Brain shrinkage. He has room for a lot less coherent words now.

The Sopranos?!
I can also imagine Roy Cohn speaking like that - but not when he was on TV:

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In his heart and black soul he is a Jersey garbage truck driver.

Seriously, he didn't speak like he does now when he was younger. He used to express himself more intelligently and coherently, although I don't think he was ever very intelligent or cared much about learning anything that didn't directly benefit him financially. Now, he just wanders all over the place and seems to say whatever pops into his head using the same basic set of words. I do think he is in mental decline.

Do look at Tom Joseph's tweets on this. He was calling Trump's decline in 2017.

Here's one from May
https://twitter.com/TomJChicago/stat...436744192?s=20

If he has FTD, he got it very late. It’s a disease that mostly happens much earlier.

So he probably doesn’t have FTD; he’s just getting old and not aging particularly well. Internet doctors tend to throw out a bunch of diagnoses. I believe that’s the diagnostic method taught by the Internet University’s Twitter and Facebook School of Medicine.

Well Tom Joseph has been calling the timeline pretty well for three years now.

Obviously, it would be good to have a credible medic examine Trump to determine whether he is safe to have The Football, but that doesn't seem likely given the lack of moral fibre in the GOP. You seen to think that it'd be fine for the POTUS to hold office with no medical checks, even if they developed an illness that made them too unfit to possess firearms.

Instead, we have Trump saying that he aced a cognitive test - even the questions that he said were difficult. (They weren't).

Trump has inadvertently pointed out that he struggles with simple cognitive tasks.

Even since then, his performance has got worse.


Do you really think that there's nothing to worry about, given how confused he is now?

Do you really think that he's not going to get worse by November?


ETA: The President is not a private citizen. Where their health impacts their suitability for office, it is a matter of public interest and personal privacy should be superseded.

Forget by November. Think about what he can do in fits of rage between losing on Nov. 3 and leaving Jan. 20. He will still be President with full powers of office for two and half months.

And a public citizen can be just about anybody. He is the highest public official, responsible to us all.

Edited now, thanks

Trump wants to add his face to Mount Rushmore:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...id=mailsignout

No comment required.

They can let the Trump Baby balloon hover above Mount Rushmore for as long as it lasts.

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Mostly, but not at all unheard of:


ETA: So by the end of his next term ...

A psychiatrist argues that the primary dividing line between people is whether or not they have a conscience:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/tra...civilisations/

Absolutely. Trump belongs to that category as do Putin, the Kims, Bolsonaro, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, virtually all dictators, serial killers, etc. They obtain power and keep it because they are willing to do anything to gain it and to maintain it because they lack a conscience. They only lose power if those around them no longer aid and abet them. We saw that with the GOP Senate in the impeachment when they had the chance to remove Trump and they failed to do so.

Another interview with Mary Trump:
https://www.salon.com/2020/08/12/mar...e-oval-office/

And another shrink weighs in:
https://www.salon.com/2020/08/13/why...ogies_partner/
https://www.dcreport.org/2020/07/05/...tal-condition/

Dr. Bandy X. Lee in Conversation with Dr. Mary L. Trump
 

Interesting exchange. I agree completely with them both that a personal interview with Trump is totally unnecessary since there is more than sufficient data available to determine his mental capacity.

It's weird to hear "Dr Trump". :p

Yeah....it's like a weird oxymoron. 'Doctor' and 'Trump' just don't seem like two words that should go together. Rather like 'Trump' and 'Presidency'.

"The doctors came for Trump at midday on January 20th."

That trips off the tongue in a pleasant way.

Doc Lee assesses the Repub convention:
https://www.salon.com/2020/08/29/yal...t-of-violence/

Clip From ‘Unfit’ Documentary Explores Trump’s ‘Cognitive Decline’ Over Time

“We have someone who is really not functioning cognitively who has the capacity to launch the nuclear codes,” psychologist John Gartner warned.

Josephine Harvey

In a new film unpacking the psychology of Donald Trump, author and psychologist John Gartner says the president demonstrates numerous signs of cognitive deterioration and ties that to grave concerns about Trump’s fitness for the Oval Office.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/unfit...ushpmg00000003

I think this is another reason why he repeats himself so much. He has certain topics and he'll repeat phrases regarding those topics two, three, four times before moving on to the next memorized topic and phrases. He's like a damn tape on a loop.

But even if they had the moral fiber, what could they do? It appears that medical confidentiality laws mean that the president can issue a medical press release saying anything he wants and the medical staff cannot contradict him. Even if his physician called in a team of non-partisan psychiatrists, they couldn’t legally approach the cabinet and say that it is time to draft a 25th Amendment letter.

For one thing, his doctors are federal employees, so they have a loyalty to the Constitution that may (or at least should) override their obligations to their patient. That goes back to "a duty to warn." For another, the president could waive confidentiality in the public interest. When Reagan was shot, and later when he had colon surgery, there were practically minute-by-minute medical reports, including x-rays and diagrams. Nobody said "Oh, that's private."
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/01/05/u...n-s-colon.html

And medical confidentiality laws and practices don't always apply. The AMA says


The real sticking point is that Trump would never submit to a psychiatric examination. But his doctors could still make judgments and recommendations based on his observed speech and behavior.

