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CapelDodger 14th October 2019 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12854298)
Unless you can dig up some dirt on the Bidens in the immediate future. Given Trump can't tell fact from fiction these days, I'm sure the remaining toadies are concocting a whole lot of fairy tales like this to stay on Jabba's good side.

I expect to see them chasing red herrings of their own devising just so they look busy when the boss walks by.

(The term "red herring" is really dated, and should perhaps be replaced. I suggest "DNC server" as a more contemporary alternative.)

Craig4 14th October 2019 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken (Post 12854241)
I have to wonder why there are still those loyal to Trump. He has a history of throwing everyone under the bus. Loyalty is only one-way with Trump.

I imagine that there is a certain arrogance in some of them that causes them to think they are the one plaything the petulant toddler won't tire of.

Norman Alexander 14th October 2019 11:30 PM

My betting is firming on Giuliani.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...chment-inquiry
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Trump-Ukraine: John Bolton 'sounded alarm about Giuliani's actions'

Fiona Hill testifies that Bolton called Giuliani a ‘hand grenade’
Hill says Bolton likened lawyer’s operation to a ‘drug deal’

d4m10n 15th October 2019 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12856052)
My betting is firming on Giuliani.

He doesn't work at the White House ;)

a_unique_person 15th October 2019 04:35 AM

:) OK, he does political work for Trump who lives in the White House.

The Great Zaganza 15th October 2019 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12856222)
He doesn't work at the White House ;)

According to Rudi, he works for the State Department, ... and Trump, ... and the White House, ... and the Justice League.

Craig4 15th October 2019 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 12856241)
:) OK, he does political work for Trump who lives in the White House.

I suspect Rudy has met with Trump in the Whitehouse more than Ben Carson has.

Trebuchet 15th October 2019 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12856911)
I suspect Rudy has met with Trump in the Whitehouse more than Ben Carson has.

But does he have a picture on his wall of himself with Jesus?

Norman Alexander 15th October 2019 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12856222)
He doesn't work at the White House ;)

To be fair, none of them do.

dudalb 16th October 2019 01:43 PM

WAPO reports that Mulvaney was the lead person on Trump's Ukraine policy.
Given his already weakened standing with the White House staff and GOP leaders in general, I think he might be tied with Rudy on the 'most likely to be next to go under the bus" list.

Norman Alexander 16th October 2019 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12858080)
WAPO reports that Mulvaney was the lead person on Trump's Ukraine policy.
Given his already weakened standing with the White House staff and GOP leaders in general, I think he might be tied with Rudy on the 'most likely to be next to go under the bus" list.

They could be a pair going sub-omnibus. Would that be a first?

Trebuchet 16th October 2019 08:33 PM

How many degrees of separation are we allowed? How about Rudy's now-ex attorney?

Norman Alexander 16th October 2019 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12858391)
How many degrees of separation are we allowed? How about Rudy's now-ex attorney?

Given The Mooch lasted only 10 days, did this guy last longer than that?

Foolmewunz 17th October 2019 12:41 AM

Speaking of ex-attorneys,... how long will Gowdy last if he actually falls back on any actual "legal" advice instead of sucking up and saying "No, no, you're right Don Donaldo, you can do anything you want because you're the president."

Doubt 17th October 2019 05:19 AM

Rudy: You wanted to see me Mr. President?

Donald: Yes Rudy. No, don't sit down. This won't take long.

Rudy: What is it, Mr. President?

Donald: These two gentlemen need a guide to the nearest bus stop. I'd like you to show it to them.

Rudy: They seem like they could find it themselves.

Donald: I really want you to show it to them. Up Close. Wait with them till the bus shows up.

Rudy: Okay. I will be right back after they are on the bus. Straight back to your office.

Donald: No, that won't be necessary at all.

Rudy: Then I will call you next week.

Donald: Sure Rudy. Next week. Everything will be fine after you meet the bus.......

d4m10n 17th October 2019 02:06 PM

Dept. of I-forget-the-other-one seeking new leadership, for real this time.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1184936650092302348

dudalb 17th October 2019 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12859334)
Dept. of I-forget-the-other-one seeking new leadership, for real this time.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1184936650092302348

And Perry is no doubt lawyering up as we speak.

Craig4 17th October 2019 05:20 PM

And Mulvaney is ******. That is unless today was an effort to **** Trump on the way out the door. The disgusting little Leprechaun bastard wouldn't be the first to have their way with Trump on while trying to keep the screen door from hitting them in the ass.

dudalb 17th October 2019 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12859558)
And Mulvaney is ******. That is unless today was an effort to **** Trump on the way out the door. The disgusting little Leprechaun bastard wouldn't be the first to have their way with Trump on while trying to keep the screen door from hitting them in the ass.


