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phiwum 19th October 2020 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13262887)
I'll try to find some text sources of these tomorrow when I've got a little more time (and therefore take them with a large pinch of salt until I can find corroboration of some kind), but I heard three pieces of information about the email and the laptop today.

The first has already been discussed in the thread (and apologies if the other two have and I missed them), namely that the metadata of the "smocking gun" email dates it to October 2019, while the laptop itself was allegedly dropped off in April 2019.

The metadata I heard about was regarding the PDF representing the email, which would of course be irrelevant. But I heard that in passing and won't swear it's correct.

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The second is that there is allegedly a time-stamp on the email which is from a central European timezone, rather than an American one.

And the third is that the serial number of the harddrive has been traced and reveals that it remains in warranty until April 18th 2022. Since that model has a 3 year warranty, that means that it was purchased on April 18th 2019. The laptop was allegedly dropped off on April 12th 2019.
How does someone have the serial number of the harddrive? I thought that the only things made public were a number of emails (at least one of which was represented by a screenshot).

Answered in the later posted Twitter link. The serial number for the hard drive (an external HD) is from a repair document.

The external HD was used to try to recover data, if I understand correctly. A difference in terms of less than a month for the warranty seems not that troubling, but I don't know how these things work.

Silly Green Monkey 19th October 2020 04:23 PM

Stupid like teleporting three thousand miles from California to Delaware, to find the only blind computer repair technician in the country who wouldn't get so much as a signature to connect a paper trail between him and his computer?

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey (Post 13263010)
Stupid like teleporting three thousand miles from California to Delaware, to find the only blind computer repair technician in the country who wouldn't get so much as a signature to connect a paper trail between him and his computer?


Hunter Biden is from Delaware, and his father lives in Delaware. So it's not exactly a good argument that his residence in California would mean he never travels to Delaware.

Regarding the "legally blind" nonsense https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/leg...in%20one%20eye. it's a poor attempt to discredit this story.

Not sure why you think there is no signature.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 13263009)
The metadata I heard about was regarding the PDF representing the email, which would of course be irrelevant. But I heard that in passing and won't swear it's correct.



How does someone have the serial number of the harddrive? I thought that the only things made public were a number of emails (at least one of which was represented by a screenshot).

Answered in the later posted Twitter link. The serial number for the hard drive (an external HD) is from a repair document.

The external HD was used to try to recover data, if I understand correctly. A difference in terms of less than a month for the warranty seems not that troubling, but I don't know how these things work.

That's assuming it wasn't a 5 year warranty. The twitter poster conceded that point down thread, he was assuming a 3 year warranty.

Babbylonian 19th October 2020 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13263013)
Hunter Biden is from Delaware, and his father lives in Delaware. So it's not exactly a good argument that his residence in California would mean he never travels to Delaware.

Someone living in California wouldn't leave a personal computer in a repair shop on the east coast, if only because it would be wildly inconvenient. That this doesn't give you pause shows that you'll argue anything in order to excuse this entirely implausible story. Literally, the only people who believe it are the tragically stupid. The rest of those claiming the story is credible are doing so in an effort to slander Joe Biden by the fact that he has a son who has had problems; they (likely including you) know the story is BS but are in a desperate, immoral frame of mind...like all "conservatives."

Minoosh 19th October 2020 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13262992)
Hunter Biden has an admitted history of drug abuse. That you chose to challenge that fact isn't going to work out well for you.

Is that what you think happened?

fishbob 19th October 2020 05:13 PM

Getting back to Barr - where is he and how is he doing?
His condition may be the bigger October surprise.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13263036)
Someone living in California wouldn't leave a personal computer in a repair shop on the east coast, if only because it would be wildly inconvenient. That this doesn't give you pause shows that you'll argue anything in order to excuse this entirely implausible story. Literally, the only people who believe it are the tragically stupid. The rest of those claiming the story is credible are doing so in an effort to slander Joe Biden by the fact that he has a son who has had problems; they (likely including you) know the story is BS but are in a desperate, immoral frame of mind...like all "conservatives."


