Roll a d6:
1. butbutblackman!!
2. lol triggurd libs
3. but he closed border to Chinese people to **** out yellow virus!!
4. yes, but technically...
5. where were you when Crooked Hillary... (reverse whataboutism)
6. but it's a Democrat hoax!!

Donald and Dunning-Kruger:
https://www.salon.com/2020/04/02/our...illing-people/

The latest from Dr. Lee:
https://www.salon.com/2020/04/02/yal...e-coronavirus/
https://worldmhc.org/prescription-for-survival/

Of course everything can be argued in many ways, but I wonder, if one considers Trump's incompetence and cluelessness to have contributed to the high death rate in this country, how long the "yeah he's a clown but he's not dangerous" argument will keep flying.

Trump as toddler:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...63d_story.html

Who's making that argument? His belligerent ignorance, his contempt for the ordinary processes of government, his incitement of racism, his corruption and more made him dangerous from the day he was elected. We've just been lucky that a catastrophe didn't happen earlier. But it's here now, and we're all going to suffer deeply.

Interesting comparing him with the previous GOP president, who was ddeply wrong on many levels, but at least got some things right:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/geor...-prepare/story

I miss the president who would hand out nicknames like Guru (C. Rice), Ali (B.Boxer), and Hogan (J. McCain). Now we have a president who calls people Liddle’ Adam Schiff, Sleepy Joe Biden, and Lyon’ Ted Cruz.(OK, that last one isn’t too bad).

Some may remember the old Twilight Zone episode where a 7-year-old Billy Mumy had vast mental powers such as the ability to read minds and the ability to somewhat alter reality with his mind (he could wish someone dead). I shudder to think what the world-wide death toll would be if President Trump could kill people with his mind if he was upset.

It certainly was never my argument, and I agree that he's been dangerous from the start. An armed bomb does not become dangerous only after it's exploded. But I think supporters of Trump or of his policies have made that argument. If the prestige has changed his mind, I haven't seen it here.

His mind wouldn't scare me so much. Now, if he could kill with his ego . . .

I put this is the Trump Presidency thread but it seemed appropriate here, too, because the psychiatrist is Bandy Lee.

Psychiatrist: Trump Supporters Think Like Five Year Olds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qACQ7PqrXqE

ETA: link corrected

I don’t see what you are referring to at that FB link, but it’s always a sign of professionalism when the insults start flying, huh?

Sorry... this is the correct link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qACQ7PqrXqE

Maybe you should wait until you actually see what she says before commenting.

That doesn’t change anything at all. She is “psychoanalyzing” Trump followers and concluding on very limited evidence and without actually, you know, talking to any of them, that they display primitive moral reasoning that the “rest of us” grow out of by age 5.

Sounds fancy but it’s an insult. She is stereotyping. Kind of like “black people are scary; Jews are money hungry; Mexicans are lazy.” “Trump supporters are as immature as 4 year olds.”

Real professional there, Dr. Lee. She lowers the integrity of the medical profession every time she speaks.

That's funny...and wrong. What she said isn't stereotyping, it's based on Kohlberg's The Stages of Moral Development:

https://www.rcgates.com/psyc/c13_add.html

You can dress it up in whatever academic ******** you like. She is still stereotyping a whole group of people based on nothing but her own biases. I doubt she’s ever actually met a Trump supporter, much less done assessments on them. She merely judges them from afar and insults them. I guess that’s what you want from medical professionals.

Ah..."the best defense is a good offense tactic". Excellent. I show that what Dr Lee said is based on accepted academic study and you call it "academic ********".
Speaking of biases, you might want to look at your own since you've been going after Dr. Lee and her colleagues since the beginning of the thread. You've been harping on the Goldwater Rule as if mental health professionals can't recognize a malignant narcissist unless they've met them in person.

Are you saying that Dr. Lee has administered the Moral Judgement Interview to enough Trump supporters to make a professional judgement about all of them? If not, then I don't see how Kohlberg's scale is relevant. So yeah, if she is inappropriately using Kohlberg's model, then it's academic and psuedoprofessional ********.
I fully admit to a bias against medical professionals who act unethically and outside the standards of their profession. You caught me.

Wait....I thought it was '"academic ********" but now you want to use the Moral Judgment Interview from the very same source?

Heheheheh....yeah....we've had pages and pages of that self-righteous stance. But, in the immortal words of Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. Toodles!

Well sure...if she is actually using Kohlberg’a theories as the basis of her statement, then I would expect her to have actually, you know, used the tool on a sampling of Trump supporters. Otherwise, it’s academic BS; more remote assessment of people she’s never met.

To delve a little deeper, the majority of the audience for her statement has never heard of Kohlberg and his theories about moral judgement. I’d wager you’d never heard of it until blutoski brought it up in another thread. I think you are using Kohlberg as window dressing to make her statement seem more serious. I call BS on that: she is stereotyping a group of people based on her biases -plain and simple. If you understood anything about Kohlberg’s theories, you would understand what a misapplication it is to use it in the way that you assert she did.
To quote a popular song from a few years later...”I’ve heard that song before.”

An interview with another shrink:
https://www.salon.com/2020/04/09/dr-...-be-in-prison/

“Another shrink,” turns out to be one of the same ol’ shrinks who make the rounds. It would be something if a new voice popped out of the woodwork.

Really? That there are the voices there are causes you no impulse to consider that there may be reason for concern?

How many such voices would you require? Would more folk raising alarums result in your resetting your expectations for yet more?

