Suzanne Somers Promotes "Bioidenticals"
Suzanne Somers has a new book on the benefits of "bioidenticals". This of course has traditional doctors upset.
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Does the book have a disclaimer?
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"Unclothed from the collarbone up? "
That's no fun. |
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Oh, the real topic? Dunno, where are the published clinical trials? Hans |
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I should let Grayman answer for himself. Being quiet now. |
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What Scotth said.
I wasn't sure what to write, I just wanted to get the info on the book out here for comment and debate. The part where it talks about, "promot[ing] the questionable dosage advice of a former actress and "independent researcher" named T.S. Wiley (whose academic credentials are limited to a bachelor's degree in anthropology) should give you a little insight to my thoughts. I get bothered when I see yet another "celebrity" dispensing health advice. Does that help, Katana? :) |
Bioidenticals? Is that twins? I'm all for twins :)
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Oh, and I second what you said. Also, I get bothered when millions believe these celebrities and rush out to buy untested, unproven, and potentially dangerous junk. Actually, I get bothered when people do this whether a celebrity is involved or not. |
Clueless somers was on Larry King live saying that her book will save millions of lives by getting women off of HRT "drugs" and onto these "natural hormones" instead.
What she hasn't figured out is that a hormone is a hormone, just like vitamin C is vitamin C no matter how it got in the vitamin bottle. Sad thing, like with all other "all natural" junk, you don't know what dose you're getting in those supplements. Their other claims are completely unproven, and Somers will cause much grief with that stupid book. I guess patients are asking their doctors for that stuff in droves, and are unduly alarmed about what they are currently taking. |
Nothing like going to a doctor and telling him what prescriptions he ought to be writing.
Next we'll go to a MMA studio and teach them katas... :rolleyes: |
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As for bioidenticals--The most influential event I could envision happening would be for that Dr. Oz guy that frequently guest stars on Oprah to come out against it. That show has an enormous following and such an announcement would sway many minds. Judging by the info on his website, it sounds like he's against it, or at the very least; admits there are quality control issues and no data to back up bioidentical claims. Perhaps some letters and e-mails to both the show and their personal website would be effective. http://www.realage.com/news_features....aspx?id=12068 |
Thank you for the link Serenity, good idea!
Another good point: http://www.oss.mcgill.ca/yasked/bioidentical.pdf Quote:
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Similarly, "natural" progesterone is just that, while pharmaceutical HRT is an artifical substance, progestin, that does not exist in nature. |
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Her goal is not to be famous and appear on television. Instead,. she wants a national trial of compounded bioidentical hormones, which can only happen if there is standardization in both compounding and the way doctors administer and follow the protocol. This is why she has so many enemies - if she is right, with her rhythmic cycling, they are all wrong, and there is a lot of money involved. Doctors and pharmacies are making a fortune on BHRT, but the Wiley Protcol is only $37.50/month (Wiley does not sell it, it is dispensed by pharmacies that agree to compound it according to her instructions). The publicity hound doctors like Schwartz and Schwarzbein do not want standardization, it will cost them. My suggestion is that before you comment on the life work of a crusader for women's health, who receives no comnensation for her efforts, you should at least familiarize yourself with her body of work. Start at her website. |
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I purchased a Body Row from Suzanne several years ago. After a few days the wheels under the seat crumbled so I contacted the company and they sent me a new set of wheels. Within a few days the new wheels crumbled so I called the company again and they said I was too heavy for the wheels and sent me a third set of wheels. I wanted to use it to lose weight but if it can't hold 275 pounds then what good is it? I really like it and if I ever find a set of steel wheels that fit I will start using it again. Or at least just start using it.
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Well I found this little article with this quote: Quote:
http://www.thewileyprotocol.com/inde...d=19&Itemid=29 Quote:
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http://www.concept2.com/us/default.asp The thing is solidly constructed. I can't find it on the website, but I seem to recall them saying it was rated to 600 lbs. |
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Eos- Thanks! |
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The taste of sea salt varies widely depending on where it's obtained, because of the differing presence of various other salts and trace minerals. |
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I would largely disagree, granule size, shape, and probably density, are very relevant to the way salt is dissolved on the tongue and hence perceived, tactilely and chemically. As for salt dissolved into food, I would agree to a limited extent. For example, if granule size affects salt distribution (i.e., baked goods) it could have adverse effects on the resulting product. |
She should have stuck with the Thighmaster...
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She's coming out with it next month... watch for the debut on the Montel Williams show. ;) |
Oh, Double Post.
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You're welcome serenity.
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Seems we have a fan here, and someone who is stuck on the whole semantics of so called "natural" vs. synthetic, while ignoring how the hormone (no matter how it got in the pill) has the exact same effect on the body and carries the exact same risks (or could be worse, but the studies haven't been done). What we have pushing bioidenticals are a bunch of self proclaimed "experts" selling the usual "natural alternative" without the background or the ability to conduct research to back up their claims. I got news for ya: whether cyanide is made in a lab or isolated from a plant or animal, it will still kill a person, no matter if you figure it is synthetic or "naturally derived". What you get in any pill after all the processing (no matter if it comes from a plant or horse) has the exact same effect on the body. Only difference at this point is that the FDA approved product must be tested for safety and efficacy. They must all come in pills that have a known dosage and no unknow contaminants. The chemical formula is the same for premarin, and for any other estrogen, no matter what its name: C18H21NaO5S No matter if you get it from human or horse, plant or lab, it is the same, and has the same effect on the body. Here are some other names, but they all are the same chemical, and are the same as the formula above.