You're opinion that it would be "inconvenient" for a millionaire drug addict doesn't really hold muster. There is no evidence that what the repair man says happened, didn't. Otherwise you would post it. We have the claims of the repair man, the FBI taking the hardware through a grand jury subpoena, the repair man giving copies away when nothing came of it, we have Biden's attorney asking for the hardware back.

We have no denial from Biden that the hardware wasn't his. Face it, it's looking more and more like the laptop was left by a drug addict. It's not that complicated.

Babbylonian 19th October 2020 05:42 PM

Wow. Now, a grand jury has been empanelled? How many lies are you going to push?

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13263080)
Wow. Now, a grand jury has been empanelled? How many lies are you going to push?

You think the repair guy is lying about the FBI requesting the hardware through a grand jury subpoena? You think the subpoena was faked too?

"The FBI seized the laptop and a hard drive through a grand jury subpoena. The subpoena was later published by the New York Post. The bureau has declined to comment."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...reign-n1243620

You seem to be the one pushing lies.

fishbob 19th October 2020 05:46 PM

Chain of logic:

"We have the claims of . . . " but no evidence.
Claims by extremely disreputable characters, but no evidence.
Evidence free claims.
Freedom from evidence.
Freedom is A Merkin as you can git, so hang him.

I Am The Scum 19th October 2020 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13263061)
We have no denial from Biden that the hardware wasn't his. Face it, it's looking more and more like the laptop was left by a drug addict. It's not that complicated.

That's not how the burden of proof works.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishbob (Post 13263086)
Chain of logic:

"We have the claims of . . . " but no evidence.
Claims by extremely disreputable characters, but no evidence.
Evidence free claims.
Freedom from evidence.
Freedom is A Merkin as you can git, so hang him.

Sure sure, the pictures are of a second Hunter Biden, kind of like the second Oswald huh?

The grand jury subpoena was faked by the FBI wasn't it?

The email chain which was confirmed by others contacted in the chain is not real, because the email was fake, and therefore the confirming party is lying.

The repair guy is lying.

Hunter Biden would never physically go to Delaware. And theoretically, if he did, drug addicts are known for stable behavior and being responsible individuals. However Hunter Biden would never do drugs, so........FAKE I tell you!

Biden's attorney didn't call the repair shop, that was a fake call. And the email sent to the repair man from Biden's attorney is also fake.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum (Post 13263091)
That's not how the burden of proof works.

No one said that.

Stacyhs 19th October 2020 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum (Post 13263091)
That's not how the burden of proof works.

It's amazing how many people think a person must prove their innocence and not that an accuser must prove a person's guilt. It's so much easier to accuse someone of something than it is for that person to prove the accusation isn't true.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13263105)
It's amazing how many people think a person must prove their innocence and not that an accuser must prove a person's guilt. It's so much easier to accuse someone of something than it is for that person to prove the accusation isn't true.

No one said that either.

I Am The Scum 19th October 2020 06:19 PM

I definitely trust this guy. Why don't you?

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum (Post 13263111)
I definitely trust this guy. Why don't you?


Am I the only one who thinks he could play Mr Magoo?

I Am The Scum 19th October 2020 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13263124)
Am I the only one who thinks he could play Mr Magoo?

You mean he isn't?

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13263105)
It's amazing how many people think a person must prove their innocence and not that an accuser must prove a person's guilt. It's so much easier to accuse someone of something than it is for that person to prove the accusation isn't true.

That works for the repair man too though.

Giordano 19th October 2020 06:35 PM

Let’s see:

Under intense pressure by Trump Giuliani has been searching for years to get something on Biden. There is USA counter intelligence evidence that the Russians have been feeding him disinformation to do do.

