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SuburbanTurkey 15th April 2021 05:05 AM

The post-Trump fascist creep catch-all thread
 
Tucker Carlson's White Power Hour continues its steady march into open white nationalism.

This time, Carlson is parroting the elements of "White Replacement Theory", the idea that liberals intend to take political power in this country by importing or outbreeding white Americans.

White nationalists are thrilled to see their talking points on primetime television:

Quote:

White nationalist website calls Tucker Carlson’s ‘replacement’ rant ‘one of the best things Fox News has ever aired’
The Fox News host has won the praise of an officially designated hate group after appearing to endorse the racist ‘replacement’ theory
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1830829.html

You may be familiar with this type of rhetoric from the manifesto of several mass shooters in recent memory. The language that white people are experiencing a soft genocide is exactly the justification at the root of white nationalist and fascistic terrorism that is currently in vogue. You may also recall the chants of "you will not replace us" during the neo-nazi rally held in Charlottesville that ended in a terrorist attack perpetrated by a white nationalist.

Seems the mainstream right is not seeing the Trump loss as a repudiation of their increasingly white nationalist, fascistic politics, but rather are doubling down.

Norman Alexander 15th April 2021 06:28 AM

Surprise!

Tucker will keep doing this while advertising continues on his time-slot.

Craig4 15th April 2021 06:32 AM

I'm interested to see what advertisers do. Fox isn't above sacrificing some of its biggest stars when the money stops flowing. Good ratings don't matter when no one is paying you to put their ads in front of your viewers' eyeballs.

Belz... 15th April 2021 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13454607)
Tucker Carlson's White Power Hour

They really should call it that.

And yeah, this ridiculous theory isn't new. Personally I don't get it. I'd understand the resistance to, say, one's culture or morals being replaced by the new generations and so on, but I really don't give a rat's ass about skin colour. So what if, say, in 200 years there are very few white people? Why is that important to so many ******* people?

SuburbanTurkey 15th April 2021 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13454645)
Surprise!

Tucker will keep doing this while advertising continues on his time-slot.

In the past, pillow guy was there to pick up the slack. After the last Tucker moment of white nationalism, My Pillow was advertising on a majority of the time slots for the show after most of the mainstream brands temporarily distanced themselves.

I really doubt Tucker Carlson is at any risk here. Fox would probably air his show ad-free at a loss if they had to. It's massively popular, and it would probably be worth it as a loss-leader to get people to stay on the network. They certainly don't want to lose him to any competitors.

SuburbanTurkey 15th April 2021 07:48 AM

Fascist "white replacement theory" being repeated by US Congressional rep during hearing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...cked-up-house/

Donal 15th April 2021 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 13454648)
I'm interested to see what advertisers do. Fox isn't above sacrificing some of its biggest stars when the money stops flowing. Good ratings don't matter when no one is paying you to put their ads in front of your viewers' eyeballs.

The problem is, it's not just the advertising in the timeslot itself, it is also the lead in shows. They also have him as the main show on their streaming service.

Fox News also has the highest per customer rate among cable providers because their audience is pretty...we'll say "loyal".

And, there is the scramble to fend off not just wannabes like OAN and News max, but online platforms that, ironically, FNC helped elevate.

dudalb 15th April 2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Donal (Post 13454714)
The problem is, it's not just the advertising in the timeslot itself, it is also the lead in shows. They also have him as the main show on their streaming service.

Fox News also has the highest per customer rate among cable providers because their audience is pretty...we'll say "loyal".

And, there is the scramble to fend off not just wannabes like OAN and News max, but online platforms that, ironically, FNC helped elevate.

And Fox news has become the biggest earner for Murdoch since this sold off most the rest of his entertainment interests to Disney a few years ago.

BobTheCoward 16th April 2021 07:58 AM

In sense they are right. The older culture in the US is white, and I do seek it's total destruction through such things as libertarianism and complete open borders. And they are correct that it would be quite painful for them.

So what is the problem?

