Is there any reason to believe this is true?

News bulletins do the former, programmes like Panorama do the latter.

Nope my point is that news reports should report the news. Part of that news will be reporting on what the government is saying. That is not being a mouth piece for the government it is reporting what is happening. There is nothing to stop the news report to also cover what (for example) the opposition has to say about a government statement.

Other aspects of the BBC news departments do fantastic work in investigative journalism and reporting on that, often to the embarrassment of governments and people in power.

In summary news REPORTS should be about the actual news not editorial content about that news, that belongs in other programmes.

They are obviously being very careful on how they are wording things, but I consider that is being dishonest in this type of situation. They have been avoiding for example saying that he is critically ill, which is the only reason he would have been moved to a ICU. They report it as him being stable over night, that actually means there has been no improvement in his conditions, so he remains critically ill.

So they are being careful to not directly lie but not being honest.

What does Britain know about coronavirus that the rest of Europe doesn't? (CNN, March 14, 2020)
Nothing at all, apparently ...

If he, or any other head of state, were placed on a ventilator, I wonder if the public would be informed. I could easily see the temptation to downplay severity right up until the point of death.

I'm watching this Downing Street briefing.

I have appreciated the fact that the government is doing this, but...

...Dominic Raab looks very nervous in this briefing, and is speakingveryfastwithoutverymanypauses while denying that he has any veto power in the cabinet (which seems odd when he was essentially given that power by the PM - is this a constitutional issue that he is trying to tiptoe around?). Also, I like his diplomatic way of saying he is sending his best wishes to his girlfriend and his "whole family" (however many people that may be).

Then Chris Whitty said that it appears Germany got ahead in testing, hence the lower death rate, which is something that government ministers have been trying hard not to admit. (I remember one minister saying that Germany did more tests, found more cases but "sadly had more deaths" - What?! They have a way lower number of deaths!)

The Queen is head of state.

Constitutionally no one has a veto, or everyone does in a cabinet government. All cabinet decisions are collective ie unanimous; if you do not agree you resign. All cabinet ministers (including the prime minister) are technically equal as ministers of the crown. The concept of veto does not exist in the UK governmental system, this is something that occurs in the US presidential system.

I cannot see most countries hiding such information, or even trying to. Macron, Merkel, Varadkar, Trudeau for examples. It strikes me as a "cult of personality" measure that would happen in Russia, North Korea, the Philippines, the USA or Britain.

Germany is showing a much shallower modeled infection curve as against the UK.
I think BoJo and UKGov are terrified; 66,000 deaths would be a society changer.

My spitball guess:

Some corona victims don't seem extremely ill for some time, then develop breathing issues and die quickly, within a few hours.

In places where tests are in short supply, such victims are just never tested, they are diagnosed based on signs and symptoms but not test results, or are just never diagnosed.

Germany may be testing more of those victims than other places, they may be getting more posthumous test results in. Depending on how they are reporting the numbers, this may result in Germany reporting cases that other places would not have reported. (we see similar issues here in America, with differences apparent even from one county to another).

Anyone else concerned that the government is potentially being headed by a man who can't be trusted to organise a booze cruise to Calais (since he apparently had difficulty with the concepts of 'us being an island' and 'we import through ports')?

Yes. He was obviously only given this position as Johnson and/or Cummings felt he could never be a threat to Johnson.

They do but not in news bulletins.

Yeah, it certainly looks horrific.

However, this is strange. I looked at Sweden's projection. They predict 134 deaths at the peak (27th April), yet 19 days out and they already reported 114 deaths. That seems to be almost double the projection. :jaw-dropp

https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden

Once again the dailymash nail it. This time Dominic Raab is learning about Britain:

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...20200407195259

It's funny because it's true.....

