Yeah, this is my point. We see a lot of right-wingers angrily stamping their feet about people being let go from their jobs, and yet few of them seem to care about making their jobs more secure through unions.

If John McWhorter writes that the antitode to Woke Racism is unions, then I would be pretty happy. If his answer is to just constantly rile up voters until they turn out for the GOP, I would be less so.

Oh, indeed. This is pretty obvious.

Pick a year, open the Daily Mail and you will find the pages melting with warnings that the world is going to hell in a handbasket because of lefties...

Yeah, we gotta step it up. Really going to work hard to make 2022 the year we do a big Cultural Marxism on everyone. Do your part for a grimmer tomorrow!

Doing a state censorship to fight cancel culture:

https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits...d-anti-maskers

Michigan seems to have laws criminalizing non-threatening speech, which seems to be unconstitutional on its face. Apparently these comments can result in a felony charge:

Sure hope Nurse Skoczylas is union.

Just so we are clear:

Twitter banning users for what they say on Twitter that violate the TOS violates the 1st amendment.

But the sheriff arresting people for what they say on Twitter is just fine.

This seems bad, but let's not overreact. We need to keep our focus on the real problem.

Sure, agents of the state are actively using their power and authority to suppress free speech, but a handful of college professors lost their jobs, and Dr. Seuss has been cancelled, and also that MMA lady doesn't get to play Star Wars anymore.

I haven't seen anyone make this argument here on ISF. Have you?

Same question.

I think he's paraphrasing certain people who have a blind spot in regards to this obvious double standard, not people here.

People with orange hair, or those who worship them.

Me too, every worker should have a union.

Bookmarked the link in case I come across them at some point.

Check with Fox News or other outlets that share your concerns about "cancel culture". Or just talk to a Republican.

Will do. In the meanwhile, it seems a bit bizarre to condescendingly address people who aren't actually reading along. Weird flex, as it were. Sort of like stabbing a scarecrow and then gloating about how they won't fight back.

ETA: Do you happen to know what my concerns actually are re: cancel culture?

I'm not sure it was addressed to certain people so much as it was to the topic itself. If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend that the hypocrisy referred to isn't part of the anti-"cancel culture" culture, go right ahead. But it is.

Feel free to provide a succinct and specific list of your concerns.

Context is for dweebs. We should all pretend this "cancel culture" thing is actually a serious line of thought derived from Frist Principles, instead of what it clearly is revealing itself to be through how these ideas get expressed as run-of-the-mill right wing censorship and revisionism.

You see, we must treat these ideas with tremendous seriousness and curiosity, despite overwhelming evidence that literally nobody wielding the term as a cudgel gives a single bit about being honest.

Yes, a sober lesson we all learned from Johnny Depp when he told us about the horrors of being "cancelled" while accepting a lifetime achievement award in front of an adoring audience.

Iirc, people online are sometimes acting on information without due consideration.

I have to say, it doesn’t real sound catchy enough for a cult or deep enough for a Dylan song. Maybe you can make it into some sort of meme?

I don't recall making a thread about anti-"cancel culture" culture, whatever that means.

Also, if you don't know what my concerns are, feel free not to reference them.

If by "acting" you mean specifically trying to put people out work and take away their access to healthcare, yes.

Which of my objections (to canceling folks like Kroger Andy and Gelato Andy) have been rooted in right-wing censorship?

Ironically, they are actually anti-free-market. Clients complain and it has consequences.
Employers make decisions based on client dollars.

Why do you hate capitalism?

Because oftentimes it treats workers as disposable.

I'm not sure why I have be able to specifically enumerate what concerns you have about "cancel culture" to point out that have you concerns about "cancel culture".

The general idea of a "cancel culture" is a nakedly unsupported assumption which asserts that the ordinary ebb and flow of public criticism and discourse is some novel and corrosive element.

Two people getting unjustly (to your eye) "cancelled" does not a "cancel culture" make.

Not sure who Gelato Andy is, but Kroger Andy wasn't actually "cancelled" and ended up $28K richer for the failed attempt. Feel free to try to "cancel" me if it nets me enough money to buy a new car.

It would probably be better to look at your concerns over Gina Carano being "cancelled" to see where they align with purveyors of right wing censorship.

They take away their ACA eligibility? Wow, the internet is powerful.

