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Archie Gemmill Goal 16th March 2019 03:07 AM

Brexit: Now What? 7th heaven...
 
Remember those ferry contracts?

They were all dated to start March 29th. And there's no scope to change the date.

Jesus wept.

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Henri McPhee 16th March 2019 03:26 AM

There is an interesting comment in the book Imperial Economic Unity by Lord Melchett in 1930, which applies to Brexit and tariff negotiations with the EU now:

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The one a Customs Union with the United States of America which would result in our ultimately becoming a mere subsidiary unit, the other a Customs Union with Europe...

catsmate 16th March 2019 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal (Post 12634557)
Remember those ferry contracts?

They were all dated to start March 29th. And there's no scope to change the date.

Jesus wept.

With the current UKGov would you touch an indefinitely dated contract?

3point14 16th March 2019 03:55 AM

From: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/03/1...-for-march-to/

"Around 100 people assembled in Sunderland, the first city to vote in favour of exiting the European Union on the night of the 2016 referendum, in order to start the event."



Two points -

1 - Will of the people, my arse.
2. Why do I have to get this info from AOL?

Lothian 16th March 2019 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3point14 (Post 12634617)
From: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/03/1...-for-march-to/

"Around 100 people assembled in Sunderland, the first city to vote in favour of exiting the European Union on the night of the 2016 referendum, in order to start the event."



Two points -

1 - Will of the people, my arse.
2. Why do I have to get this info from AOL?

100, Sunderland football team in the third tier of English football have had 46,000 watching them this year. Clearly this has captured the local imaginations. Mind I suspect the locals working at Nissan have woken up to realise project fear has come true as many of them are now looking forward to redundancy following the firm's move of production since the vote.

Still, on the bright side, it is pissing it down in the North East today. Horrible day to be out walking.

Lothian 16th March 2019 04:19 AM

Just read a news report on Farage's March.
It is due to arrive in London on the day that we probably will not be leaving.
They are skipping out bits of the route,
They are being accompanied by two vans sponsored by 'Led by donkeys' an anti brexit group.
Farage' won't be walking much of it.

P.J. Denyer 16th March 2019 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 12634627)
Just read a news report on Farage's March.
It is due to arrive in London on the day that we probably will not be leaving.
They are skipping out bits of the route,
They are being accompanied by two vans sponsored by 'Led by donkeys' an anti brexit group.
Farage' won't be walking much of it.

So the people following Farrage are being sponsored by.. It's beyond parody isn't it.

Captain_Swoop 16th March 2019 12:04 PM

Film from the Here is the start of the march with 'Led By Donkeys' mobile hoardings in the background displaying quotes by Farage.

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status...82125574402049

Captain_Swoop 16th March 2019 12:06 PM

Someone posted more film of the marchers. By lunch time there were only about 30 of them left, trudging through the rain.

Someone asked "Where are they now?"

the reply was "About 1953"

Norman Alexander 16th March 2019 12:57 PM

They have been given 50 pounds each for food and lodging for the whole journey. That is, the WHOLE journey. ...LOL. :D Won't even buy them a round for the team at the pub first night.

That means the diehards will have to pay for themselves. Which means Nigel expects them to beat themselves to a pulp on this marathon in the pouring rain and east coast wind, and pay for it all themselves. Not that he will join them, of course, the skiving bastard. He's on the bus or the train instead. Common man indeed.


Meanwhile, and it is so hard to watch, UK parliament is trying desperately not to get eaten by the huge angry bear which has backed them into the corner and they are all trying to shove someone else in front of each other as protection.

catsmate 16th March 2019 01:48 PM

Would I be considered a bad person for hoping for sleet and snow?

GlennB 16th March 2019 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 12635039)
Would I be considered a bad person for hoping for sleet and snow?

Yes. Join the club :)

Captain_Swoop 16th March 2019 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12634987)
They have been given 50 pounds each for food and lodging for the whole journey. That is, the WHOLE journey. ...LOL. :D Won't even buy them a round for the team at the pub first night.

No, they have to PAY 50 to join the march!

Captain_Swoop 16th March 2019 03:35 PM

Duplicate

Norman Alexander 16th March 2019 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12635176)
No, they have to PAY 50 to join the march!

Who to? Nigel? So he pockets ... 1500 pounds and doesn't even go with them? Well, doesn't that say all there needs to say about the thieving little ******.

Hungry81 16th March 2019 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12635188)
Who to? Nigel? So he pockets ... 1500 pounds and doesn't even go with them? Well, doesn't that say all there needs to say about the thieving little ******.

It says all it needs to say about his moron die hard supporters.

3point14 16th March 2019 05:13 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-47595598

You'll note that the BBC is very careful not to mentin any actual numbers.

Sky seemed to do the same earlier, with lots of tight, ground level shots that couldn't possibly betray the size of the crowd. Sorry, 'crowd'.


I don't know why I'm shocked, to be fair.

SezMe 16th March 2019 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12634943)
Film from the Here is the start of the march with 'Led By Donkeys' mobile hoardings in the background displaying quotes by Farage.

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status...82125574402049

That's a lively step they've got there. I'd wager many, many pounds that that won't keep up for long. :)

Captain_Swoop 17th March 2019 01:27 AM

Kate Hoey MP Tweeted

Kate Hoey
‏Verified account
@KateHoeyMP

Proud to have taken part in the first day of #marchtoleave MP’s should not underestimate the anger millions of people feel about a potential betrayal #politicswillchange

Captain_Swoop 17th March 2019 01:29 AM

78.6% of Kate Hoey's South London constituency voted for remain.