Long but very informative article about the reaction of both scientific advisors and politicians to the unfolding crisis in the UK:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21P1VF

The Tories, who are responsible for Brexit and austerity, which have damaged the NHS (primarily loss of staff and beds), which has then struggled more than it should have to cope with the virus, are themselves going to struggle, especially since Labour now has a more effective leader.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-eu-staff-quit

"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis.
So far this year more than 3,250 EU staff have left the NHS, according to data released under the Freedom of Information Act"

You're assuming people will actually blame the people and party responsible rather than voting for the leader of the party responsible because they've be sold the idea that that voting for the Conservative Party is an anti establishment protest vote.

I really have to wonder about the description by Raab of Johnson as a 'fighter', everything I've read about Johnson points to a man who just quits when the going gets tough. Lazy, entitled or dishonest are terms I would associate with Johnson, not fighter.

I don't think that's quite right,he has a certain dogged tenacity when it comes to his own interests, otherwise he wouldn't have made it to PM. It's just when it comes to serving the interests of constituents he can't really be bothered.

The Dyson Respirator seems to have gone a bit quiet. Aside from the issue of whether contracts might be directed to doners, I don't understand why at a time when huge numbers of respirators are needed as fast as possible we'd be looking at new designs from non medical companies rather than existing designs that have passed regulatory scrutiny. Is it just me or does anyone else feel there's a touch of Elon Musk's 'cave submarine' to all this?

It's a good article, but cut-and-paste the names and you could apply it equally to most other countries.

Most countries are on the same COVID-19 trajectory as the UK - some are a few weeks ahead and some a few weeks behind - but that seems to be more down to international travel habits and luck than anything else.

A few countries appear, so far, to have done markedly better - but we don't yet know if that is down to inaccurate reporting of figures (Iran? North Korea?) or whether they have only managed to delay a severe prolonged lockdown rather than avoid it (Japan? Singapore?)

South Korea is currently the best example of how to successfully handle the virus - but even they have had to close schools and impose some other restrictions. It will be interesting to see whether any other countries (Germany?) are able to get back to the low infection level South Korea currently enjoys, and what the countries with those low levels will then have to do to maintain them.

Not really politics, but IMO a clear indication that there is a class of people who believe that rules only really apply to the little people:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

True, but it would have been pretty astonishing and maybe even bad taste for Dominic Raab to have said at the briefing.

He'll probably save it for the memoirs.

Hey they are probably very stressed out, some of them have taken a 30% pay cut and can’t even earn money from personal appearances!

U.S. Now Leads the World in Confirmed Cases (NYT, March 26, 2020)
Coronavirus: US records highest death toll in single day (BBC News, April 8, 2020)
"We're gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning!"
And nobody can claim that it wasn't due to Trump's performance.

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Would it help your understanding if I told you that Dyson was a huge donor to the Tory party?

Cnn reports today that the cdc is already beginning to revise downward their expected US death toll. Now saying 82,000.

Not always, sometimes he hides in fridges.

People like Raab are talking Johnson up so that when he recovers from this illness he'll be seen as some kind of hero, one that 'beat' covid-19. Welcome to several more years of Tory rule under Boris Johnson.

He's already dead.

He's dead (until proven otherwise) but at least he's "sitting up in bed". They propped him up so that even in death he can give the impression of being in control and ordering his underlings around. He was just that strong of a leader, always in charge leading from the front.

Links?

Along with crushing of real estate agents & car salesmen, the disappearance of hordes of tourists, the immediate reduction in road deaths, and the drop in pollution, sports stars making less money is another positive benefit.

Meanwhile, Esport geeks have found a niche!

You can even bet on it.

I heard it on the news, this is all I can find online, in this article the CDC rep is quoted as saying the death toll will be much, much lower.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...uch_lower.html

Not really since I mentioned that aspect. They've got remarkable media coverage for not actually doing anything though.

Queue several balls of string, some small pulleys and all sorts of corpse related hijynx. Welcome to "Weekend at Johnsons".

Really? Name two.

Bollocks. Compare this and this, for example. The UK is projected to have more deaths than Germany, France and Italy combined.
66,000 death compared to 8,800, 20,000 and 15,000 respectively.

No. And again no. Every country is not on the same course.

Actually we, in the sense of statisticians and epidemiologists have an excellent idea.

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