The Great Zaganza 16th April 2021 09:03 AM

Fox isn't primarily funded by advertisement but with subscriptions.

so it doesn't really matter if no one advertises on FTucker - as long as he has a lot of viewers he is safe.

dmaker 16th April 2021 01:11 PM

This thread seems like a good spot for this:

"A new America First Caucus — led by @mtgreenee and @RepGosar — is recruiting people to join based on “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” architectural style that “befits the progeny of European architecture”"

https://twitter.com/punchbowlnews/st...04228256837637

dudalb 16th April 2021 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmaker (Post 13455889)
This thread seems like a good spot for this:

"A new America First Caucus — led by @mtgreenee and @RepGosar — is recruiting people to join based on “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” architectural style that “befits the progeny of European architecture”"

https://twitter.com/punchbowlnews/st...04228256837637

The idiots probably don't know who the Anglo Saxons originally were...

SuburbanTurkey 17th April 2021 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmaker (Post 13455889)
This thread seems like a good spot for this:

"A new America First Caucus — led by @mtgreenee and @RepGosar — is recruiting people to join based on “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” architectural style that “befits the progeny of European architecture”"

https://twitter.com/punchbowlnews/st...04228256837637

Edging closer and closer to the "fourteen words", more or less, becoming official policy of the Republican party.

Belz... 17th April 2021 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmaker (Post 13455889)
This thread seems like a good spot for this:

"A new America First Caucus — led by @mtgreenee and @RepGosar — is recruiting people to join based on “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” architectural style that “befits the progeny of European architecture”"

https://twitter.com/punchbowlnews/st...04228256837637

Already a thread on this.

SuburbanTurkey 21st April 2021 05:19 AM

White nationalists in a froth over the Chauvin conviction. The usual propagandists are espousing the view that the guilty verdict was only reached because the jurors were too afraid of the mobs to do anything else.

Tucker Carlson describes a police officer being convicted of murdering a black person as an "attack on civilization".

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“Those things are unacceptable in America, all of them are happening now. If they continue to happen, decent, productive people will leave. The country as you knew it will be over. So we must stop this current insanity. It’s an attack on civilization. At stake is far more than the future of Derek Chauvin, or the memory of George Floyd. At stake is America,” Tucker complained.

“So before we consider the details of today’s verdict, a bigger question, One we should all think about. Can we trust the way this decision was made? That’s the promise of our justice system, that it’s impartial, that it’s as fair as human beings can make it. That the cop who killed Ashli Babbitt will be held to the very same scrutiny as the cop who was just convicted of killing George Floyd. That political or ethnic considerations will play absolutely no role in jury deliberations. That justice will be blind. Can we say all of that in this case?”
https://www.thewrap.com/tucker-carls...-scared-video/

Tucker Carlson trying to stoke the embers of race war, as usual.

Belz... 21st April 2021 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13459975)
Tucker Carlson trying to stoke the embers of race war, as usual.

Carlson has a lot of blood on his hands already.

SuburbanTurkey 21st April 2021 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belz... (Post 13459978)
Carlson has a lot of blood on his hands already.

It's a very instructive program, a truly pure distillation of the white fear and rage that animates so much of this country.

His continued meltdown about the verdict makes it clear. If black people are going to have rights that are backed by the law, this country, as he knows it, is over.

I suppose in that small way, he's right. Some might celebrate this change, but it's clear that many will violently resist it.

SuburbanTurkey 23rd April 2021 05:59 AM

Republican states across the country are passing laws criminalizing protest and legalizing vehicular manslaughter of protestors.

Quote:

G.O.P. Bills Target Protesters (and Absolve Motorists Who Hit Them)
As the nation reacts to the guilty verdict a jury handed to Derek Chauvin in the killing of George Floyd, Republican-led states are introducing punitive new measures governing protests.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/u...e=articleShare

Belz... 23rd April 2021 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13462108)
Republican states across the country are passing laws criminalizing protest and legalizing vehicular manslaughter of protestors.



https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/u...e=articleShare

The party of 'shut the **** up and take it'.

Norman Alexander 23rd April 2021 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13462108)
Republican states across the country are passing laws criminalizing protest and legalizing vehicular manslaughter of protestors.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/u...e=articleShare

Oh, that will go precisely nowhere really fast. I expect it already contradicts the First Amendment, and existing driving laws in all states.

SuburbanTurkey 10th May 2021 07:13 AM

Not just an absurd constitutional law hypothetical anymore:

Quote:

What will the institutions of liberal democracy do when Republican officials simply refuse to concede Democratic victories? The question isn’t as far-fetched as it may seem, and the reckoning may be coming far sooner than most expect.

...

