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Mojo 26th May 2020 03:27 AM

Government minister resigns over Dominic Cummings' lockdown trip

Quote:

Douglas Ross, the MP for Moray, stepped down as a Scotland Office minister, saying he accepted Cummings felt he had acted in the best interests of his family but these were “decisions others felt were not available to them”.

Mid 26th May 2020 03:51 AM

Seems like Cummings claim to have been warning about coronaviruses last year may also be another lie, as it appears he add a chunk about it to an old blog post on 14 April which is the only mention of the virus on his blog apparently

https://www.newstatesman.com/science...19-coronavirus

Lothian 26th May 2020 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13101828)
Unless he went completely the wrong way from Durham, he can't have stopped on the outskirts of Barnard Castle within 10 metres of the river. He would have had to drive through the town.

If he parked on the town side of the river, he would have to have parked illegally to be that close. If he parked in Startforth then I guess he might have been that close but he drove through the town.

I suppose he could have gone A1 to A66 but that's a pretty long way round.

From the coverage in th papers, it seems that he's in the clear and the Tories baying for blood yesterday have been placated by his explanation. :mad:

The woods he stopped at for his son to have a pee are interesting as well. He is reported to have been seen in Houghall woods, which is not in between his house and Barnard castle rather it is a mile or two past his house when travelling back.

The Don 26th May 2020 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13101929)
The woods he stopped at for his son to have a pee are interesting as well. He is reported to have been seen in Houghall woods, which is not in between his house and Barnard castle rather it is a mile or two past his house when travelling back.

Maybe his eyesight was bad after all. Clearly he drove past his house without realising it.:rolleyes:

Mid 26th May 2020 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mid (Post 13101913)
Seems like Cummings claim to have been warning about coronaviruses last year may also be another lie, as it appears he add a chunk about it to an old blog post on 14 April which is the only mention of the virus on his blog apparently

https://www.newstatesman.com/science...19-coronavirus

Although to be fair to him saying “I was warning only last year about the dangers of coronaviruses” sounds a lot more impressive than “I was warning only last month after catching one and possibly spreading it around the North East of the dangers of coronaviruses”

More on it can be found here by the way:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...37708072464386

Arcade22 26th May 2020 04:35 AM

Meanwhile, the Dutch PM has obeyed Covid restrictions to the point that he was unable to see his mother before she died (not from Covid).

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Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte was unable to visit his dying mother in her final weeks because he obeyed coronavirus restrictions against visiting care homes, his office has said.

The news about Rutte emerged as Britain was gripped by a political row over allegations that the top aide to prime minister Boris Johnson broke Covid-19 rules to travel cross-country to stay on his parents’ estate.

Rutte on Monday announced the death of 96-year-old Mieke Rutte-Dilling in a home in The Hague on 13 May, nearly two months after the government shut all such institutions to the public on 20 March.

...

Dutch authorities allowed individual visits to some care homes from Monday, a measure that will be extended to all of them on 15 June.

The Netherlands – which has imposed an “intelligent lockdown” with less strict conditions than many other European countries, though there have been concerns over a return to tourism in cities like Amsterdam.

The country has so far recorded 5,830 coronavirus deaths and 45,445 infections.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...9-restrictions

Captain_Swoop 26th May 2020 04:37 AM

Gove popped up on Sky News too

KayBurley - What's the government's advice if you're struggling with covid-19 & its affected your eyesight?

Michael Gove - We advise people to seek medical advice

KayBurley - so it's not to get in a car with your four-year-old strapped in the back?

Captain_Swoop 26th May 2020 04:38 AM

You really have to slap yourself when you watch these interviews that this is actually happening, it’s like watching a really bad sitcom.

Captain_Swoop 26th May 2020 04:45 AM

A London police officer has told LBC he doesn't know what to say to people breaking lockdown rules when they bring up Dominic Cummings.

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Scott, a London police officer who has been enforcing the coronavirus lockdown rules, told LBC's Tom Swarbrick that he's "given people tickets for sitting on benches" in parks.

The serving officer said he didn't see "how I can go to bed tonight, knowing that I've made people pay fines for breaching lockdown when it seems if you're powerful and wealthy enough you can just do whatever you want."
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...nic-cumminngs/

Captain_Swoop 26th May 2020 04:46 AM

The government’s approval ratings have dropped 16 points in just one day, suggesting the Dominic Cummings story on breaking lockdown rules has rocked public opinion.

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According to pollsters Savanta ComRes, the approval rating of the government now sits at -2%, falling significantly over the weekend.

Boris Johnson’s own approval rating is at -1%, a drop of 20 points in just four days
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...rops-1-6670010

Darat 26th May 2020 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13101941)
A London police officer has told LBC he doesn't know what to say to people breaking lockdown rules when they bring up Dominic Cummings.



https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...nic-cumminngs/

One rule for you, no rules for them?