Giuliani gets a phone call from an obscure computer repair store. He buys into the bizarre story and shops it to the Post because he felt more legitimate newspapers would find it to smelly to touch. He stated that in his opinion there is a 50/50 chance that it is Russian disinformation but that he doesn’t care.

The primary reporter in charge of it thought it was so questionable that he refused to put his name on it despite it would make him famous if true. Similarly many other members of the Post news staff found it highly questionable despite the Post being a primary source of attacks on Biden.

There is evidence the drive was manufactured after the alleged emails were installed on it.

The metadata similarly indicates the emails on it were written in Eastern Europe after the alleged dates Hunter supposedly wrote them.

The computer repair person says he couldn’t recognize the person dropping off the drives. But somehow later decided to scan the drive (remember he had no reason to suspect it had anything of interest on it) and contact Giuliani.


But sure, looks like a smoking gun to me.

xjx388 19th October 2020 06:41 PM

Why would a “millionaire drug addict” be dropping off a laptop at a rinky-dink repair shop? That part makes very little sense. People with money own or work for companies who have IT departments. If they want to do something below the radar, they have friends and connections who can help. Using some unknown shop in Delaware doesn’t fit.

Giordano 19th October 2020 06:43 PM

Not only do I wonder why Hunter would drop off an external hard drive across the country from where he lives but that he would bother to have an external backup drive repaired at all. They cost a few hundred bucks to buy a new one. If data extraction was his primary goal it makes no sense that he would not go back to get the data.

Giordano 19th October 2020 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13263138)
Why would a “millionaire drug addict” be dropping off a laptop at a rinky-dink repair shop? That part makes very little sense. People with money own or work for companies who have IT departments. If they want to do something below the radar, they have friends and connections who can help. Using some unknown shop in Delaware doesn’t fit.

Exactly!

pgwenthold 19th October 2020 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13263138)
Why would a “millionaire drug addict” be dropping off a laptop at a rinky-dink repair shop? That part makes very little sense. People with money own or work for companies who have IT departments. If they want to do something below the radar, they have friends and connections who can help. Using some unknown shop in Delaware doesn’t fit.

What's so important on the hard drives that he'd even bother getting them repaired? Much less getting 3 of them repaired.

I have a bunch of abandoned laptops. Laptops die and you get a new one. And I'm not a millionaire

varwoche 19th October 2020 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13262992)
Hunter Biden has an admitted history of drug abuse. That you chose to challenge that fact isn't going to work out well for you. You spoke as though you were an expert. He clearly fell asleep with a DOPE pipe in his mouth. How's that?

How bleakly amusing. My "expertise" is based on readily available reporting.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 07:25 PM

I love all the "why" questions as to why a (insert "crack" or "meth") addict would.............

as if the actions of a (insert "crack" or "meth") addict is in any way rational, cognizant, or explainable.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13263177)
How bleakly amusing. My "expertise" is based on readily available reporting.


That's funny, you provided nothing. Meanwhile

https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/m...on/meth-mouth/

Giordano 19th October 2020 07:36 PM

Double post.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 13263203)
Let’s see:

Under intense pressure by Trump Giuliani has been searching for years to get something on Biden. There is USA counter intelligence evidence that the Russians have been feeding him disinformation to do do.

Giuliani finally (surprise) gets a phone call from an obscure computer repair shop in the middle of nowhere.

Giuliani buys into the bizarre story and shops it to the Post because he felt more legitimate newspapers would find it too smelly to touch. He stated that in his opinion there is a 50/50 chance that it is Russian disinformation but that he doesn’t care.

The primary reporter in charge of it thought it was so questionable that he refused to put his name on it despite it might make him famous if true. Similarly many other members of the Post news staff found it highly questionable despite the Post being well funded for its attacks on Biden.

There is evidence the drive was manufactured after the alleged emails were installed on it.

The metadata similarly indicates the emails on it were written in Eastern Europe after the alleged dates Hunter supposedly wrote them.

