Which Biden are you referring to here? There is no evidence that Joe Biden is covering any pornography up, much less anything else. If turns out that HUNTER Biden engaged in sex with a 14 year old, he should have the book thrown at him. But it would have nothing to do with Joe Biden.

This "scandal" is amazing, even by today's standards.

It started with "Biden has met some guy from Burisma".

When it became clear that this meeting never happened, it became "Biden, the Big Guy, may have been involved in a business scheme in China".

Now that it appears that some guy vaguely related to the Trump campaign (wait, his name is, I have it on the tip of my lips, ah yes, Donald J. Trump) has actual business interests in China, it went into PizzaGate territory: "there is child porn on the computer".

Evidence? None whatsoever.

All they want is trigger a"Comey letter" moment, find someone at the DOJ release a statement that the "thing" is under investigation.

It seems that the narrative is that the parent is responsible for the (alleged) sins of their children no matter how old the child is.

If Hunter Biden had a substance abuse problem then it must be a fault with his genes (unlike President Trump who has the best genes) and/or his upbringing (unlike the Trump children who have had the perfect childhood).

The fact that Hunter Biden has unfounded allegations of possession of possessing child pornography and being a hebephile or ephebophile indicates that there must be something terribly wrong with him - there's no smoke without fire - which again must be a problem with his genes or upbringing. :rolleyes:

Please note however, this only applies to the children of prominent Democrats.

You've switched from saying that you don't believe it doesn't happen to saying that you don't believe it should happen. Those are two very different statements.

One is a statement about what I think should happen, hence I used the word "should". The other is a statement about what I believed happen, hence the word "believe".

Meh, the take I heard is that the tale is so obviously false that it's too sloppy to be Russian disinformation, and is instead likely someone trying to imitate it. I can believe that. We'll see.

Mind you, the source is Fox News, and Garrett is just repeating it. As I said, we'll see.

[edit]Here's the story. Note the source of their information:

Yes, dear. That's literally what I've just said.

He doesn't seem to have had the book thrown at him though, does he? 10 months later and nothing. The story will be that this was covered up to protect Biden. Of course it will be a problem for Biden if this comes out.

That link also has him quoted as saying that he chose to give it to the NTP because he knew they wouldn't try to verify the story before publishing.

This lot really do say the quiet part out loud, don't they?

Delaware state police have issued a statement saying that they turned it all over to the FBI because of the questions around the credibility of the claims

Well, that's a vindication of Giuliani if ever I read one.

I'm guessing that the story will now change to "Yes the allegations were completely false, but the fact that it got some traction means that Hunter Biden and the whole Biden family are dodgy as hell" :rolleyes:

In other words even though these specific allegations are unfounded, there could very well be other allegations which may not be unfounded but the Deep State has covered them up.

I was about to comment something on the lines of "Watch the child porn stuff to move from 'if'- to fact column eventually", and then ....

The only thing that mildly surprises me is that this happened on the very next thread page.

They know it works, look at Obama's birth certificate insanity, or Clinton murdering someone, no matter how ridiculous the story it's the repetition that creates a perception in people who usually aren't that interested in the details of political stories.

You are reading more into my statements than I put into them. Giuliani is claiming that there are inappropriate pictures of children on the laptop, plus a discussion between Hunter and Joe about Hunter's sister in law/lover complaining about Hunter facetiming some 14 year old naked. The story that I expect to be pushed would be that this was covered up. I think you are misreading my "the story will be" statement to be something like "the real truth will be revealed to be". That isn't what I'm claiming.

As to damaging links to Biden. You have a conversation between Hunter and Joe talking about Hunter's sister in law/lover complaining about him facetiming a 14 year old naked, plus tomgirls(?to my girls?) various while smoking crack, and creating an unsafe environment. I can see that being used next to those images of Joe sniffing young girls hair. You then have the claim that Joe was taking half of Hunter's money. You've got people at the state department complaining about how corrupt Hunter's position in Burisma made them look. Ignoring the media blackout, this doesn't look like something you'd want swirling around your candidate.

Watching the Giuliani interview where he talks about this, he doesn't say CP. That probably gives a way to claim to debunk it by saying that it isn't actually CP.