Having read further, this all just a pro-union and pro national healthcare thread. I’m on board.

It's pretty funny that right wingers have a culture war issue that hinges entirely on the fact that so many Americans have precarious employment.

It's hilarious that you keep talking about right-wingers even when they aren't here to argue.

Both good ideas; both would also make public shaming efforts directed at ordinary employees vastly less ethically fraught.

https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/com..._mio_andy_are/

Gina will land on her feet, but the gleeful cancelers did manage to kill the spinoff. Don't call it censorship, though, it's just television that won't happen.

Is there a way for me to know how what happened to Gelato Andy represents an existential threat to society that doesn’t require me to read a Reddit thread?

Nope, that the only well-written unbiased account.

(Not sure why you're invoking existential theeats.)

My reason for not calling it censorship would probably be because it would be ludicrous to do so and I’d be embarrassed to even suggest it.

I would, however, love to know how I can force a giant media conglomerate to cancel a show I don’t like. I had no idea this amazing power was available to me.

Guess I’ll take your word for it, then.

For a reason to care, I suppose.

No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

Must be relaxing to never fret about anything less than existential threats.

What, me worry?

We’re in a thread about “cancel culture”, not random Reddit anecdotes about an unpleasant thing that might have happened to someone.

If it’s not a serious and pervasive problem, I don’t see how it’s worthy of discussion.

An unpleasant attempt by self-identified skeptics to drive a gelatiere out of business.

Feel free not to discuss.

I don't think you're going to have much luck finding anyone to discuss the version of cancel culture that only exists in your head.

Such as the OP?

Yes.

Obviously one of the most serious crises to occur in recent memory.

I'm not given much option when you refuse to clarify or expound upon your position.

I wouldn't think so.

I mean, it was probably awful for him (for a time) to be getting piled-on by so many strangers, but ultimately his Yelp! ratings rebounded despite the semi-coordinated efforts of a fairly vengeful online mob.

Thanks for keeping us updated on this very important situation. Looking forward to more truly gripping accounts of the experiences of random people on Yelp.

Are you also looking forward to making a point here?

His point is that you don't have one, and haven't for months across two separate threads.

Seems an odd thing to bang on about, given so many other threads to choose from. I wrote the OP to ask whether it makes (moral) sense to try to summon an online mob to get some random Kroger employee sacked. If you don't care to discuss such things, move along.

Because you're using cherry picked non-examples to try and demonize "Minorities, disenfranchised groups, and just general other people are simply not sitting back and passively taking crap anymore."

Your vague, mushmouth mumblings about "Oh lordy why is it such a big deal, why not just ignore it" is part of the problem.

You first.

I'm not sure anyone is making the argument that it makes moral sense for an online mob to get some random Kroger employee sacked, so your point continues to elude.

It's the same mentality that means if one trashcan gets knocked over in a protest, then the fact that the black guy was murdered by police doesn't count anymore.

The entire objection is that they now are being asked to accept some amount of risk, having some skin in the game, for things progressing. It is thus vital they amplify any flaws in implementation to pretend the overall concept shouldn't apply to them.

This is how you can get some liberals, some progressives, and some members of marginalized groups, jumping in with regressives, racists, fascists and the like. One might want the benefits of their identity group having protection or support from the general populace able to vocally disagree, but they might fear more the risk it might also hold them to some kind of account. It is the same as people who 'support gay rights' but then chafe at that support meaning asking any inconvenient action be allowed by them.

Asking risk is for other groups to do for things to get better, never my special group. It doesn't really change if that group is white people, conservatives, religion, homosexual, South American, women, or progressive. If the process isn't perfect (as defined by asking nothing more of them), then the process itself is a harm to be addressed.

Well yeah that's why every single version of this discussion is the same:

Minority: Hey could we be treated with, ya know like basic level humans rights up to and maybe even including the right to literally continue to exist?
Majority: Wait, what? Errr sure we can totally do that... right after we create a perfect solution in which I not only see any downside to, not only am never merely inconvenienced by, but in fact pretty much an totally unaffected by and unaware of.

Again it how so many racists, apologist, and just our bog standard trolling contrarians can say stuff like "Well I WAS going to say that the police murdering minorities without fear of reprisal was bad... but then I saw a window get broken during the protests so now I don't know what to think" with a straight face.