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Wildy 26th June 2021 07:48 AM

Australian Politics - The Morrison Period Part II
 
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Originally Posted by lionking (Post 13519706)
The Commonwealth is responsible for immigration control. This is where the infections have come from.

True. But some of those have come by plane, which the government can't stop, and the one boat they needed to stop they didn't.

lionking 27th June 2021 12:01 AM

Well one thing that might happen now that his beloved Sydney is in the **** is that Scott “this is not a race” Morrison might get serious about vaccinations.

Sideroxylon 27th June 2021 01:22 AM

Darwin did go into 48 hour lockdown.

lionking 27th June 2021 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon (Post 13520330)
Darwin did go into 48 hour lockdown.

A national lockdown isn’t out of the question. All because of a Sydney quarantine leak. Thank you Gladys and Scott.

rjh01 27th June 2021 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon (Post 13520330)
Darwin did go into 48 hour lockdown.

New rules in the ACT effective from tonight

We must wear a facemask while indoors other than home and work. This includes on public transport and in shops.

Details https://www.covid19.act.gov.au/act-s...nse/face-masks

I have been waiting for this to happen. Glad it has.

The Atheist 27th June 2021 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lionking (Post 13520708)
A national lockdown isn’t out of the question. All because of a Sydney quarantine leak. Thank you Gladys and Scott.

I agree - both should be strung up.

Morrison, for failing to provide suitable quarantine - and our gov't is playing the same deadly game - when excellent alternatives could be arranged in days.

Gladys, for failing to act quickly enough.

Norman Alexander 27th June 2021 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lionking (Post 13520708)
A national lockdown isn’t out of the question. All because of a Sydney quarantine leak. Thank you Gladys and Scott.

There have been plenty of other quarantine leaks in Brisbane, Melbourne and Adelaide. So let's string up all those premiers too, shall we?

The problem with leaks has been the misplaced expectation that hotels are adequate quarantine locations. Clearly they are not, medically speaking, and a few moments of thought would have realised this. Hotels are just a smaller version of a cruise ship, and we all shuddered at the thought of these "floating petri dishes". Hotels were chosen by the pollies because they already existed, were easier to corral people, and were easier to finance quickly. Expediency.

What we really needed was a federal government initiative to quickly create quarantine facilities. But Scomo clearly was not up to something that wasn't spin and marketing. He handed off responsibility to the states, and sat back saying "How good's Australia!" Bushfires all over again.:mad:

Orphia Nay 27th June 2021 05:23 PM

I hope Victoria hurries up with their planned new purpose-built quarantine facility.

Sideroxylon 27th June 2021 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay (Post 13520944)
I hope Victoria hurries up with their planned new purpose-built quarantine facility.

Darwin’s Howard Springs facility, a repurposed workers village comprising of single bed cabins, has had no leaks so far. Seems we have ignored the realities of aerosol transmission so we don’t have to deal with the broken hotel system. Change too expensive? Hotel industry enjoying a windfall?

Orphia Nay 27th June 2021 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon (Post 13520965)
Darwin’s Howard Springs facility, a repurposed workers village comprising of single bed cabins, has had no leaks so far. Seems we have ignored the realities of aerosol transmission so we don’t have to deal with the broken hotel system. Change too expensive? Hotel industry enjoying a windfall?


Just reading about the plans for states' facilities.

Victoria's will be based on Howard Springs and is said to be up and running by the end of the year.

More on the others:

https://amp.9news.com.au/article/712...d-7bc58e9e77cc

Sideroxylon 27th June 2021 07:16 PM

Some of the city hotels would have been hurting without the quarantine business. You wonder how much lobbying went on.

Norman Alexander 27th June 2021 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon (Post 13520992)
Some of the city hotels would have been hurting without the quarantine business. You wonder how much lobbying went on.

No, I don't wonder. :rolleyes:

arthwollipot 28th June 2021 12:44 AM

It certainly didn't take Barnaby long to start spouting bull ****.

Barnaby Joyce urged to apologise over ‘burning flesh’ comments about Melbourne’s Covid impact

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The deputy prime minister says in News Corp interview regional Australians ‘couldn’t really give a shit’ about city’s strife


Barnaby Joyce has been accused of fuelling country-city divides after he said regional residents “couldn’t really give a shit” about Melbourne’s pandemic challenges.