The computer repair person says he couldn’t recognize the person dropping off the drives. But somehow later decided to scan the drive (remember he had no reason to suspect it had anything of interest on it) and contacts Giuliani.


But sure, looks like a smoking gun to me.

You are either lying or misinformed with some of this.

Silly Green Monkey 19th October 2020 07:41 PM

Like what?

Giordano 19th October 2020 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13263214)
You are either lying or misinformed with some of this.

Have you been keeping up with the thread and the links cited in it?

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey (Post 13263215)
Like what?

I'll eventually get to more but for starters he says

"Giuliani buys into the bizarre story and shops it to the Post because he felt more legitimate newspapers would find it too smelly to touch. He stated that in his opinion there is a 50/50 chance that it is Russian disinformation but that he doesn’t care."

Complete fabrication and conflating

"Sure, the U.S. Treasury Department may have declared one of his former associates—Ukrainian parliamentarian Andrii Derkach, who worked with Giuliani on his hunt for dirt on the Bidens—to be an “active Russian agent.” But that’s some Deep State talk, he added. “The chance that Derkach is a Russian spy is no better than 50/50.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-g...dirt-on-bidens

So, as we can see, Giuliani was referring to whether Andrii Derkach was an "active Russian agent." Not on whether the emails were Russian disinformation. To that, Giuliani says B.S.

There is a lot to unpack in that post.

1. "The metadata similarly indicates the emails on it were written in Eastern Europe after the alleged dates Hunter supposedly wrote them."

Can I get a cite for this claim? As I understand it, the emails haven't been released, so how can anyone ascertain any metadata?

2. "There is evidence the drive was manufactured after the alleged emails were installed on it."

Can I get a cite for this claim?

3."The computer repair person says he couldn’t recognize the person dropping off the drives. But somehow later decided to scan the drive (remember he had no reason to suspect it had anything of interest on it) and contacts Giuliani."

Let's see what he actually said.

"Isaac said the man who he believes to be Hunter Biden dropped off three laptops at his store in April 2019, only one of which was salvageable. While repairing the laptop, Isaac said he discovered disturbing material."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...paul-mac-isaac

4. "Giuliani finally (surprise) gets a phone call from an obscure computer repair shop in the middle of nowhere."

Now, what the repair man says happened,

"In September, he contacted an intermediary about the emails. The intermediary then contacted the FBI.
Isaac said the intermediary is an American citizen who he has known for decades, but declined to provide further details about their identity."

and

"According to Isaac’s account, the FBI first made a forensic copy of the laptop, then returned weeks later with a subpoena and confiscated it. When he stopped hearing from the FBI, Isaac said he contacted several members of Congress, who did not respond. At that point, his intermediary reached out to Rudy Giuliani’s attorney, Robert Costello."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...paul-mac-isaac

I think that's enough to either get some cites from Giordano to back up his claims, or come to the conclusion he isn't interested in what actually happened and is just throwing the proverbial doo doo at the wall hoping something will stick.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 13263230)
Have you been keeping up with the thread and the links cited in it?

Yes, have you? Obviously not.

Giordano 19th October 2020 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13263238)
I'll eventually get to more but for starters he says

"Giuliani buys into the bizarre story and shops it to the Post because he felt more legitimate newspapers would find it too smelly to touch. He stated that in his opinion there is a 50/50 chance that it is Russian disinformation but that he doesn’t care."

Complete fabrication and conflating

"Sure, the U.S. Treasury Department may have declared one of his former associates—Ukrainian parliamentarian Andrii Derkach, who worked with Giuliani on his hunt for dirt on the Bidens—to be an “active Russian agent.” But that’s some Deep State talk, he added. “The chance that Derkach is a Russian spy is no better than 50/50.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-g...dirt-on-bidens

So, as we can see, Giuliani was referring to whether Andrii Derkach was an "active Russian agent." Not on whether the emails were Russian disinformation. To that, Giuliani says B.S.