Consider for a moment those 1000 prosecutors who signed a letter stating that they considered evidence against Trump sufficient to warrant indictment. After the impeachment saga result, it's clear Republicans will not let such competent opinion sway them.

If but a fraction of what is written and said by *professionals* on Trump would have been directed at Obama, how would your tune have sounded? We can be sure Republicans and their supporters would have collectively screeched and howled.

And it's getting to be a moot point.

The OP in this thread was claiming out that Trump has a mental condition would lead him to act in a way that's dangerous.

His response to COVID-19 has certainly demonstrated some really bizarre behaviour and also some actions that have made the situation worse, which will lead to the needlessly avoidable deaths of thousands of Americans.

Without his bizarre behaviour, it might be difficult to claim he wasn't just utterly callous. With it, the simplest explanation is some form of mental illness. I'm going for some type of dementia, on top of almost textbook NPD.

It doesn't take much. One Republican showed up at a pizza parlour with a firearm because 'some anonymous guy on the internet' said there was a pedophile dungeon in the basement.

How can anyone watch one of Dear Leader's press conferences without concluding that he is truly insane? Right now -- at an event intended to provide the latest information about the pandemic that's killing thousands of Americans -- he's ranting about states that wanna take your guns, how he saved us from nuclear war with North Korea, how his good friend Putin helped him save zillions of American jobs, and how if Biden is elected Iran (or maybe China, it wasn't clear) "will own us." This isn't conservatism; this is madness.

A journalist's view:
https://www.salon.com/2020/04/18/tru...that-out-loud/

Belongs here too...

"If I wasn't elected maybe the world would be over."

What astounds me is that the US nominally possesses a few mechanisms by which to remove a mad leader. But collectively the country is in a kind of stupor, as though it has a divinely ordained King who is beyond the reproach of mortal Man.

The Dems tried to get rid of him by impeaching him. But the real enablers here are the Republicans led by Mitch McConnell.

I wonder if it's also a limitation of the two-party system. It allows a corrupt party to wield roughly half the parliament/congress/senate power and thus obstruct impeachment and other counter-corruption attempts.

Is anybody going to contend that suggesting using disinfectant intraveinously is the act of a sane man?

(this should be good...)

I'll bite.....

He's not insane, just ignorant.

He sees that disinfectant is effective at killing Coronavirus. People with Coronavirus need to have it killed so why not see whether "disinfectant" can be introduced into the human body.

Maybe it's not literally a name-brand disinfectant but maybe some medically-safe substance that does a similar job. Maybe he's just suggesting that the scientific Poindexters take a lead from a real-world can-do guy like himself and investigate some out of the box alternatives because whatever they're doing isn't working fast enough for the Great American People.

I can see, many months or years down the road, that there possibly may be a treatment for Coronavirus which chemically attacks the Coronavirus in-situ, a bit like a disinfectant. President Trump will proudly proclaim that it's his brilliant idea and that he has the greatest mind of all time ignoring the minor details that:

• The treatment was under development months before his ridiculous utterances
• The treatment isn't a disinfectant, it's a poorly chosen analogy to try and educate the scientifically illiterate and hard of understanding - like President Trump
• It isn't injected, it's administered by other means
• The development of, testing of and distribution of the treatment wasn't inspired or helped by President Trump in any way, shape or form

That can't be right. According to no lesser authority than the man himself, he knows more about everything than anyone.

Trump is getting stupider, crazier, or both. If the White House staff don't hide the bleach and detergent he's going to injure himself. The days of relying on the Mr Yuk stickers are over.

Just remember, though, that he's not dangerous. Oh no.

You can't know that! You haven't examined him!!


Just cos a man who, sincerely, you'll note, claims to be an expert in everything has just suggested intravenous strong cleaning agents as a medical procedure that doesn't make him ******* crazy, it just means he...


No, I can't do it. I can't find any way to end that sentence. Someone else will be along in a minute to do it for me, probably. Although maybe this is even a little too difficult to rustle up an ad hoc defence in a hurry. They might need a while.

ya i know rite? Yes, it's theoretically possible he's just pretending to be going crazy and demented. For what purpose, I do not know. Seems an odd thing for a narcissist to be doing, but yes, it's possible.

Occam's razor, though.

No doubt his supporters would say that he wasn't directly advocating injecting cleaning products or placing UV sources in the lungs, he was suggesting that scientists maybe think outside the box and explore ways to directly attack Coronavirus chemically or with radiation.

Chemotherapy and radiotherapy are effective treatments for cancer so why not explore their use in the fight against Coronavirus ?

President Trump is a visionary whose job it is to provide the vital catalyst to the people working to address Coronavirus, not to work through the minutiae of each particular thread. That's not to say that he couldn't do exactly that - after all his uncle was an MIT professor and those around him are continually amazed by his intellect and knowledge - but his responsibilities are so broad that it would be irresponsible for him to concentrate on just one thing.

;) :rolleyes:

Let me help...

You're forgetting that he has to be taken seriously, but not literally. So, when another speaker points out that bleach or isopropyl alcohol are effective disinfectants for the corona virus, and Trump then says "let's inject ourselves with disinfectants", he is not actually talking about the two disinfectants that were just mentioned in front of him, and that are probably the only two disinfectants he could name if you asked him; no, because that would be ******* crazy and we start from the irrefutable assumption that Trump is not ******* crazy. So it then becomes our responsibility to replace what we thought was a clear reference to bleach and isopropyl alcohol with a reference to something that makes some kind of sense, and which we should have known was what he really meant if only our mental processes were as deep as his.

HTH.