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ponderingturtle 15th July 2021 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13537550)
Agreed. Rioters and looters should be arrested and prosecuted. It was well established that the majority of the violence/looting was not done by BLM protesters but by gangs and opportunists. There's reason the rioting and looting happened almost exclusively after dark.

And old men need to be assaulted and have their skulls cracked by the police.

And it is always funny when the cops put out some reporters eye.

CORed 15th July 2021 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13528699)
His tiny hands and his "smaller than average with a huge mushroom head" manhood as Stormy put it. And she would know.

Well, given that Stormy was a porn star and the typical attributes of male porn stars, it occurs to me that Stormy's idea of average might be a tad skewed.

Stacyhs 15th July 2021 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CORed (Post 13538357)
Well, given that Stormy was a porn star and the typical attributes of male porn stars, it occurs to me that Stormy's idea of average might be a tad skewed.

Stormy was wrong. Trump is definitely the biggest dick in the world. The world has never seen a bigger dick than Trump. People are saying, Sir, you're the biggest dick in history and that's the truth.

wareyin 15th July 2021 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13538929)
Stormy was wrong. Trump is definitely the biggest dick in the world. The world has never seen a bigger dick than Trump. People are saying, Sir, you're the biggest dick in history and that's the truth.

:D:thumbsup:

Stacyhs 16th July 2021 03:39 PM

G.P. Bush Republican appointed judge in TX rules that the DACA program is illegal because Obama overstepped his authority and that it's Congress' power to create such laws. This stops any further applications from being accepted but keeps those already protected under DACA safe.

Republican, Texas....I'm shocked!

mgidm86 16th July 2021 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CORed (Post 13538357)
Well, given that Stormy was a porn star and the typical attributes of male porn stars, it occurs to me that Stormy's idea of average might be a tad skewed.


Never expected anyone to defend Trumps schlong here. Gonna have to take a screenshot and frame this one.

Delphic Oracle 16th July 2021 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13540164)
G.P. Bush Republican appointed judge in TX rules that the DACA program is illegal because Obama overstepped his authority and that it's Congress' power to create such laws. This stops any further applications from being accepted but keeps those already protected under DACA safe.

Republican, Texas....I'm shocked!

*headdesk*

8 U.S. Code § 1255

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(a)Status as person admitted for permanent residence on application and eligibility for immigrant visa

The status of an*alien*who was inspected and admitted or paroled into the*United States*or the status of any other*alien*having an approved petition for classification as a*VAWA self-petitioner*may be adjusted by the*Attorney General,*in his discretion and under such regulations as he may prescribe, to that of an*alien*lawfully admitted for permanent residence*if (1) the*alien*makes an application for such adjustment, (2) the*alien*is eligible to receive an*immigrant visa*and is admissible to the*United States*for*permanent*residence, and (3) an*immigrant visa*is immediately available to him at the time his application is filed.
Other variations exist with minor differences in variables.

Also in C.F.R. 8, 1245.11

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(a)*Eligibility.*An application on Form I-854, requesting that an alien witness or informant in S nonimmigrant classification be allowed to adjust status to that of lawful permanent resident, may only be filed by the federal or state law enforcement authority (“LEA”) (which shall include a federal or state court or a United States*Attorney's Office) that originally requested S classification for the alien. The completed application shall be filed with the Assistant*Attorney*General,*Criminal Division,*Department of Justice, who will forward only properly certified applications to the*Commissioner, Immigration and Naturalization*Service, for approval. Upon receipt of an approved Form I-854 allowing the S nonimmigrant to adjust status to that of lawful permanent resident, the alien may proceed to file with that Form, Form I-485, Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status, pursuant to the following process.
(1)*Request to allow S nonimmigrant to apply for adjustment of status to that of lawful permanent resident.*The LEA that requested S nonimmigrant classification for an S nonimmigrant witness or informant pursuant to section 101(a)(15)(S) of the*Act*may request that the principal S nonimmigrant be allowed to apply for adjustment of status by filing Form I-854 with the Assistant*Attorney*General,*Criminal Division, in accordance with the instructions on, or attached to, that form and certifying that the alien has fulfilled the terms of his or her admission and classification. The same Form I-854 may be used by the LEA to request that the principals nonimmigrant's spouse, married and unmarried sons and daughters, regardless of age, and parents who are in derivative S nonimmigrant classification and who are qualified family members as described in*paragraph (b)*of this section similarly be allowed to apply for adjustment of status pursuant to section 101(a)(15)(S) of the*Act.
(2)*Certification.*Upon receipt of an LEA's request for the adjustment of an alien in S nonimmigrant classification on Form I-854, the Assistant*Attorney*General,*Criminal Division, shall review...


