I think you know what you can do with your disingenuous questions.

To be clear, you can go to the above links, read them, maybe click through the references, and generally educate yourself.

"Hunter Biden isn't running for President."

And as I said, if the emails implicate Joe Biden it does matter. I understand your panties are in a bunch over the prospect.

Nothing in there about Biden's emails, perhaps you could point it out to me.

If the FBI had known Clinton's servers had been hacked for a year, and had copies of the hacked data, and sat on it, leaving Clinton to be surprised by it at the last minute, I would find that shocking too.

Then you didn't read the links.

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It would probably be a good idea if they acted to prevent, or at least minimize the impact of this kind of thing. Were I an entirely innocent and blameless Joe Biden, and found that the FBI had quietly allowed this landmine to sit out there in my path for 10 months only to go off now, I might feel a little bit aggrieved. Were I Trump, blameless or otherwise, and the FBI had sat on this potentially exculpatory evidence during my impeachment, I might similarly feel a little aggrieved.

Is the FBIs job to defend the country, or to silently document attacks so that afterwards they can tell us how they happened?

It’s not happening silently. There has been a well-publicized, bipartisan effort to warn the U.S. of an ongoing threat. Meanwhile, Trump supporters haven’t wanted to hear it and Trump has been doing all he can to discredit career investigators and prosecutors.

Surely you must know that the FBI does not routinely make announcements of ongoing investigations.

While Trump’s faithful minions have spread the mantra of “no collusion,” what is sometimes overlooked is that no one really disputes that Russians collude with other Russians to influence elections. Of course Trump’s boast itself was dishonest, but his base likes being lied to.

Goal of this operation is to smear candidate for president by association. This is also why certain people here on thread use Biden surname when talking abut Hunter.

It’s their job to investigate. There’s kind of a hint in the name.

I love how Hunter is depicted both as an utterly unreliable crackhead pedophile *and* a highly credible reporter of his dad’s alleged corruption.

They very clearly brief people about ongoing investigations. They briefed Trump and Obama about the Steele dossier while that was an ongoing investigation. We've been hearing about them briefing Obama about Flynn before that became an active investigation.

The way we are talking about this, it's like one of those nature documentaries where some innocent baby gazelle is about to be killed by a pack of hyenas and the film crew do nothing because they have vowed not to interfere in the natural order. I don't believe the FBI takes that same approach with foreign election interference.

And Trump was briefed specifically that his buddy Giuliani was being targeted by the Russians to spread misinformation. What ******* good did that do?

Again, this is information that has spread far and wide, including being discussed in this very thread. How have you not been exposed to it?

In that case, a new federal agency needs to be set up to protect and defend the United States against terrorist and foreign intelligence threats.

Once again ignoring inconvenient facts in order to push a favourite conspiracy theory.

Well, no matter. I wasn't trying to initiate conversation with you, as I already know that that's pointless. I just thought it might have value for others to point out one particular brand of your hypocrisy.

Point out the "conspiracy theory" part and the "hypocracy", or run with your tail between your legs.

I thought so too.

My not having the evidence does not mean no evidence exists.

Sure, but they then apparently decided not to tell him about this actual attempt. If I know specifically that your neighbour is a homicidal maniac, has found the spare key to your house and has been muttering about killing you.... giving you a generalized warning that there are a lot of dangerous people about and your wife shouldn't leave the key under the mat is wilfully non-specific.

The information about the laptop had not been spread far and wide. At the moment it seems like the FBI knew about it for 10 months and allowed it to develop into a trap for either Biden or Trump.

The evidence exists. It's just that the current president not only ignores it, he does his best to discredit it if it implicates any of his dictator buddies.

Actually, it's been reported that Trump's aggression on hearing negative reports on Russia led to him being verbally briefed less and less on intelligence matters related to Russia. The material was still included in the written briefings, but it's long been reported that he doesn't have the attention span to actually read those.

So, yeah, when it comes to any piece of information about Russia it's entirely credible that Trump hasn't been informed of it.

As I've said, my intention isn't to engage with you. I have no interest in your games.

How do you know Trump wasn't told about this attempt?

Whether Trump acts appropriately on it doesn't mean that the FBI should sit on it. If they inform him and he does nothing, that's on him. If they don't inform him, or Biden, then that's on them.

Could be. If he was, then I think we should be told. Given how much people leak against him, that doesn't seem likely to me. It seems really foolish of him to start pushing the Justice Department and the FBI for an explanation if he was told.

Utter bull **** and continued evidence that you're ready to ignore every fact you find inconvenient.

The sources are compromised, the story of the information acquisition makes no sense, and the [mis]information has not been authenticated.

This isn't a response to what I said in my post. Are you responding to a different post?

Wait a sec. You really believe the public at large should be briefed on all warnings the president receives? You mean in real time, or later? You don't necessarily announce publicly every detail of an investigation as it develops.

I have a hunch both men were told, but that's all it is.

I agree it seems foolish. I think really he is telegraphing something to Barr, who for some reason is not quite willing to pull indictments out of his ass at Trump's behest.