Mulvaney just tried to walk back his admission on the Ukraine "I deny saying what I just said on Camera in front of God and everybody".
It is to make one laugh, really.
Flash. One of Trump's real lawyers...not TV Lawyer Rudy just said that Mulvaney did not clear his intial statement with the White House legal staff.
Read what you will into that.

acbytesla 17th October 2019 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12859441)
And Perry is no doubt lawyering up as we speak.

Perry leaving is really bizarre. Rumor has it that he was going to step down next year any way and work in the private sector. Whic probably means some oil companies will pay him for the policies he implemented at the DOE. You know, give him a huge consulting contract where he basically gets sent a big check every month.

The question is what was his involvement.

Foolmewunz 17th October 2019 06:50 PM

Mick was perched on the ledge before this fiasco. Ya gotta figure he may not make it through the weekend. Donnie wanted to blame him for the admin staff being so ill-prepared for the impeachment hearings. Now he's learning that hiring people on the basis of "But do they stick up for me?" may not be the best criteria, particularly when "sticking up for Trump" means you open your big mouth when you should've just shut up.

The problem is that these miscreants actually believe the crap they tell each other and that Donnie Johnny's motives are pure and patriotic so they just repeat his misdeed in the assurance that the deplorables just won't care.

Who's on tap to be the next "acting" CoS? Can I still root for Devin? Gotta get his sorry ass-kissing in there to make Trump's suicide drive complete.

Norman Alexander 17th October 2019 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz (Post 12859631)
Mick was perched on the ledge before this fiasco. Ya gotta figure he may not make it through the weekend. Donnie wanted to blame him for the admin staff being so ill-prepared for the impeachment hearings. Now he's learning that hiring people on the basis of "But do they stick up for me?" may not be the best criteria, particularly when "sticking up for Trump" means you open your big mouth when you should've just shut up.

The problem is that these miscreants actually believe the crap they tell each other and that Donnie Johnny's motives are pure and patriotic so they just repeat his misdeed in the assurance that the deplorables just won't care.

Who's on tap to be the next "acting" CoS? Can I still root for Devin? Gotta get his sorry ass-kissing in there to make Trump's suicide drive complete.

There is no Chief-of-Staff these days. Anyone in the position is going to be simply a seat-warmer, sycophant and sideshow. Really, it's a great job for loafer who wants to be paid the big bucks to do nothing at all constructive, watch Trump **** things up all by himself, and cheer him on. Maybe Hannity should apply...

Trump has always liked to run his own show, in person, alone. In business, you can probably get away with that...it's a management style, I suppose. But this scatter-gun "You're fired!" mentality designed to "keep your people on their toes" is really reaping its dividends in government now. Government ain't a business. It doesn't work like that. Of course, everyone but Donny knew that going in... Didn't they! ;)

dudalb 18th October 2019 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by acbytesla (Post 12859596)
Perry leaving is really bizarre. Rumor has it that he was going to step down next year any way and work in the private sector. Whic probably means some oil companies will pay him for the policies he implemented at the DOE. You know, give him a huge consulting contract where he basically gets sent a big check every month.

The question is what was his involvement.

A lot of that big check will probably go for legal expenses. he is going to probably need the kind of Lawyer who can ask to be billed 500 bucks an hour and get it.

dudalb 18th October 2019 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12859722)
There is no Chief-of-Staff these days. Anyone in the position is going to be simply a seat-warmer, sycophant and sideshow. Really, it's a great job for loafer who wants to be paid the big bucks to do nothing at all constructive, watch Trump **** things up all by himself, and cheer him on. Maybe Hannity should apply...

Trump has always liked to run his own show, in person, alone. In business, you can probably get away with that...it's a management style, I suppose. But this scatter-gun "You're fired!" mentality designed to "keep your people on their toes" is really reaping its dividends in government now. Government ain't a business. It doesn't work like that. Of course, everyone but Donny knew that going in... Didn't they! ;)

Problem is any CEO in charge of a large company needs a Chief of Staff or his equivalent just for gatekeeping purposes...he can't waste his time running his office staff. You can't really get away with that in a large business either.
But then who said Donnie was a good CEO.
What he does flies in the face of what any good business/government management school teaches.The techniques of running a large organization are pretty much the same.

dudalb 18th October 2019 04:32 PM

Don't know how much there is to this, but there is some speculation that Trump is giving serious consideration to dropping Pence from the ticket.
Reason: Only reason Donnie picked him was to get the evangelical vote, and Trump feels that the evangelicals are now tied in so closely to him that he can do without Pence, and he want a running mate who will help him with his weakest spot, which is the female vote.I
I don't know if anybody can help Trump in that regard..too much damage has been done...but the above does seem to be the way that Donnie's mind often works.

Babbylonian 18th October 2019 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12860841)
Don't know how much there is to this, but there is some speculation that Trump is giving serious consideration to dropping Pence from the ticket.
Reason: Only reason Donnie picked him was to get the evangelical vote, and Trump feels that the evangelicals are now tied in so closely to him that he can do without Pence, and he want a running mate who will help him with his weakest spot, which is the female vote.I
I don't know if anybody can help Trump in that regard..too much damage has been done...but the above does seem to be the way that Donnie's mind often works.