So what happens in 2024 if President Biden or Vice President Harris win the Electoral College, but local Republicans on county boards with majority Democratic votes refuse to certify the election; when state legislatures who have seized control of certification refuse to certify their state tallies; when a potential Republican majority in the House of Representatives refuses to certify the Electoral College tally? What happens when they refuse to certify Democratic wins in purple state Senate races, throwing control of the Upper Chamber into limbo and chaos? What happens if Biden/Harris wins the popular vote by 8 million votes and 30 electoral college votes, only to see Republicans in states like Georgia and Wisconsin decide that their GOP legislatures will send electors for Trump or Tucker Carlson or Josh Hawley instead? What happens if Democrats legitimately add to their lead in the Senate, only to see Republicans refuse to certify those tallies as well, keeping GOP Senators in place for the next session?
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/0...mocratic-wins/

The Republican party is purging out any insufficiently devoted members to the MAGA cause. The next time around, a narrow (or not so narrow) Democratic candidate win may very well be rejected by Republicans as illegitimate. Republican voters already believe as such, and it may soon come to pass that state level Republicans are unwilling or unable to recognize any non-MAGA victory.

Fascism comes to power through legitimacy crises. The looming threat is here.

The Trump failed coup wasn't a total failure for the fascists. The events exposed Republicans in position of power that weren't willing to go along with it. The party will use the intervening time to purge such people from positions of power at the state and local level and replace them with MAGA faithful. The next coup attempt will not suffer from such infighting on the right.

Roger Ramjets 10th May 2021 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward (Post 13455555)
In sense they are right. The older culture in the US is white, and I do seek it's total destruction through such things as libertarianism and complete open borders. And they are correct that it would be quite painful for them.

So what is the problem?

The problem is they might take action to prevent it.

Unless - like me - you think that civil war is not a problem. I welcome the opportunity to hasten their total destruction by whatever methods are appropriate.

Lurch 10th May 2021 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13475741)
Not just an absurd constitutional law hypothetical anymore:



https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/0...mocratic-wins/

The Republican party is purging out any insufficiently devoted members to the MAGA cause. The next time around, a narrow (or not so narrow) Democratic candidate win may very well be rejected by Republicans as illegitimate. Republican voters already believe as such, and it may soon come to pass that state level Republicans are unwilling or unable to recognize any non-MAGA victory.

Fascism comes to power through legitimacy crises. The looming threat is here.

The Trump failed coup wasn't a total failure for the fascists. The events exposed Republicans in position of power that weren't willing to go along with it. The party will use the intervening time to purge such people from positions of power at the state and local level and replace them with MAGA faithful. The next coup attempt will not suffer from such infighting on the right.

These are the fears of mine which cause me to wonder why otherwise perspicacious people would be given to pooh-poohing the 'failed' insurrection and the 'settlement' of the 2020 election as evidence of the future inability of the MAGA cult to ever succeed. The GQP have had a dry run and have learned from it.

BobTheCoward 11th May 2021 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13475741)
Not just an absurd constitutional law hypothetical anymore:



https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/0...mocratic-wins/

The Republican party is purging out any insufficiently devoted members to the MAGA cause. The next time around, a narrow (or not so narrow) Democratic candidate win may very well be rejected by Republicans as illegitimate. Republican voters already believe as such, and it may soon come to pass that state level Republicans are unwilling or unable to recognize any non-MAGA victory.

Fascism comes to power through legitimacy crises. The looming threat is here.

The Trump failed coup wasn't a total failure for the fascists. The events exposed Republicans in position of power that weren't willing to go along with it. The party will use the intervening time to purge such people from positions of power at the state and local level and replace them with MAGA faithful. The next coup attempt will not suffer from such infighting on the right.

I don't understand that article because the constitution spells out the process pretty clearly...the vote goes to the house.

Minoosh 11th May 2021 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13454607)
s/us-politics/tucker-carlson-white-nationalist-vdare-b1830829.html[/url]You may also recall the chants of "you will not replace us" during the neo-nazi rally held in Charlottesville that ended in a terrorist attack perpetrated by a white nationalist.

Reported widely as "Jews will not replace us" - meaning, I think, that the "globalists" or the establishment want to get rid of white people, for some reason, and are importing people from other countries to do it.

Skeptic Ginger 11th May 2021 09:53 PM

My favorite Randy Rainbow yet. We need a Randy Rainbow thread but until then I'll put this here: Clang clang clang went Josh Hawley.