No, of course not. If at this point in the game Trump is using these emails to try to discredit Biden and claiming he didn't know they were fake, when in fact he was told about it and was told that the emails on the laptop were forged.... then I want to know.

That again would be shocking, that the emails have already been shown to be fake and we aren't being told. Why wouldn't Biden say something? It would be a terrific bit of corruption to take into the last days of the election.

I think indictments are a little way off what ever is going on. Trump is sticking his neck way out here..... He's making it much easier for the FBI to screw him if that's what the information they have does.

It's hard to credit that something this laughable is the actual October Surprise. Misdirection, surely?

That does seem likely, doesn't it?

There's also the fact that the beneficiaries of the interference are the ones bearing a lot of responsibility for stopping it. Yet here we are.

The possibly Russian planted, possibly made up entirely by Rudy G, possibly non-existent emails could just as easily possibly not.

Possibly, but not likely.

Follow the hoax
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...unter-biden-a/

That's all interesting and likely true. But it never reported on an actual laptop. Oh well.

"Major Garrett
@MajorCBS
Via
@ClareHymes22

@CBSNews


The FBI & DOJ concur with DNI Ratcliffe’s assessment that Hunter Biden's laptop and the emails in question were not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. FBI does has possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question.

@DNI_Ratcliffe

@FBI"

Did I miss it? I'm not seeing any widespread claim that the emails are fake.

From the Columbus Dispatch:
Why would anyone bother making that up? It's a perfectly ordinary email and the Biden campaign has said it has no official record of such a meeting but that it could have happened.

If you have the text of other emails please link to them.

Who's job is it to tell us? And again, who says they're fake?

He has said something.
What would the news be? Donald Trump is corrupt?

Trump getting Giuliani to fake an email and slander an opponents son is pretty tame for this administration honestly. Doing it in the most stupidly ham handed way possible is expected

You'd think he could have done better if he wanted to make something up.

I don’t think they’ve ever shown any ability or interest in being clever.

Giuliani goes there

"sexually inappropriate...with a unnamed 14 year old girl"

"numerous pictures of underage girls"

Turns over evidence to Delaware State Police.

Don't shoot the messenger!

It's going to be entertaining watching those who have been lecturing us about not trusting US government agencies, and what they say about the Russians, spin this one into orbit.

Lol don’t worry this isn’t Kenosha nobody is going to shoot you. But I thought the computer guy gave the FBI the hard drive a while ago? So this guy has a hard drive full of child porn and hands it over to Rudy who, and I’ll remind you this is a hard drive full of child porn, that he sits on for a week doing the talk show circuit and when the media doesn’t bite he finally decides it’s time to contact the police, while holding a hard drive full of child porn that he got from a computer repair guy who claims it’s a copy from Hunter Biden that he couldn’t actually see without his glasses.

And Hunter Biden is the problem here?

FWIW

"@peterschweizer
BREAKING. Hearing that Bevan Cooney who has shared his Biden related emails with us has been REMOvED from the federal facility in Oregon where he is being detained"

Not much. Got anybody else besides Breitbart, OAN and Glen Beck?

I should put these in categories of laughable, SBAR (stupid beyond all reason), or here it is already addressed and/or 'exactly'.

I'm pretty sure this is a common theme.

It's SBAR. Giuliani couldn't find anyone interested except the NY Post.

Exactly and so we are having this conversation.

It's absurdly not even close. But the point is, keep the story in the news feed.

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Exactly, and given the point isn't to present a credible story, the point is to present the SBAR nonsense. Any engagement by Biden is a bonus.

Pretty sure we do know, Giuliani is the source and maybe the Russians helped him out.

:dl:

Bingo!

He has an appearance scheduled Thursday. We'll see.

I think you're on to something here.

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Almost always the case with CTs.

:rolleyes: I'm pretty sure such meetings are confidential and unlike Trump, Biden respects that confidentiality.

They weren't too bad before Trump stepped in to make the top leaders his ass-kissing minions. Wray seems to be holding his own for now.

If someone's life was at risk, the FBI would move in. Your analogy is SBAR.

:sdl: You're still operating on an SBAR premise.

And this is the problem with bothering to discredit the story.

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Trump sent the idiot Giuliani because Trump cannot been seen as directly involved. But maybe Trump asked the Russians to make this laptop nonsense up and they did a half-assed job too.

Well, here's Giuliani admitting it's a hoax on a radio show:

"even if it isn’t accurate, the American people are entitled to know it"

The Conspiracy Theory forum is thataway —————->

Do they have all 3 laptops?

What's the conspiracy? That he was moved from his cell or that he gave Breitbart reporters access to his emails?

Link

There is only one laptop. John Paul, the owner of the repair store, sent two of them home with Biden because one of them could not be repaired and the other was a quick fix that didn't need to be left at the shop

So, if there turns out to be child porn of Hunter Biden with a 14 year old girl on the laptop, and the FBI have done nothing about it... in your opinion the bad guy in the story is Giuliani for having revealed that in a way that maximizes how bad it makes Biden and all the people covering it up look?