Again, this one is specifically about informants, but I didn't want to crawl through 80 pages of sequences that all look almost identical to find the numerous examples that apply.

You get the idea.

The "DACA Program" amounts to a request by the president (via Executive Memorandum, not Executive Order, IIRC) to use that discretion as broadly as possible for unaccompanied minors.

Asylum claims must be processed and reviewed. While that process occurs, a person is considered temporarily admitted.

This is why they narrowed the places down where asylum could be claimed and wouldn't confirm any administrative judges to those posts. This is why they were ripping children from parents' arms and making them sign (not asylum request) documents in a language they couldn't read or they'd never see their kids again. They got them to claim some other kind of procedure to prevent the A.G. discretion from being an option.

Because the (properly passed by Congress) law is clear this is totally legal.

Why doesn't this judge know these laws exist?

Stacyhs 16th July 2021 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle (Post 13540233)
*headdesk*

8 U.S. Code § 1255



Other variations exist with minor differences in variables.

Also in C.F.R. 8, 1245.11



Again, this one is specifically about informants, but I didn't want to crawl through 80 pages of sequences that all look almost identical to find the numerous examples that apply.

You get the idea.

The "DACA Program" amounts to a request by the president (via Executive Memorandum, not Executive Order, IIRC) to use that discretion as broadly as possible for unaccompanied minors.

Asylum claims must be processed and reviewed. While that process occurs, a person is considered temporarily admitted.

This is why they narrowed the places down where asylum could be claimed and wouldn't confirm any administrative judges to those posts. This is why they were ripping children from parents' arms and making them sign (not asylum request) documents in a language they couldn't read or they'd never see their kids again. They got them to claim some other kind of procedure to prevent the A.G. discretion from being an option.

Because the (properly passed by Congress) law is clear this is totally legal.

Why doesn't this judge know these laws exist?

I fully expect this ruling to be appealed and tossed.

The Great Zaganza 16th July 2021 09:52 PM

If your theory of the limits of Presidential Power depends on the Party of the President, it's not much of a theory.

SuburbanTurkey 28th July 2021 05:51 AM

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The intellectual right contemplates an 'American Caesar'
Jan. 6 was a badly planned rehearsal for the real deal

How does ideological change happen? Why do certain political ideas and possibilities that appear outrageous and even unthinkable at one moment in history come to be considered options worth taking seriously? What causes the Overton window to shift dramatically in one direction or another?
https://theweek.com/politics/1003035...merican-caesar

A look into how the overton window has shifted so far to the right in this country that seemingly respectable people are openly musing about instating a fascist dictator.

The example given here is a podcast from the previously "mainstream conservative" Claremont Institute discussing how a right wing dictator should openly campaign on the promise to use national emergency powers to mobilize the military domestically and seize power.

SuburbanTurkey 29th July 2021 04:47 AM

Covid is only real if it can be used to justify a policy of ethnic intimidation.

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The latest from Texas: The governor is now ordering state troopers to stop any vehicle suspected of transporting migrant "who pose a risk of carrying COVID-19" and send them back or impound the vehicle.
https://twitter.com/keribla/status/1420489460056211469

Trying to figure out how Texas cops are supposed to figure out passing vehicles contain migrants in a way that isn't plainly based on racial profiling.

autumn1971 29th July 2021 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13552169)
Covid is only real if it can be used to justify a policy of ethnic intimidation.



https://twitter.com/keribla/status/1420489460056211469

Trying to figure out how Texas cops are supposed to figure out passing vehicles contain migrants in a way that isn't plainly based on racial profiling.

Paint swatches?

Belz... 29th July 2021 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by autumn1971 (Post 13552303)
Paint swatches?

Ala Family Guy.

Norman Alexander 29th July 2021 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13552169)
Covid is only real if it can be used to justify a policy of ethnic intimidation.



https://twitter.com/keribla/status/1420489460056211469

Trying to figure out how Texas cops are supposed to figure out passing vehicles contain migrants in a way that isn't plainly based on racial profiling.