I don't know why you figure premarin is a conjugate whatchamahoeey, but premarin is estrogen, and is clearly not 39 anything, just the chemical combination as posted above. |
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I’d be surprised to learn trace elements in salt could be discerned reliably. Evaporated/solar salt is typically over 99% pure… USDA requires better than 97.5%. My hunch is you’re perceiving differences resulting from structure, not trace elements, unless the purity is in question and below standard. You could always test yourself. Try finding two similarly grained salt brands; one salt, the other Kosher--no additives--and undergo a blind taste test. |
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From what I can gather from a Google search, most sea salt is about .5% calcium chloride and .1% potassium chloride. |
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The only way to make salt taste different is by the addition of trace minerals and non-sodium salts, both of which can be discerned in very small concentrations. |
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1. If the estrogen in Premarin were the same as "natural" estrogen, which is impossible because estrogen is a group of hormones, such as E1, E2 and E3, it still wouldn't matter because it is a conjugate of 39 SUBSTANCES, not 39 estrogens. Some of those estrogens you listed are actualy metabolites of estradiol and should only be created in the body from the cascade process, not induced externally. I can explain why they are there if you like, but the short story is because the Premarin deranges the whole process. 2. If you know anything about in vitro fertilization, you would know that estrace and the rest of the (patentable junk) in Premarin is NEVER used. Only natural bioidentical hormones are used in in vitro. Why do suppose that is? There is a school of thought (Wiley's) that says the synthetic/bioidentical conundrum may not even be the most important issue, it's how it's dosed, formulated, compounded and followed, but you'd have to read her book to understand it. Ultimately, what matters is that drug companies and their love puppets, the HRT doctors, not dictate to 60 million women (in the US alone) what they do about their health with HRT. You can make all the other arguments you want, about the chemistry, and the personalities, but that is what it boils to. The AMA and the FDA are going to use this controversy to hand doctors and Big Pharma another huge victory. -NR |
Ohhhh, misinformation, halleluhiah (sp?)!!!
I have to ask for your source because it IS hooey. HRT/birth control pills have active ingredients, and those are isolated from various sources or synthesized. In the case of premarin, it is estrogen isolated from an animal yes. There is also progesterone usually in HRT that is made via FDA approved processes. Then the other fillers don't have an effect on the body, and can't be pointed to as "substances" that are "unnatural" and having a bad effect on the body, since they are usually sugars and starches. There aren't 39 kinds of hormones in Premarin/estrogen or any other types of HRTs, unless you are swallowing unknowns in various plant matter that hasn't undergone the process to isolate the chemical (and even that's a stretch). You won't get this problem from FDA approved HRT. http://www.madehow.com/Volume-4/Birth-Control-Pill.html Quote:
That is why I looked up Premarin and its chemical composition. There is nothing but that chemical, and not 38 other "substances", heck there aren't even 39 molecules making up the chemical Premarin/Estrogen. If Wiley is your source, then you are really eating crap hook line and sinker. Wiley is not qualified to be writing on the topic, and it shows. Did you even check Wiley's background? Anthropology does not make one an expert on the human body or any type of chemical. http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...lime_a_jou.php Oh goody, the usual buzzwords of conspiracy, and accusations that the drug companies and doctors want to just poison us all. Sorry, but we've all been through this before, and it won't work here. |
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[my bold] Hmmm. Yes. I can see why you would consider her an expert. As for her "research", she is not the first author of any of those four publications. What this means is two things: 1) It may be original research, but it wasn't hers and 2) As second or third author, she may have done little more than count cells under a microscope (in other words a job that doesn't require even a bachelor's degree). Since I couldn't find it, please provide information about your claim that she has been an author of med school textbooks. Please use a source more credible than her own website. Quote:
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What? You think that all docs prescribing HRT are in cahoots with drug companies? Frankly, it is as ignorant to assume that all docs make money off the drugs they prescribe as it is to assume that people like T.S. Wiley don't make any off their businesses. Then again, it must be so reassuring to live in such a black and white world. Unfortunately, you do a disservice to (and are missing out on) the physicians out there who truly do have their patients' best interests at heart. |
nraden is Neil Raden, T.S. Wiley's husband, hustling her protocol.
As has been noted, T.S. Wiley does not have even a B.A. in anthropology. It is a fabrication she's been claiming for some time now, but she's been exposed. The premise of the Wiley Protocol is the following "thought experiment" (their words): that if declining hormones are the reason we age, become diseased, and eventually die, then replacing them means we won't age, become diseased, and "we may not have to die". You might think this is a hypothesis worth studying. Or you might think that this is a promise worth marketing and selling. Women interested in the protocol are told they must purchase only hormones branded with Wiley's name from pharmacies under a licensing agreement with T.S. Wiley. (Anything else is risky, and you don't want to get sick, do you?) Doctors and pharmacists who pay Wiley $1500 and $500 respectively to become certified/registered get what is, in effect, advertising space on Wiley's site. (EDIT: And referrals, of course.) Women who solicit pharmacies for registration are rewarded with free hormones. There are no clinical studies and no credible documentation of the Wiley Protocol's effects. When asked why they're peddling such fantastically extreme dosages of hormones to the general public without studying it first, the Wiley camp has pleaded impatience. Many women have become ill on this protocol -- dangerously so. I won't give the full litany but many have become suicidal and other reports include severe alopecia, weight gain, anxiety, and weakness. Some women have experienced incapacitation to the extent that they were house-bound and unable to work. Women who have come forward and made the mistake of using their real names or revealing an e-mail address have been harassed and even libeled by Neil Raden, who often hides behind fake names. (I've caught him at it many times. IP addresses, e-mail headers, web logs...) There's a lot more to this -- I'm trying to be brief. Just Google "wiley protocol". |
Welcome, debv.
I've been expecting a post like that this one (with the nraden connection) for a bit. I suspected there was a connection. |
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