There is a lot to unpack in that post.

1. "The metadata similarly indicates the emails on it were written in Eastern Europe after the alleged dates Hunter supposedly wrote them."

Can I get a cite for this claim? As I understand it, the emails haven't been released, so how can anyone ascertain any metadata?

2. "There is evidence the drive was manufactured after the alleged emails were installed on it."

Can I get a cite for this claim?

3."The computer repair person says he couldn’t recognize the person dropping off the drives. But somehow later decided to scan the drive (remember he had no reason to suspect it had anything of interest on it) and contacts Giuliani."

Let's see what he actually said.

"Isaac said the man who he believes to be Hunter Biden dropped off three laptops at his store in April 2019, only one of which was salvageable. While repairing the laptop, Isaac said he discovered disturbing material."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...paul-mac-isaac

4. "Giuliani finally (surprise) gets a phone call from an obscure computer repair shop in the middle of nowhere."

Now, what the repair man says happened,

"In September, he contacted an intermediary about the emails. The intermediary then contacted the FBI.
Isaac said the intermediary is an American citizen who he has known for decades, but declined to provide further details about their identity."

and

"According to Isaac’s account, the FBI first made a forensic copy of the laptop, then returned weeks later with a subpoena and confiscated it. When he stopped hearing from the FBI, Isaac said he contacted several members of Congress, who did not respond. At that point, his intermediary reached out to Rudy Giuliani’s attorney, Robert Costello."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...paul-mac-isaac

I think that's enough to either get some cites from Giordano to back up his claims, or come to the conclusion he isn't interested in what actually happened and is just throwing the proverbial doo doo at the wall hoping something will stick.

So you haven’t been keeping up with the thread or the external links I and others have been citing it it. That explains a lot.

Just look upthread. I will not be duplicating the information I’ve already documented.

BTW I love your spin.. Giuliani didn’t state that chances were 50/50 that this was a Russian disinformation campaign, just that chances were 50/50 that Derkach, the person who worked with him for all this time to obtain all these anti- Biden smears, was an Russian agent. Oh, that changes everything! Perhaps they were just playing chess. And the Counterpro warnings that Giuliani was a pawn being fed Russian disinformation, was just another example of the evil deep state. I didn’t bother to mention the FBI’s role because they are apparently investigating this as possible Russian interference, not an argument in your favor.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 13263260)
So you haven’t been keeping up with the thread or the external links I and others have been citing it it. That explains a lot.

Just look upthread. I will not be duplicating the information I’ve already documented.

BTW I love your spin.. Giuliani didn’t state that chances were 50/50 that this was a Russian disinformation campaign, just that chances were 50/50 that Derkach, the person who worked with him for all this time to obtain all these anti- Biden smears, was an Russian agent. Oh, that changes everything! Perhaps they were just playing chess. And the Counterpronnwarnings that Giuliani was a pawn being fed Russian disinformation, was just another example of the evil deep state.

You obviously have no answer. There are no cites which back up your claims. And still lying about the 50/50 even after being provided cites. You aren't serious, and will be treated as such.

Regnad Kcin 19th October 2020 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by timhau (Post 13259835)
But... but... his emails!!

timhau, Pith lord.

jerrywayne 19th October 2020 08:56 PM

Ratcliffe promised to be non-partisan at his confirmation hearing. Guess he had his fingers crossed.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckra...mp-re-election

Ziggurat 19th October 2020 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by xjx388 (Post 13263138)
Why would a “millionaire drug addict” be dropping off a laptop at a rinky-dink repair shop? That part makes very little sense. People with money own or work for companies who have IT departments. If they want to do something below the radar, they have friends and connections who can help. Using some unknown shop in Delaware doesn’t fit.

Hunter isn't known for making smart life decisions.

Giordano 19th October 2020 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13263261)
You obviously have no answer. There are no cites which back up your claims. And still lying about the 50/50 even after being provided cites. You aren't serious, and will be treated as such.