Considering the immigrants have a far lower incidence of COVID than Texans, perhaps it should be they who are worried about catching it from the cops who pull them over.

Also, yeah, the paint swatches are going to catch a LOT of legal native American residents. This will be fun to see the outcome when half of Texas fetches up being deported to Mexico. ;)

Stacyhs 29th July 2021 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13552169)
Covid is only real if it can be used to justify a policy of ethnic intimidation.



https://twitter.com/keribla/status/1420489460056211469

Trying to figure out how Texas cops are supposed to figure out passing vehicles contain migrants in a way that isn't plainly based on racial profiling.

This is just more crap from the GOP Texans who want to shift blame for the rise in Covid cases from the unvaccinated to immigrants. You know, the ones who are bringing all the Trump claimed crime and diseases .

SuburbanTurkey 30th July 2021 04:17 AM

Trump supporters going door to door in Pennsylvania demanding to know which candidate voters backed

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Donald Trump supporters calling themselves an "election integrity committee" are going door to door in Pennsylvania and demanding to know whom residents voted for in the November election.

York County president commissioner Julie Wheeler, a Republican, said she received numerous calls about alleged voter intimidation by members of the so-called committee, and has referred the matter to law enforcement, the York Dispatch reported Thursday. Wheeler added that the committee has no affiliation with county government.
https://www.rawstory.com/york-county-trump/

Sounds like a great way to catch a beating or get shot. These fascists are going to mess with the wrong person eventually if they keep this up.

Norman Alexander 30th July 2021 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13553242)
Trump supporters going door to door in Pennsylvania demanding to know which candidate voters backed



https://www.rawstory.com/york-county-trump/

Sounds like a great way to catch a beating or get shot. These fascists are going to mess with the wrong person eventually if they keep this up.

They would probably welcome this. Sacrifice one of their own to get a "Dems beat and shoot patriots!" headline.

SuburbanTurkey 30th July 2021 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13553245)
They would probably welcome this. Sacrifice one of their own to get a "Dems beat and shoot patriots!" headline.

I welcome it too. It's nice there's something that we can all agree on in these increasingly troubled times.

"Dems beat and shoot patriots" would place Democrats in danger of sounding cool, which is distressing to me.

Norman Alexander 30th July 2021 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13553246)
I welcome it too. It's nice there's something that we can all agree on in these increasingly troubled times.

"Dems beat and shoot patriots" would place Democrats in danger of sounding cool, which is distressing to me.

I think a better tactic is the "Grandma Trap". Basically, invite them in for a cup of coffer, some cookies and a nice looooooooooong chat. A couple of hours or more, perhaps most of the day. Then they get to visit maybe one or two places in a day, not even a whole street in a week.

They will give up after two days. ;)

kookbreaker 30th July 2021 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13553242)
Trump supporters going door to door in Pennsylvania demanding to know which candidate voters backed



https://www.rawstory.com/york-county-trump/

Sounds like a great way to catch a beating or get shot. These fascists are going to mess with the wrong person eventually if they keep this up.

Fetterman was right when he called these guys the dimmer bulbs.

catsmate 30th July 2021 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13553242)
Trump supporters going door to door in Pennsylvania demanding to know which candidate voters backed



https://www.rawstory.com/york-county-trump/

Sounds like a great way to catch a beating or get shot. These fascists are going to mess with the wrong person eventually if they keep this up.

How's Pennsylvania when it comes to shooting trespassers on sight?

SuburbanTurkey 30th July 2021 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13553343)
How's Pennsylvania when it comes to shooting trespassers on sight?

International law of SS&S applies in all rural areas.

Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up

Armitage72 30th July 2021 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13553119)
This is just more crap from the GOP Texans who want to shift blame for the rise in Covid cases from the unvaccinated to immigrants. You know, the ones who are bringing all the Trump claimed crime and diseases .


Everything old is new again.
Back when the surge in pesticide-resistant bedbugs started happening in the early 2000s, I saw people blaming it on "filthy illegal immigrants" bringing them into the country.