I don't think Trump's [i]getting[i] Giuliani to do any thing : Giuliani's desperate to be involved and a hero again, which means he'll believe anything and makes him a perfect conduit.

"Major Garrett
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The FBI & DOJ concur with DNI Ratcliffe’s assessment that Hunter Biden's laptop and the emails in question were not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. FBI does has possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question.

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Nothing about FoxNews

https://twitter.com/JakeBGibson/stat...75041924665344

Giuliani may have some criminal culpability here depending on how the images got on the computer. The law usually applies a "reasonable person" standard to things like how long you have to turn over something illegal after discovering it. If Giuliani had the material for a while and waited to turn it over to the Delaware State Police he's probably got a problem with possession of child pornography if there is any on the drive.

It is entirely likely that Giuliani is responsible for putting any images on the drive or was aware said images were on the drive. If that's the case, there are a whole bunch of new charges that could be coming the former mayor's way.

Steve Bannon strikes again.

"YouTube, Google's video subsidiary, is providing massive distribution to a 22-minute video packed with disinformation about Joe Biden and his son, Hunter. The video, which appeared on Sky News Australia, features Steve Bannon, formerly a top adviser to Trump, who was charged with fraud and money laundering by federal prosecutors in August. Among other things, Bannon, who is currently free on bail, falsely claims a trove of emails prove Joe Biden has "real business" with the Chinese Communist Party and could not receive a security clearance.

The segment has been viewed 2.9 million times on YouTube in two days and is being heavily promoted by YouTube's algorithm. At the same time, YouTube is running ads from the Trump campaign at the top of its homepage. Those ads feature another video about the Bidens with similar misinformation.

Bannon's interview concerns a series of articles published by the New York Post that allegedly disclose emails and other materials from Hunter Biden's laptop. Rudy Guiliani, Trump's lawyer, says he obtained the hard drive from a computer repair shop in Delaware. The repair shop owner claims Hunter Biden dropped off the laptop and never retrieved it. Both Sky News Australia and the New York Post are owned by Rupert Murdoch, the right-wing media mogul."

https://popular.info/p/steve-bannons..._content=share

I think anyone using child porn to gain political advantage is a bad person yes.

So this is what we are going to have to pretend to care about because the Conspiracy Theorist won't shut up at the Republicans about it being the new hotness?

Hunter Biden for no reason flew across the country to give his "childporn government secret shady business dealings" laptop to a random guy that just happened to be friends with Guilani?

It's just QAnon nonsense.

Giuliani gets a screenshot of an email from a "copy" of a hard drive, that he won't let anyone but a right wing tabloid examine by the way, from a guy who thinks he's going to get Seth Riched and tries to jam it into the national media for a week. When that doesn't work, oh by the way, there's child porn on it. So it gets turned into the FBI, who they claim already have the original.

It's ******* stupid and it's getting more stupid.

Isn't it 10 minutes from Joe's house?

He hasn't been proved that Hunter has engaged in sex with a minor or that there actually are pornographic photos of him with a minor either. Or did I miss that announcement? Seems to me you've got him tried and convicted on nothing but the say so of Giuliani, Bannon, and reports that the FBI is investigating this as a possible misinformation campaign.

I don't know. I also don't care. You're just gonna believe whatever Brietbart and OANN and TotallyNotFakeNews.Rus tells you anyway.

Isn't it actually in Joe's basement and <<insert some other new "facts" here if the previous ones didn't work>>?

"IT'S SPARKLING WINE NOT CHAMPAGNE!"

This has nothing to do with Brietbart or the others. I Googled it. It's the local computer repair shop. You wrote a post about how wildly improbably it was that he would go to this random repair shop thousands of miles away from anywhere he would reasonably be. I looked up where Joe Biden lives, looked up where the repair shop is and it's just down the road from Joe's house.

What's the objection to true facts here? JoeMorgue was repeating claims that there was no reason for him to fly all the way across the country to drop the laptop off at a random repair shop. I am correcting him, that it is the repair shop local to Hunter's dad.

Is there any evidence placing Hunter in Greenville, Delaware at the time the computers were left at the repair shop? I've heard none.

It's Delaware, it's a small state. But it's still not the state Hunter Biden lived in at the time. What, you think Hunter stays at Dad's house when he goes to Delaware?