The deputy prime minister also faces calls to apologise for saying about the Melbourne CBD: “You can almost smell the burning flesh from here.”

The dumped Nationals minister Darren Chester, who is from regional Victoria, says Joyce, the newly installed leader of the party, should focus on uniting the nation rather than promoting outdated divisions between city and country communities.

Labor demanded that Joyce apologise for the “disgusting” comments, while urging Scott Morrison to “make clear that this is entirely unacceptable from a senior member of his government”.

“The remarks are disgusting, divisive and unworthy of the office of the deputy prime minister, indeed of any holder of public office,” said Andrew Giles, a Labor frontbencher from a suburban Melbourne seat.

Joyce, who promoted his supporters and dumped opponents such as Chester in a cabinet reshuffle on Sunday, was asked during an interview with News Corp Australia whether the nation needed to move on from the idea of having zero Covid-19 cases.

“It’s like saying I want zero cases of flu. It’s not possible,” Joyce told News Corp’s Sunday tabloids.

“It’s like saying I want zero cases of measles mumps. We’re going to shut the borders for that? It’s just not possible. You have to learn how live with it. How to manage it. What happens when next year we need to get universities going again, what, you close all the ********** down do you?”

When asked by the journalist to reflect on whether this approach would cause problems in Melbourne, Joyce replied: “Of course. But in country areas we couldn’t really give a ****. We’ve got record exports of coal. Record exports of beef. But we look at Melbourne, and go, you can almost smell the burning flesh from here.”

Giles, who is Labor’s spokesperson for cities and is also the acting shadow minister for regional development, said Joyce’s comments would be received “very badly” in Melbourne.

“People in Melbourne have done it tough and right now I’m thinking of those around the country who are also feeling anxious. The deputy prime minister should extend the same courtesy,” Giles said.

“People may have seen Barnaby Joyce as something like a harmless joke but now we’re seeing something that is entirely unworthy of Australia’s deputy prime minister.

“It’s not hard to show leadership, it’s not hard to show empathy, and all he seems to have done is set out to offend a large group of people for no particular reason.”

Sideroxylon 28th June 2021 12:56 AM

Beetroot might end up alienating some rural conservative voters with that kind of BS. I know a few who are very sympathetic to hard lockdowns.

If he and his mates in federal parliament want to appease some of their industry paymasters by preventing lockdowns they should sort out the vaccine farce.

rjh01 28th June 2021 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon (Post 13521125)
Beetroot might end up alienating some rural conservative voters with that kind of BS. I know a few who are very sympathetic to hard lockdowns.

If he and his mates in federal parliament want to appease some of their industry paymasters by preventing lockdowns they should sort out the vaccine farce.

I agree. Some rural areas have heaps of holiday homes. If there is a Covid 19 outbreak then city people are likely to run to these holiday homes and wait out the outbreak. This would put the rural communities at risk. However, if a lockdown is enforced early, the city people cannot flee to their country homes. This would keep the rural areas safe.

arthwollipot 28th June 2021 07:09 PM

Barney, Barney, Barney. Wear a damn mask, yeah?

Norman Alexander 28th June 2021 07:23 PM

If Beetroot keeps getting everybody and their dog offside from the get-go, and also racks up fines for being an absolute dick, there may be hope that his tenure as First Sidekick may be VERY short.



.......What am I saying. Scomo is the PM. So absolutely nothing will get done until Beetroot reduces the coalition to smoking rubble.

arthwollipot 28th June 2021 07:25 PM

You'd think that even Albo would be able to win an election with this lot in government. But I said that about Shorten, too.

Sideroxylon 28th June 2021 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 13522076)
Barney, Barney, Barney. Wear a damn mask, yeah?

Lets not go full Murrica and turn mask wearing into a political issue. That would be great thanks, Beetroot and your mates on Sky.

The Atheist 29th June 2021 02:55 AM

Question for you: is there a move to place Mark Butler into Labor's leadership?

And if not, why not?

lionking 29th June 2021 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Atheist (Post 13522252)
Question for you: is there a move to place Mark Butler into Labor's leadership?

And if not, why not?

Miles behind. Barely mentioned in dispatches.

Why do you think he has any chance of leadership?