SuburbanTurkey 5th August 2021 04:45 AM

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Stephen Miller got a standing ovation from young conservatives
@yaf
who agree w/ him that immigration is a mortal threat to USA. He told them legal immigration is as bad as illegal, & bragged re: ruining refugee lives. This is the future of the Republican Party.
https://twitter.com/jeanguerre/statu...87461626904576

Stacyhs 5th August 2021 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13560151)

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Stephen Miller got a standing ovation from young conservatives
@yaf
who agree w/ him that immigration is a mortal threat to USA. He told them legal immigration is as bad as illegal, & bragged re: ruining refugee lives. This is the future of the Republican Party.
https://twitter.com/jeanguerre/statu...87461626904576

I disagree with the highlighted statement. It's not the future of the GOP. It's the present.

SuburbanTurkey 5th August 2021 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13560969)
I disagree with the highlighted statement. It's not the future of the GOP. It's the present.

I think that's a reference to the fact this is college Republicans. It's the present, but young conservatives seem to be all-aboard for white nationalism.

Norman Alexander 5th August 2021 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13561008)
I think that's a reference to the fact this is college Republicans. It's the present, but young conservatives seem to be all-aboard for white nationalism.

Wonder when they are going to expel all the brown Latino conservatives who voted for Trump. And then go for all those of the Arabic and Hebrew persuasion...children of immigrants who look a lot like Miller, in fact.

Stacyhs 6th August 2021 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13561008)
I think that's a reference to the fact this is college Republicans. It's the present, but young conservatives seem to be all-aboard for white nationalism.

So how is that different from so many older conservatives now?

SuburbanTurkey 6th August 2021 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13561595)
So how is that different from so many older conservatives now?

It's different because these ghouls will still be around in 30 years.

Stacyhs 6th August 2021 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13561794)
It's different because these ghouls will still be around in 30 years.

It doesn't make them different, just younger. They've always been around.

SuburbanTurkey 9th August 2021 05:51 AM

Fascists are still holding street rallies on the West Coast. Here's a picture of an armed fascist pointing a rifle at an unarmed member of the press (Justin Yau, Willamette Weekly) while on the phone requesting aid from police. Despite the man fleeing to a local police station, he was not placed under arrest. Curious that fascists can terrorize the streets of Portland immediately outside a federal building without police interference, when last summer protecting a federal building was the justification given for a wide variety of aggressive riot police tactics.

https://twitter.com/SmileItsNathan/s...45955207368707


One of the fascists attending this violent rally is currently awaiting trial for participating in the Jan6 attack.

https://twitter.com/8RUNCH/status/1424164498131152901


Police continue to take a hands-off approach to right wing political violence. Nothing has changed.

ETA: Fascists fight openly with antifascists in the street without any interference from nearby police. They also randomly terrorize uninvolved bystanders. For example, a fascist painted a rifle at then shot a man in the face with a pepperball while he was on the phone with his mother, speaking in Farsi, concerning his car which was stolen while parked on the street.

https://twitter.com/MrOlmos/status/1424134202459496451

Fascists live streamed themselves hurling homophobic slurs before mob beating a bystander.

https://twitter.com/BehindEnemaLies/...57265108983812

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This video is fascinating. One woman at the religious gathering today confronts Tiny and other Proud Boy types for assaulting people. He claims if they weren't there "antifa" would attack the event (which happened last year without incident). She clearly finds this ridiculous.

But you see in this their new strategy and the messaging they want to bring with it. Proud Boys and their ilk are embedding with existing conservative gatherings to start fights and characterize it as "protecting" conservatives from antifa.
https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1424612447155937294

Fascists attaching themselves to "mainstream" conservative events as a pretext for violent street rallies.

SuburbanTurkey 13th August 2021 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13564278)
Fascists are still holding street rallies on the West Coast. Here's a picture of an armed fascist pointing a rifle at an unarmed member of the press (Justin Yau, Willamette Weekly) while on the phone requesting aid from police. Despite the man fleeing to a local police station, he was not placed under arrest. Curious that fascists can terrorize the streets of Portland immediately outside a federal building without police interference, when last summer protecting a federal building was the justification given for a wide variety of aggressive riot police tactics.

https://twitter.com/SmileItsNathan/s...45955207368707


Once again, Portland Police only act against overt law breaking by fascists when shamed by the public after the fact.

The man seen pointing a realistic looking airsoft AR-15 rifle at several people in the streets and being allowed to walk free by the police has since been charged with 3 counts of menacing and 1 count of disorderly conduct, an extremely generous interpretation of the criminal conduct. The replica weapon and his other equipment were seized at this arrest, because none of this was taken from him by any of the many cops at the scene.

