The Don 1st November 2021 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13644444)

Will she suffer any negative consequences ?

eerok 1st November 2021 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13644484)
Will she suffer any negative consequences ?

She'll look like a fool, but it's just another day ending in Y.

Regnad Kcin 1st November 2021 06:04 AM

“There are no words.”

Here’s one: moron.

newyorkguy 1st November 2021 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13644444)

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Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene retweeted a letter on Saturday from a Capitol rioter, who wrote that he was a "non-violent" participant on Jan. 6 despite footage showing him assaulting an officer that day.

We live in the age of alternate facts. As Mr. Giuliani described it:
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He rejected Chris Cuomo’s assertion that “facts are not in the eye of the beholder."
"Yes, they are," Giuliani said. "Nowadays they are." Politico link

Crossbow 1st November 2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13641262)
In the past, this was undoubtedly true. However as the noose tightens on those at the top, they will be more than willing to throw the willing dupes to the sharks in order to escape themselves. MTG is definitely not a Mensa type, and i expect she will be one of the many sacrifices the conspirators will be willing to make. Especially as she is also a loudmouth blabbering moron who could screw up everything completely by accident.

Also, I gather it takes time and considerable process to achieve a jail cell for contempt of Congress. So Bannon is trying to run out the clock. But he hasn't yet stopped the game so his ass is still deeply in jeopardy. Frankly, I expect him to find a reason soon to take a sudden and unexpected and lengthy vacation in some country that has no extradition treaty with the USA.

I sure do hope that you are right about that noose tightening.

Unfortunately, I still have quite a few doubts that the top people who really deserve the noose will actually face anything so terribly serious.

After all, that stupid, idiotic, lying POS George W. Bush got away with mass murder, torture, and all sorts of other crimes after he started the Iraq War. And if Bush can get away with his terrible crimes, then I expect that Trump and his top lackeys will also get away with their terrible crimes.

JoeMorgue 1st November 2021 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13644484)
Will she suffer any negative consequences ?

Yeah sure right after Trump, Bannon, and everyone else does.

So no, never.

Stacyhs 1st November 2021 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13644484)
Will she suffer any negative consequences ?

Just being laughed at.

I do think that there are some GOP who are embarrassed by her and think her a fool but they are too cowardly to say so. It might make Dear Leader upset if they do.

Trebuchet 1st November 2021 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 13644815)
I sure do hope that you are right about that noose tightening.

Unfortunately, I still have quite a few doubts that the top people who really deserve the noose will actually face anything so terribly serious.

After all, that stupid, idiotic, lying POS George W. Bush got away with mass murder, torture, and all sorts of other crimes after he started the Iraq War. And if Bush can get away with his terrible crimes, then I expect that Trump and his top lackeys will also get away with their terrible crimes.

Bush's problem was primarily his trust in Liz Cheney's dad, along with Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. He's simply not all that bright.

Stacyhs 1st November 2021 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13645131)
Bush's problem was primarily his trust in Liz Cheney's dad, along with Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. He's simply not all that bright.

I agree. He was led around by the nose by those jerks.

Liz must have gotten ethics from her mother because she certainly didn't get them from "I shot you in the face so you need to apologize" Daddy.


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