Darat 26th May 2020 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13101935)
Gove popped up on Sky News too

KayBurley - What's the government's advice if you're struggling with covid-19 & its affected your eyesight?

Michael Gove - We advise people to seek medical advice

KayBurley - so it's not to get in a car with your four-year-old strapped in the back?

The thing is they are not going out to bat for one of them, i,e, a fellow politician or minister but for a "dime a dozen" political advisor.

Guybrush Threepwood 26th May 2020 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13101946)
The thing is they are not going out to bat for one of them, i,e, a fellow politician or minister but for a "dime a dozen" political advisor.

I don't think Dom is "Dime a dozen", can you name another political advisor played on TV by Cumberdick Bandersnatch?

Lukraak_Sisser 26th May 2020 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13101895)
One of the many things which annoys me about this class of thing is the "How stupid do you think I am?" element, as with this one they (Cummings, Johnson, Gove) must believe that I am thicker than mince and have the credulity of an especially credulous guinea pig (they are well known for their credulity).

More to the point, why would they care, the next elections are in 4-5 years and the Tories have a really comfortable majority and no real way of being held accountable for their actions now.

Mid 26th May 2020 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush Threepwood (Post 13101949)
I don't think Dom is "Dime a dozen", can you name another political advisor played on TV by Cumberdick Bandersnatch?

Well a version of Alastair Campbell was played by Doctor Who, which in my book is more impressive than being portrayed by Sherlock Holmes

Captain_Swoop 26th May 2020 05:22 AM

Do you remember when we felt smug and superior that the USA were lead by a lying, cheating arsewipe, unfettered and in plain sight and that we were too savvy to put up with such gaslighting nonsense?

GlennB 26th May 2020 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13101937)
You really have to slap yourself when you watch these interviews that this is actually happening, it’s like watching a really bad sitcom.

It's close to inconceivable that the government might not run full-term and they can achieve all the looting and wrecking they want to achieve in one parliament, therefore they don't really give a damn about appearances.

3point14 26th May 2020 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13101961)
Do you remember when we felt smug and superior that the USA were lead by a lying, cheating arsewipe, unfettered and in plain sight and that we were too savvy to put up with such gaslighting nonsense?


I don't remember feeling smug. I remember looking at Boris, a man who took a job where he was literally paid to lie to the public, hurtling towards number ten at a frightening rate and being given the softest of rides by a UK press petrified of an actual left wing government and thinking, "We're next"

Carole Cadwalladr has been all over it for as long as it's been going on. She's just ignored.

zooterkin 26th May 2020 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 3point14 (Post 13101967)
I don't remember feeling smug. I remember looking at Boris, a man who took a job where he was literally paid to lie to the public, hurtling towards number ten at a frightening rate and being given the softest of rides by a UK press petrified of an actual left wing government and thinking, "We're next"

Carole Cadwalladr has been all over it for as long as it's been going on. She's just ignored.

Angus Deayton has a lot to answer for.

zooterkin 26th May 2020 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13101929)
The woods he stopped at for his son to have a pee are interesting as well. He is reported to have been seen in Houghall woods, which is not in between his house and Barnard castle rather it is a mile or two past his house when travelling back.

This same child who needed a pee on a 30 mile journey was apparently fine on the 260 miles from London.

Squeegee Beckenheim 26th May 2020 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13101961)
Do you remember when we felt smug and superior that the USA were lead by a lying, cheating arsewipe, unfettered and in plain sight and that we were too savvy to put up with such gaslighting nonsense?

Not entirely, no. I still think we're better off than the US. It's not because our politicians are better (although I do think that both Cummings and Johnson are more intelligent than Trump), it's that our checks and balances are working - at least to some degree - unlike in the US.

zooterkin 26th May 2020 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13101964)
It's close to inconceivable that the government might not run full-term and they can achieve all the looting and wrecking they want to achieve in one parliament, therefore they don't really give a damn about appearances.

I disagree, the Tories are quite prepared to depose a leader who is going to cost them a future election. Whether that will stop the looting is a different matter, but it might stop the incompetence.

Lothian 26th May 2020 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush Threepwood (Post 13101949)
I don't think Dom is "Dime a dozen", can you name another political advisor played on TV by Cumberdick Bandersnatch?

Peter Guillam

P.J. Denyer 26th May 2020 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13101873)
Do you think they ever hear themselves say these astonishingly stupid things and think “what the hell am I doing? How did I get here?

And you may find yourself
Living in a lockdown
And you may find yourself
Leaving another part of the world
And you may find yourself
Behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful Parliament
With a lying PM
And you may ask yourself, well
How do I stay here?


(Written about four hours ago but I neglected to press 'post')

P.J. Denyer 26th May 2020 07:15 AM

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96 Driving with uncorrected defective eyesight.

(1)If a person drives a motor vehicle on a road while his eyesight is such (whether through a defect which cannot be or one which is not for the time being sufficiently corrected) that he cannot comply with any requirement as to eyesight prescribed under this Part of this Act for the purposes of tests of competence to drive, he is guilty of an offence.
Road Traffic Act

Where exactly do you draw the line on doing something to test if you're breaking the law?