It would sure be nice if he could drive Pence to resign. I'd feel that much better about impeachment...and I already want that worse than anything.

dudalb 18th October 2019 04:38 PM

I do not like Pence at all, but at least he might have a little spark of decency whereas Trump does not. At this point I am willing to roll the dice on that.
Damn, I wish I could remember the Latin for that that Pelosi used a couple of weeks ago.

Babbylonian 18th October 2019 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12860850)
I do not like Pence at all, but at least he might have a little spark of decency whereas Trump does not. At this point I am willing to roll the dice on that.

Every chance he's had to show his supposed decency, he's gone right to bat for Trump. Even if I shared his fundamental[list] ideology, he'd remain unacceptable to me.

Trebuchet 18th October 2019 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12860850)
I do not like Pence at all, but at least he might have a little spark of decency whereas Trump does not. At this point I am willing to roll the dice on that.
Damn, I wish I could remember the Latin for that that Pelosi used a couple of weeks ago.

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 12860858)
Every chance he's had to show his supposed decency, he's gone right to bat for Trump. Even if I shared his fundamental[list] ideology, he'd remain unacceptable to me.

Today's "Christian" fundamentalism is based entirely on hate. I'd be quite happy to see Pence removed before Trump, like Agnew before Nixon.

The Great Zaganza 18th October 2019 06:08 PM

From looking at his record, there is no reason to assume Pence would be more competent than Trump as President - he just can get bullied into not doing very much.
The ideal VP for Trump is someone who will give him, personally, lots of money.

kellyb 18th October 2019 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12860850)
I do not like Pence at all, but at least he might have a little spark of decency whereas Trump does not. At this point I am willing to roll the dice on that.
Damn, I wish I could remember the Latin for that that Pelosi used a couple of weeks ago.

At least it's an ethos!

The Latin you're looking for is Alea iacta est.

Craig4 18th October 2019 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by acbytesla (Post 12859596)
Perry leaving is really bizarre. Rumor has it that he was going to step down next year any way and work in the private sector. Whic probably means some oil companies will pay him for the policies he implemented at the DOE. You know, give him a huge consulting contract where he basically gets sent a big check every month.

The question is what was his involvement.

Lately, resigning means you're planning to testify.

quadraginta 19th October 2019 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12860782)
A lot of that big check will probably go for legal expenses. he is going to probably need the kind of Lawyer who can ask to be billed 500 bucks an hour and get it.


I hear that Giuliani works cheap.

quadraginta 19th October 2019 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12860841)
Don't know how much there is to this, but there is some speculation that Trump is giving serious consideration to dropping Pence from the ticket.
Reason: Only reason Donnie picked him was to get the evangelical vote, and Trump feels that the evangelicals are now tied in so closely to him that he can do without Pence, and he want a running mate who will help him with his weakest spot, which is the female vote.I
I don't know if anybody can help Trump in that regard..too much damage has been done...but the above does seem to be the way that Donnie's mind often works.


Sarah Palin is probably available

Trebuchet 19th October 2019 03:16 PM

I'm kind of confused. I thought I heard a couple of weeks ago that Rick Perry was leaving?

acbytesla 19th October 2019 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12861683)
I'm kind of confused. I thought I heard a couple of weeks ago that Rick Perry was leaving?

Perry announced he was leaving yesterday. Trump tweeted a thank you for your service today.

d4m10n 19th October 2019 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12861683)
I'm kind of confused. I thought I heard a couple of weeks ago that Rick Perry was leaving?

Yeah, but those were just (accurate) leaks. It took a bit to put together the goodbye video.

Minoosh 20th October 2019 03:35 PM

So who's going to fire Mulvaney? Pence?

Norman Alexander 20th October 2019 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12860784)
What he does flies in the face of what any good business/government management school teaches. The techniques of running a large organization are pretty much the same.

No, they're not, actually. But they share one thing in common: The CEO and "the board" need to know what the business is in the business of doing. Why does the organisation even exist. And hopefully, how does this organisation do what it does better.

In short (in management school speak): Mission statement, and business practices.

In a private business, Donny's "mission statement" was pretty clearly "Make me as rich as possible the easiest way possible by any means possible while hanging about looking cool with good-looking women in flashy cars with gold stuff everywhere". And his business practices were "Screw everyone else, I'm all right and **** you if you get in trouble". And to be frank, if that's what he wanted then fine. Let him knock himself out trying that...with his own private business.

But that's nothing what government is about. And that's not how government works. But I'm sure I don't have to explain that at all.

Donny's problem is he has brought his private business practices into government administration. And within 3 years, here we are...

d4m10n 20th October 2019 06:18 PM

"...aides and allies started to contemplate the length of Mulvaney’s tenure in the West Wing."

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...e-house-052708


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