I’m not actually prepared to believe that he has The Football. If I did, I’d be spending all my money on whisky.

If Trump wins in Nov., I'm seriously considering a personal ban on watching national news in order to save my own sanity.

But Trump wouldn’t voluntarily sign anything about releasing information to his cabinet (as Reagan did).

And the catching point would be “identifiable individuals.” Trump would certainly bring a lawsuit against the doctor(s) and the associated claim that there were identified individuals under the threat of serious harm.

But even if the president did sign a HIPAA waiver, the hurdle that we would never clear is that a 25A letter requires the vice president’s signature. Mike Pence would sooner follow Mark chapter 9 (it is better to cut off your hand than to allow your hand to commit sin) than sign that letter.

Well, that approach does have one advantage. If the Emergency Alert System went off and I saw missiles reigning down on the country I wouldn’t have to live in a post-apocalyptic dystopia because I’d die from curiosity wondering whether they were Russian H-bombs or US H-bombs.

Don't dis Jong-un! :)

I don't know how I could cope with another four years of that without having a serious breakdown myself.

Just for balance:

There are 3 local Family Medicine physicians, who I know quite well who are speaking out in much the same terms as the Yale Group used, warning people that Biden has dementia and thus is unfit for office. While it's hard for me, being a known figure in the medical community here (manage a clinic, married to a Family Medicine physician), to argue as vehemently as I do here, I have publicly responded to their social media posts. I have said that they can't possibly make such a diagnosis because they've never met Joe Biden. They respond with the same, "there's plenty of video evidence so I can diagnose him just fine," nonsense I find here.

Is this what we want?

Are they Trump supporters? Are they watching doctored videos that Trump retweets?

ETA: I'd like a link to their social media.

They haven’t been vocal about their Trump support so I don’t know. I assume so because they are basically diagnosing Biden and calling his fitness into question, yet stayed very quiet about Trump.

I’m not going to link to them because 1)I don’t want to give any more clues to my identity than I already have and 2) I don’t want to be the cause of their pages being inundated. Not that I think any current poster here would make trouble for me IRL or initiate a campaign against them or anything, but early on in my career here, I had an issue with one particular poster (since banned) who made a bit of an issue for my wife and I. Plus the general public can access these posts.

They can claim anything they want, but they would be hard put to actually point to any such video evidence, unlike for Trump.

Fair points. And I'd bet they are Trump supporters if they're vocal about Biden but say nothing about Trump.

They post plenty of video evidence of his many verbal stumbles.

And how many of those can be attributed to his stuttering? Or to normal verbal stumbles that we all do? How about copying some of those here?

ETA: Repeating oneself is more a sign of dementia than verbal stumbles. Know anyone who repeats himself all the time?

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c49039...eak-pittsburgh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VimRBSj6kjA
Aside from the Harris-Biden mix-up, they point out his speech patterns and the fact that he forgot which side his coat pocket was on.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c48903...uestions-obama
They say he loses his train of thought and needed a list of predetermined questions to help him get questions he had been prepped on.

There's a few more but most stuff has been on this forum in one form or another. But the point isn't whether or not they are right in their assessment of Biden or whether or not Biden is actually in mental decline for whatever reason, but whether or not they should be donning their white coats to make their assessments as professionals. Do you think they should?

Yes. Psychiatric disorders are largely diagnosed by speech, thoughts and behavior. There's no blood test for narcissism or dementia. I don't think there's much evidence against Biden's mental fitness, certainly not the mountain that there is against Trump. There's zero evidence that Biden rejects basic science or lacks understanding of the core principles of good government or tells massive lies that defy common sense even after he has been corrected. I don't know what specialties your pals are in, but no psychiatrist or psychologist has publicly concluded that Biden has a problem, unlike the countless experts who have come out against Trump.

It's another case of false equivalence; "Trump's no worse than the other guy." That's just not true.

Ah...but you're only seeing the part he wants you because it makes Biden looks like he's lost it which he actually hasn't. Here's the rest of what Biden says in bold:

You can tell where his stutter starts to kick in and he has to stop and rethink how he's going say it. I've highlighted it in blue.

OMG! He said "Harris/Biden" instead of "Biden/Harris"! Holy Crap. They'd better put me in a home because I call my dog Lilly "Maggie" and Maggie "Lilly" all the time. Hell, I even call them Lucy and Molly sometimes....and those two have been dead for years. And forgot which side his pocket was on? MOTHER OF GOD! All I can say is if those three doctors think these are signs of dementia, the medical board should take a look at THEM because I don't want them making any decisions about MY care.

They say? LOL Who are "they"? The same "they" Trump says begin sentences with "Sir"?

I think they should say whatever they want. If they want to make fools of themselves as family practitioners and put that kind of crap up as evidence of of Biden's 'dementia' I have no problem with it. It would just give me the heads up to avoid them as doctors if I lived in that area.