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Portland Police let Mark Lee go after he pointed his weapon at multiple people. They arrested him later for menacing (3 counts) & disorderly. Police make it sound like they lacked Police for arrest. There were atleast a half dozen cops just chillin.
https://twitter.com/Johnnthelefty/st...82794237288448

PPB must have been very embarrassed that they were forced to arrest one of their fascist allies. I hope they understand it wasn't personal /s.

PhantomWolf 13th August 2021 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13568746)
Once again, Portland Police only act against overt law breaking by fascists when shamed by the public after the fact.

The man seen pointing a realistic looking airsoft AR-15 rifle at several people in the streets and being allowed to walk free by the police has since been charged with 3 counts of menacing and 1 count of disorderly conduct, an extremely generous interpretation of the criminal conduct. The replica weapon and his other equipment were seized at this arrest, because none of this was taken from him by any of the many cops at the scene.



https://twitter.com/Johnnthelefty/st...82794237288448

PPB must have been very embarrassed that they were forced to arrest one of their fascist allies. I hope they understand it wasn't personal /s.

This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If you wait till after the rally and get him when he's alone, then people complain that something wasn't done immediately but had they rushed in and it had turned into a riot, they'd have been accused of provoking the crowd and starting a riot.

Delphic Oracle 13th August 2021 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf (Post 13569110)
This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If you wait till after the rally and get him when he's alone, then people complain that something wasn't done immediately but had they rushed in and it had turned into a riot, they'd have been accused of provoking the crowd and starting a riot.

Well, it is also a lack of consistency issue.

White conservatives can literally shoot multiple people, walk past police to leave, and be arrested later after public outrage is expressed.

A black person stepping off the curb for 5 seconds during an otherwise peaceful march means a whole team of officers come forward, blast pepper spray into the crowd at point blank range and seize the clearly dangerous individual immediately.

PhantomWolf 13th August 2021 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle (Post 13569121)
Well, it is also a lack of consistency issue.

White conservatives can literally shoot multiple people, walk past police to leave, and be arrested later after public outrage is expressed.

A black person stepping off the curb for 5 seconds during an otherwise peaceful march means a whole team of officers come forward, blast pepper spray into the crowd at point blank range and seize the clearly dangerous individual immediately.

Well, it'd be nice to believe that it's because they learned not to do that after last year, but... yeah... The blatant hypocrisy on that one is well and truly out for all to see.

SuburbanTurkey 13th August 2021 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf (Post 13569110)
This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If you wait till after the rally and get him when he's alone, then people complain that something wasn't done immediately but had they rushed in and it had turned into a riot, they'd have been accused of provoking the crowd and starting a riot.

He surrendered himself to the cops at the time, who let him go. Apparently brandishing a replica firearm was not something that thought merited intervention.

jnelso99 13th August 2021 10:37 AM

Why would they intervene? It's not like he's a black guy in a toy store or a black kid in a park.

SuburbanTurkey 13th August 2021 11:28 AM

Seems to be plans by out of town fascists to hold another big rally in Portland August 22nd. It's the one year anniversary of the huge fascist rally that was so violent and chaotic that PPB was finally forced to act, arresting Alan Swinney for a variety of backlogged violent felonies.

No reason to believe this will happen any differently. Out of town agitators are engaging in yet another criminal conspiracy to hold a violent riot in the city and Portland Police will see no problem with this as it unfolds in the street. If antifascists don't show up, these fascists will likely take to the streets to target anyone they deem an enemy.

SuburbanTurkey 17th August 2021 04:56 AM

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Proud Boys stick to their formula in L.A.: Latch on to local right-wing causes, then bring violence

Once again following their post-insurrection strategy of attaching themselves to local right-wing causes—ranging from “critical race theory” to abortion to COVID-19 pandemic restrictions—a group of Proud Boys showed up at an anti-masking/anti-vaccination protest in downtown Los Angeles and assaulted counterprotesters and journalists at the scene. One man was hospitalized after being stabbed by a masked Proud Boy multiple times.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...bring-violence

LA, Oregon, Salem, and Portland seem the most likely venues for these fascist rallies, given the proven track record of enabling local cops in this cities.

Norman Alexander 17th August 2021 05:54 PM

Battle them differently. Get creative!

Start some sort of charity drive where donations are based on how far they march, or how many of them avoid arrest, etc.

Some Germans show you how.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...00-for-charity


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