Garrison 17th March 2019 04:04 AM

And May is banging on about 'compromise', which appears to mean voting for her plan at the 3rd time of asking, because that's democratic while a 2nd referendum isn't, and yet compromise seems to mean nothing more than handing out a few extra bribes to get some MPs to change their votes and ignore the disastrous consequences of Brexit for the country as a whole.

Nessie 17th March 2019 04:04 AM

All those claims a second referendum is undemocratic.

1 - if leave lost by 48% to 52%, they would be campaigning for a second referendum
2 - the SNP would love to have another independence referendum
3 - there were devolution referendums in Scotland & Wales in 1979 and then 1997

On a similar lines, May is now wanting a third vote on her deal. The hypocrisy about the number of votes is unbelievable.

The Great Zaganza 17th March 2019 05:02 AM

a second referendum would be exactly as democratic as the first one.
Likely, it would be more so, since maybe, some obvious flaws in the first one could be avoided.

Archie Gemmill Goal 17th March 2019 05:21 AM

Apparently the Gammonball Run is already down to about 75 folk. Farage has pissed off.

catsmate 17th March 2019 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12635573)
78.6% of Kate Hoey's South London constituency voted for remain.

What a pity they can't fire her until she's convicted of an offense...

GlennB 17th March 2019 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal (Post 12635677)
Apparently the Gammonball Run is already down to about 75 folk. Farage has pissed off.

Any odds on whether anyone will actually finish it, or will they just hop on a train?

Captain_Swoop 17th March 2019 08:40 AM

A tweet commenting on the wet, bedraggled few who were marching

Quote:

‏@RichGoodspeed
its actually quite a poignant picture, like a search party wandering into the fog.

The geriatric children of Empire, muttering to their long dead fathers, bewildered and angry, searching for the phantoms of a dream that was never real.

Craig B 17th March 2019 10:48 AM

[quote=Captain_Swoop;12635784]A tweet commenting on the wet, bedraggled few who were marching
Quote:

‏@RichGoodspeed
its actually quite a poignant picture, like a search party wandering into the fog.

The geriatric children of Empire, muttering to their long dead fathers, bewildered and angry, searching for the phantoms of a dream that was never real.
a poignant picture indeed. But the thing in the shadow of which the fathers of these bewildered dotards were born was very real, even if it resembled a dream. It was the biggest Empire the world has ever known. It collapsed so suddenly too.

At the time the consort of the present monarch was born, the Empire was at its greatest extent. It has undergone complete disintegration in the course of a single lifetime. As if Trajan had been alive up to the days of Augustulus. No wonder these marchers are bewildered and muttering to their fathers. They have a lot to mutter about, and even more to be bewildered about.

a_unique_person 17th March 2019 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal (Post 12635677)
Apparently the Gammonball Run is already down to about 75 folk. Farage has pissed off.

True to form. Start something off then disappear when it happens.

P.J. Denyer 17th March 2019 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12635188)
Who to? Nigel? So he pockets ... 1500 pounds and doesn't even go with them? Well, doesn't that say all there needs to say about the thieving little ******.

The little people pay and the already wealthy who convinced them it was a good idea take the cash and **** off. It's a great metaphor for Brexit.

P.J. Denyer 17th March 2019 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12635784)
A tweet commenting on the wet, bedraggled few who were marching

The children of those who fought the last war seem determined to make their own children and grandchildren go through it again.

quadraginta 17th March 2019 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 12636176)
The children of those who fought the last war seem determined to make their own children and grandchildren go through it again.


Seems like their plan is to just skip the whole war part and go straight into the economic chaos.

Very efficient.

Puppycow 17th March 2019 06:20 PM

https://i.imgur.com/1H6Q6zh.jpg


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Wudang 18th March 2019 12:49 AM

Wait, why do they have to pay to take part in the walk? It's on public roads. They don't appear to be getting participatory "gilets jaunes" or anything.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcnEYgaXkAA7p88.jpg:large

McHrozni 18th March 2019 03:23 AM

I have a feeling the march will teach us the meanings of the words "backfire" and "fiasco" anew.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D12lwbPX0AELWrF.jpg

I count just over 60 people, some of whom may be reporters or random passers-by.

New video, I count 25 people:

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status...0%2Fframe.html

McHrozni

P.J. Denyer 18th March 2019 04:28 AM

Adam Hills of The Last Leg is publicly 'reverse sponsoring' Farage. For every mile that Farage doesn't walk he's going to give money to an asylum seeker's charity.

ponderingturtle 18th March 2019 08:10 AM

Hmm given how much of the UK strategy has been to play chicken does anyone think the EU will do so about granting an extension? Put it off to put pressure on the UK do make some kind of real decision?

GlennB 18th March 2019 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 12636791)
Hmm given how much of the UK strategy has been to play chicken does anyone think the EU will do so about granting an extension? Put it off to put pressure on the UK do make some kind of real decision?

It's getting very late indeed for a 'real decision'. Extension or no-deal are the only options I can see.

Pixel42 18th March 2019 08:41 AM

Clear ruling from Bercow that the government cannot bring back a deal that is "the same, or substantially the same" as the one that was rejected last week.

ponderingturtle 18th March 2019 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 12636800)
It's getting very late indeed for a 'real decision'. Extension or no-deal are the only options I can see.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pixel42 (Post 12636845)
Clear ruling from Bercow that the government cannot bring back a deal that is "the same, or substantially the same" as the one that was rejected last week.

With these two it really seems that the only options are no deal or no brexit. A substantially different deal is not going to be on the offer after a short extension, so what is the point in having one? The only benefit I see is postponing the crash until after the EU elections so that it will not be hugely disruptive to them.


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