Squeegee Beckenheim 26th May 2020 07:40 AM

https://i.imgur.com/zop4czm.jpg

Tolls 26th May 2020 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13102089)
Road Traffic Act

Where exactly do you draw the line on doing something to test if you're breaking the law?

I don't know about anyone else, but I frequently get in my car to test if I'm too pissed or not to drive...doesn't everyone?

Lothian 26th May 2020 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13102019)
This same child who needed a pee on a 30 mile journey was apparently fine on the 260 miles from London.

If you were doing 60mph in a car round the Co Durham back roads with a driver who is complaining about not being able to see, you would piss yourself too.

The Don 26th May 2020 08:16 AM

Conservative Party supporters really are lovely, lovely people....


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Senior bishops who criticised Dominic Cummings' lockdown travel say they have received death threats.

Bishops in Newcastle, Ripon and Liverpool are among those who have said they have received hate mail.

A number of church leaders criticised Mr Cummings' trip from London to Durham to self-isolate.

Bishop of Worcester John Inge said he got a "delightful email" saying: "Stay out of politics or we'll kill you."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

P.J. Denyer 26th May 2020 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tolls (Post 13102118)
I don't know about anyone else, but I frequently get in my car to test if I'm too pissed or not to drive...doesn't everyone?

Around here? Apparently, yes.

ctamblyn 26th May 2020 08:34 AM

So far 26 Tory MPs have called for Cummings' resignation or sacking. Wonder how many more will manage to find a spine (or at least see which way the wind is blowing)?

P.J. Denyer 26th May 2020 08:36 AM

Anyone else wondering what Cummings has on Johnson? And given Cummings history, if it's related to the still not released Russia report?

Squeegee Beckenheim 26th May 2020 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13102196)
Anyone else wondering what Cummings has on Johnson? And given Cummings history, if it's related to the still not released Russia report?

I'm sure he does know what's in the Russia report. But he doesn't have to have anything on Johnson. Johnson is a lazy, lazy man who's been letting Cummings do his job for him. If Cummings goes, then Johnson will be left having to actually be prime minister. You can understand why he wouldn't want that.

Pixel42 26th May 2020 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13102196)
Anyone else wondering what Cummings has on Johnson?

A while back (during the leadership election IIRC) there was a rumour of a major scandal involving Johnson - the phrase "career ending" was being banded about. Then it all went quiet, so either there was never anything to it or someone (maybe Cummings) managed to put a lid on it.

P.J. Denyer 26th May 2020 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pixel42 (Post 13102225)
A while back (during the leadership election IIRC) there was a rumour of a major scandal involving Johnson - the phrase "career ending" was being banded about. Then it all went quiet, so either there was never anything to it or someone (maybe Cummings) managed to put a lid on it.

It would have to be something pretty special, even given how high the bar has been raised on 'career ending' in recent years, Johnson has about one a month.

Carrot Flower King 26th May 2020 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13101929)
The woods he stopped at for his son to have a pee are interesting as well. He is reported to have been seen in Houghall woods, which is not in between his house and Barnard castle rather it is a mile or two past his house when travelling back.

Houghall Woods, was it? Oh, FFS!

Did he forget that some of us are very familiar with the geography of County Durham, especially around Durham City itself? Or does he think we are all London-centric meejah types or the likes of Boris who barely know where Durham is?

Mojo 26th May 2020 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13102216)
I'm sure he does know what's in the Russia report. But he doesn't have to have anything on Johnson. Johnson is a lazy, lazy man who's been letting Cummings do his job for him. If Cummings goes, then Johnson will be left having to actually be prime minister. You can understand why he wouldn't want that.


From Marina Hyde today: The truth about why Cummings hasn't gone: Johnson is too terrified to sack him

Quote:

The thing about Johnson is that he desperately wanted to become prime minister, and he desperately wanted to have been prime minister. It’s just the bit in between he struggles with.

Mojo 26th May 2020 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13102363)
Houghall Woods, was it? Oh, FFS!

Did he forget that some of us are very familiar with the geography of County Durham, especially around Durham City itself? Or does he think we are all London-centric meejah types or the likes of Boris who barely know where Durham is?


No, just all the people who matter.

Captain_Swoop 26th May 2020 11:11 AM

Matt Hancock says penalty fines levied on families travelling for childcare purposes will be reviewed, in response to a question.

Captain_Swoop 26th May 2020 11:13 AM

To protect Dominic Cummings, the government has so far:

Reinterpreted lockdown guidance, accepted a ministerial resignation, agreed to review all penalties on families travelling for childcare

This is crippling the government, it's forcing them to retrospectively change policy dropping fines for anyone who uses the excuse of childcare worries even if they're clearly hastily made up because that's what Cummings did.

They look ******* stupid.


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