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I AGREE

Stacyhs 12th May 2021 01:39 AM

Oh, I do love me some Randy! Agreed...his best one yet. Poor Lindsey Graham must be so torn over loving yet hating Randy........

Delphic Oracle 16th May 2021 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13477501)
My favorite Randy Rainbow yet. We need a Randy Rainbow thread but until then I'll put this here: Clang clang clang went Josh Hawley.



YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE

Lady Oracle and I had a hoot.

Yes, instantly among the best.

SuburbanTurkey 18th May 2021 03:23 AM

In lighter news:

Quote:

A group of more than 100 retired generals and admirals who have accused President Joe Biden of being a communist have been pranked by a faux flag officer going by the nom de guerre “Rear Adm. Jack Meehoff.”

If you don’t get the joke, just say the name “Jack Meehoff” aloud. That’s right. You understand now.

Earlier this month, the group Flag Officers 4 America posted an open letter that repeated lies spread by former President Donald Trump and the elected leaders who support his claims that the FBI and Supreme Court ignored “election irregularities” in 2020.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/mili...-jack-meehoff/

Thank you for your service Rear Admiral Jack Meehoff.

Stacyhs 18th May 2021 04:37 PM

Quote:

A group of more than 100 retired generals and admirals who have accused President Joe Biden of being a communist...
Thanks goodness.

TheSupermeerkat 18th May 2021 04:44 PM

So how many retired Generals are Admirals are there at the moment?

Fizil 19th May 2021 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat (Post 13484467)
So how many retired Generals are Admirals are there at the moment?

An accurate count is hard to make, but I have seen estimates of roughly 5,000 living retired general officers in the US.

TheSupermeerkat 19th May 2021 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fizil (Post 13485117)
An accurate count is hard to make, but I have seen estimates of roughly 5,000 living retired general officers in the US.

About 2% then, which is irrelevant.

Skeptic Ginger 19th May 2021 09:13 AM

As far as the Jack-Meehoff name, has anyone verified how many other fake names are on that letter?

catsmate 20th May 2021 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat (Post 13485136)
About 2% then, which is irrelevant.

Given that Tom Kratman (Space Marine!) made LCOL before his services were dispensed with there seems likely to be a significant number of US military officers where are complete nutjobs.

SteveAitch 20th May 2021 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13486076)
Given that Tom Kratman (Space Marine!) made LCOL before his services were dispensed with there seems likely to be a significant number of US military officers where are complete nutjobs.

Don't all officers get a promotion just before retirement, so that they give them a bigger pension? I seem to remember reading that it was the usual procedure in the British army, and probably other services.

catsmate 21st May 2021 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveAitch (Post 13486215)
Don't all officers get a promotion just before retirement, so that they give them a bigger pension? I seem to remember reading that it was the usual procedure in the British army, and probably other services.

I don't know about the USA, certainly he didn't. Though there are distinct suggestions that they were glad to get rid of him.
Given the crap he's produced since then, that would not be surprising.

Armitage72 21st May 2021 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveAitch (Post 13486215)
Don't all officers get a promotion just before retirement, so that they give them a bigger pension? I seem to remember reading that it was the usual procedure in the British army, and probably other services.


In the Kelsey Grammer Navy comedy "Down Periscope", an Admiral was eager to earn an additional star in an upcoming military exercise before he retired, whether for greater benefits or just for prestige and bragging rights. When he failed the exercise, after arbitrarily changing the rules for his benefit, a higher ranked Admiral told him that he wouldn't be promoted before he retired. No guarantees as to the accuracy of that though.

Stacyhs 21st May 2021 01:02 PM

Not that I'm aware of . When my dad retired after 20 years as an AF pilot, they offered him a promotion if he would stay in but that meant likely going to Vietnam, so he said no. His co-pilot who was due to retire the next year said yes to the same offer and did get a promotion but when he did retire he didn't get another promotion.

ahhell 21st May 2021 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13487420)
Not that I'm aware of . When my dad retired after 20 years as an AF pilot, they offered him a promotion if he would stay in but that meant likely going to Vietnam, so he said no. His co-pilot who was due to retire the next year said yes to the same offer and did get a promotion but when he did retire he didn't get another promotion.

Funny, my dad was offered a promotion after twenty years but he would also have had to go to Vietnam. He was enlisted though.

I'm guessing the promotion just prior to retirement happens occasionally, especially if you're popular.


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