You're still trying very hard to find some way to accept this extremely improbable story when even those telling the story can't keep their story straight. Why?

FWIW, I thought you were making a funny by saying it was 10 minutes away from JoeMorgue's house.

... and also local to Hunter, with a margin of error of 2500 miles or so.

It's not close to Hunter Biden's house, and it's not an authorized Apple repair shop, and the signatures don't match, and the repair shop guy has given 3 conflicting stories about who dropped the laptop off and what he did when it was dropped off.

But gullible people really really wanna buy this story...

You said Hunter should have the book thrown at him if it turns out that what you describe happened. I am pointing out that the FBI have sat on this for 10 months and haven't thrown the book at him. My post is predicated on your "IF". As I explained in another post. The story I refer to is the one that I expect Giuliani/Trump to push, not a claim about what actually happened or what 100 years from now history will have decided happened. I'm not assuming anybody's guilt here. In the final sentence I say "if" as well.

You are reading things into my posts that aren't there.

It seems like there are lots of people who could now prove Giuliani wrong if he's wrong here, but they aren't.

Giuliani is still promising the big reveal 10 days before the election. What ever happens here will be entertaining. Maybe that's what Joe is waiting for to implode Giuliani's house of cards?

:-) No, but I can see how it would have read that way.

Except when he is visiting is parents, when it is only about 4 miles down the road.

I think that points to a certain conclusion that you seem to be reluctant to make.

QAnonsense?

I'm not reluctant to make it. They could be for all I know. It's more that if the files on the laptop are somehow fake, then it raises all sorts of other questions. We are told by all of these reliable ex-FBI agents that the FBI knew that the Russians were trying to trick Trump into accepting disinformation about Biden. The FBI then find out about a specific attempt to inject disinformation into the election, and they don't tell Trump? Or they did tell Trump and Trump is lying? It's a mess. Trump is sticking his neck out and pushing the DoJ to explain themselves. They should. If the Trump campaign has been lying here, that is appalling. If the Biden family have been involved in what is alleged, that is appalling. If the FBI have sat on this and allowed it to play out, that is appalling.

Trump is still a **** president and human being.

Hunter Biden's escapades in Ukraine however many years ago with unsubstantiated claims three weeks before the election doesn't make Biden not a better choice than Trump.

The desperation of Trump's apologists is getting dangerous.

His presence in Delaware at the time or not, as mentioned several times, is very easy to establish. Cell phone record, credit cards, flight records, etc.

I agree. That's a different issue though to JoeMorgue's claims about how far away Hunter's house was from the the repair shop that is down the road from his dad's house.

I assume that the FBI already know whether Hunter's credit card was used, or he was in the area. That's the positive side of them having had the laptop for 10 months. If they don't, then we are back to it being appalling.

That's fine for somebody who is adamant about that perspective. There are clearly people who are less certain though, and this might be important in their decision making.

Why do you assume that? Personal records require subpoenas/warrants and there remains no evidence that either Biden is the subject of a criminal investigation.

OK, unpacking this.... the scenario then that we have is, what? The Russians somehow set up the laptop? Or this repair guy photoshops/hacks the pictures and emails himself, passes that onto the FBI. You guys seem convinced by the FBI investigating whether the laptop is Russian disinformation angle. You don't think they would have bothered to find out who paid for the laptop? Who originally bought the laptop? Whether somehow Hunter dropped off a legitimate laptop and it was then modified?

Is the idea that the FBI discovered an attempt to interfere with the election and filed it away like the Ark of the Covenant at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark?

:jaw-dropp

That's how stupid these people are. :rolleyes:

I'm sure they do. That they are investigating it as a Russian misinformation campaign should tell you something.

AGAIN, warnings about Giuliani went out. We are also not privy to either the details of the FBI investigation or the extent of information passed on from the FBI to other government agencies.

As far as keeping the information secret, why wouldn't they? If the evidence was planted to screw with the election, releasing or even commenting on it would affect the election. It's possible that those currently in charge of the FBI have no interest in being Comey 2020.

By George, I think you're on to something.

You do know you are wasting your time, right?

Look over in the "Trump's Taxes" thread for the real Oct surprise. The NYT scooped Giulani's surprise with a new revelation as they promised. Bwahahahahaha.