Wildy 29th June 2021 04:18 AM

That's what I wanted to know. I completely forgot this guy existed and he's an MP for a seat in my state.

The Atheist 29th June 2021 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lionking (Post 13522268)
Miles behind. Barely mentioned in dispatches.

Why do you think he has any chance of leadership?

I didn't know where he was positioned, which is why I asked. Given the shortcomings of Labor's current and former utter screw-ups I'd expect there to be a serious search for someone to take over from the wee loser currently destroying their hopes.

Butler is the one Aussie politician I consistently see saying the right things about Covid response and corruption in the NLP*.

I must be looking at the wrong media.

As you were then. Albo all the way!




*Yes, I know they're not the NLP, but given those initials also stand for "neuro-linguistic programming" I think they work very well.

lionking 29th June 2021 12:46 PM

There are plenty of Labor MPs better than Albo, and they have been spoken about in this thread.

Norman Alexander 29th June 2021 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lionking (Post 13522767)
There are plenty of Labor MPs better than Albo, and they have been spoken about in this thread.

Their main problem is that, unlike the LNP, most of them are hampered by brains and honesty.

The Atheist 1st July 2021 08:47 PM

Looks like Gladys' idea of a soft lockdown didn't work: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...ile-infectious

Quite amazing that after all this time, and with more-infectious cases, the need for fast and hard lockdown hasn't sunk in.

Looks to me that instead of two weeks that would have worked if you went hard early is going to be more like six. The fact that people won't self-manage is borne out by the 13 infectious people who were out and about.

Good to see the other states taking it more seriously - they'll reap the benefits of that pretty quickly.

The Atheist 1st July 2021 09:27 PM

Meanwhile, Morrison claims to be building a pathway out of Covid, using lots of vague ideas and nothing specific whatsoever.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...out-of-covid19

lionking 2nd July 2021 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Atheist (Post 13524920)
Looks like Gladys' idea of a soft lockdown didn't work: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...ile-infectious

Quite amazing that after all this time, and with more-infectious cases, the need for fast and hard lockdown hasn't sunk in.

Looks to me that instead of two weeks that would have worked if you went hard early is going to be more like six. The fact that people won't self-manage is borne out by the 13 infectious people who were out and about.

Good to see the other states taking it more seriously - they'll reap the benefits of that pretty quickly.

I expect 100 cases a day soon. There is no lockdown in NSW. Retail outlets and shopping centres still open. Massive numbers of people promenading in Bondi and the northern beaches.

Gladys has ****** this up royally. This will be worse than the Ruby Princess.

lionking 2nd July 2021 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by The Atheist (Post 13524935)
Meanwhile, Morrison claims to be building a pathway out of Covid, using lots of vague ideas and nothing specific whatsoever.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...out-of-covid19

A joke, as expected. No dates, no vaccination targets. A nothing burger.

Norman Alexander 2nd July 2021 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lionking (Post 13525037)
I expect 100 cases a day soon.

Not quite. It's about 30. Still bad though.

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There is no lockdown in NSW.
Yeah there is!

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Retail outlets and shopping centres still open.
For essential shopping only, properly masked and distancing, etc. Food outlets are doing take-away only.

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Massive numbers of people promenading in Bondi and the northern beaches.
Yeah, that's a bit silly. They are supposedly "exercising in groups of no more than 50". What is that about...

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Gladys has ****** this up royally. This will be worse than the Ruby Princess.
Yep, dozens sent to hospital or dying. It will be an absolute plague. Wait... That's not actually happening with those already diagnosed. Something wrong there...

Norman Alexander 2nd July 2021 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lionking (Post 13525038)
A joke, as expected. No dates, no vaccination targets. A nothing burger.

Scomo is desperately trying to spin his way out of responsibility and commitment for this. That's the only way he knows how to deal with crises. And he is flailing badly. Beetroot is loving it because it makes him look half capable, and he's a crazed imbecile.

lionking 2nd July 2021 02:54 AM

I’ve read that retail shops like JB HiFi are open as well as Harvey Norman. Only on Twitter, so what is the situation?

But seriously, exercise with 50 maskless people?

No this is lockdown lite. In the last three days there have been 36 infected, non isolated people. I stick with my 100 a day infections in a few days.