Here’s one:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...disinfo-430276

Here is another:
https://www.businessinsider.com/giul...an-spy-2020-10

I am not going to cite each Point I made because as I stated the citations are all upthread.

Ziggurat 19th October 2020 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13262986)
Does the drug part actually matter?

It's relevant to the question of what state of mind would be required to drop off a laptop at a repair shop and never come back to pick it up.

But meth vs. crack/cocaine probably doesn't matter. He has admitted to the latter, he may or may not have done the former.

TahiniBinShawarma 19th October 2020 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 13263286)
Here’s one:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...disinfo-430276

Here is another:
https://www.businessinsider.com/giul...an-spy-2020-10

I am not going to cite each Point I made because as I stated the citations are all upthread.


Obviously trolling. Neither article supports your claim. Not sure what you're expecting to accomplish being this dishonest.

Lurch 19th October 2020 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13263191)
I love all the "why" questions as to why a (insert "crack" or "meth") addict would.............

as if the actions of a (insert "crack" or "meth") addict is in any way rational, cognizant, or explainable.

You're clinging to the drugs aspect in the way Ghouliani and co are hoping will sell their setup. That being: Even a well heeled dopehead with access and means will, in his addled state, do something so outlandish as this hare-brained story they've cooked up.

If only they could have roped in someone more convincing and better placed than this hapless shmuck, this marginally useful idiot running a hole-in-the-wall 'puter repair joint.

The Great Zaganza 19th October 2020 09:37 PM

Being reported that Fox refused the laptop story because it was too fishy.

Giordano 19th October 2020 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13263292)
Obviously trolling. Neither article supports your claim. Not sure what you're expecting to accomplish being this dishonest.

Are you reading these links? Well I will not be your monkey dancing to your organ playing. I will just let the other members read the actual cites and see who agrees with whose interpretation.

timhau 19th October 2020 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 13263281)
Hunter isn't known for making smart life decisions.

... and so we get to the fantastic get-home-free pass at the heart of so many conspiracy theories: Like the putting telltale Illuminati signs in at Denver Airport, it's not smart, not necessary and not the easiest thing to do, but they just do it.

Silly Green Monkey 19th October 2020 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13263238)
I'll eventually get to more but for starters he says

"Giuliani buys into the bizarre story and shops it to the Post because he felt more legitimate newspapers would find it too smelly to touch. He stated that in his opinion there is a 50/50 chance that it is Russian disinformation but that he doesn’t care."

Complete fabrication and conflating

"Sure, the U.S. Treasury Department may have declared one of his former associates—Ukrainian parliamentarian Andrii Derkach, who worked with Giuliani on his hunt for dirt on the Bidens—to be an “active Russian agent.” But that’s some Deep State talk, he added. “The chance that Derkach is a Russian spy is no better than 50/50.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-g...dirt-on-bidens

Good God, even just this little part is horrifying. Really, he can't guarantee more than a flip of a coin that he's NOT working with a foreign agent of a country that interfered in our last election and would have no reason to suddenly stop interfering in this one? Fifty-fifty is the best he can offer?!

Ziggurat 19th October 2020 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timhau (Post 13263298)
... and so we get to the fantastic get-home-free pass at the heart of so many conspiracy theories: Like the putting telltale Illuminati signs in at Denver Airport, it's not smart, not necessary and not the easiest thing to do, but they just do it.

There's no "they". It's one person, Hunter. And he's a moron.

Babbylonian 19th October 2020 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 13263308)
There's no "they". It's one person, Hunter. And he's a moron.

At least one part of this is on the verge of truth: None if this has anything to do with Joe Biden.

timhau 19th October 2020 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 13263308)
There's no "they". It's one person, Hunter. And he's a moron.

Yes, changing the pronoun obviously makes all the difference. Ann Dunham also credibly flew to Kenya for delivery because she wasn't "they".


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