Norman Alexander 2nd July 2021 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lionking (Post 13525057)
I’ve read that retail shops like JB HiFi are open as well as Harvey Norman. Only on Twitter, so what is the situation?

Bigger retailers are still open with masking, distancing, and limited numbers. Some places are shut though.

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But seriously, exercise with 50 maskless people?
That's what The RulesTM allow.

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Reasonable excuse to leave home

A reasonable excuse is if you need to

obtain food or other goods and services
for the personal needs of the household or for other household purposes (including pets)
for vulnerable people
if the food or goods and services are not available in the local government area that you live in
travel for work or education if it is not possible to do it at home
exercise and take outdoor recreation in Greater Sydney
go out for medical or caring reasons, including obtaining a COVID-19 vaccination
donate blood
access childcare
continue existing arrangements for access to, and contact between, parents and children
attend a funeral
provide care or assistance (including personal care) to a vulnerable person or to provide emergency assistance
access social services, employment services, services provided to victims (including as victims of crime), domestic violence services, and mental health services
move to a new place of residence, or between your different places of residence
undertake legal obligations
avoid injury or illness or to escape the risk of harm
in case of emergencies
for compassionate reasons, including where two people are in a relationship but do not necessarily live together
to provide pastoral care if you are a priest, minister of religion or member of a religious order.

Taking a holiday is not a reasonable excuse.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/greater-sydney

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No this is lockdown lite. In the last three days there have been 36 infected, non isolated people. I stick with my 100 a day infections in a few days.
We shall see. It isn't pretty, and some people are just ******* careless. The known infections so far are all associated with only a couple of spreader events.

lionking 2nd July 2021 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13525063)
Bigger retailers are still open with masking, distancing, and limited numbers. Some places are shut though.

That's what The RulesTM allow.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/greater-sydney

We shall see. It isn't pretty, and some people are just ******* careless. The known infections so far are all associated with only a couple of spreader events.

Linked infections are not the issue. We all know that almost all are linked to the limo driver. Its those non isolated infected people, and there has been a heap due to the non-lockdown.

But to stick to politics, Gladys is still in NSW is right just because mode. A typical Liberal, more concerned about the dollar than the health of citizens. There is a pregnant woman in ICU with covid. **** you Gladys.

rjh01 2nd July 2021 04:28 AM

Looking at my stats. There been cases in the last few days in every state except Tasmania and the ACT. I think that is more luck than anything else. All it takes is one holidaymaker to go back home with Covid 19 and that state is in big trouble.

Norman Alexander 2nd July 2021 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rjh01 (Post 13525094)
Looking at my stats. There been cases in the last few days in every state except Tasmania and the ACT. I think that is more luck than anything else. All it takes is one holidaymaker to go back home with Covid 19 and that state is in big trouble.

The Tanami gold mine, for example.

The Atheist 2nd July 2021 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13525053)
Yep, dozens sent to hospital or dying. It will be an absolute plague. Wait... That's not actually happening with those already diagnosed. Something wrong there...

1 - it's a bit early to see deaths.

2 - older people are being a lot more cautious and the infections are largely among younger groups, who are less-likely to die.

That's a problem in that it will encourage people not to take it seriously, which is how outbreaks get worse very quickly.

quadraginta 3rd July 2021 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Atheist (Post 13525542)
1 - it's a bit early to see deaths.

2 - older people are being a lot more cautious and the infections are largely among younger groups, who are less-likely to die.

That's a problem in that it will encourage people not to take it seriously, which is how outbreaks get worse very quickly.


It's also how new variants develop. Which is of concern on a far less local and more global level.

Orphia Nay 3rd July 2021 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lionking (Post 13525057)
I’ve read that retail shops like JB HiFi are open as well as Harvey Norman. Only on Twitter, so what is the situation?

But seriously, exercise with 50 maskless people?

No this is lockdown lite. In the last three days there have been 36 infected, non isolated people. I stick with my 100 a day infections in a few days.


It's 3 days later and they just announced 16 new cases in NSW.

What's happened?

rjh01 3rd July 2021 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay (Post 13526428)
It's 3 days later and they just announced 16 new cases in NSW.

What's happened?

Noise. Probably the labs are not working flat out on a Saturday. Still too high.


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