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Stacyhs 23rd December 2018 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12543337)
Looks like Mattis is going out a bit earlier than he originally planned

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...81816462737408

I predicted Mattis would leave earlier than February due to Trump making his life miserable but it looks like President Petty is so peeved about his resignation letter that he's kicking him out early. Not even Meryl Streep could act surprised.

fagin 23rd December 2018 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 12543350)
I predicted Mattis would leave earlier than February due to Trump making his life miserable but it looks like President Petty is so peeved about his resignation letter that he's kicking him out early. Not even Meryl Streep could act surprised.

Shock and awe.

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incomin...emy-Awards.jpg

thaiboxerken 23rd December 2018 05:14 PM

It seems like he got angry after Fox News explained that the resignation letter was very critical of Trump.

Trebuchet 23rd December 2018 05:23 PM

You can't quit me, you're fired!

Puppycow 26th December 2018 12:17 AM

Trump Is Reportedly Considering Firing Mnuchin Over Stock Market Woes

He wanted to fire Fed Chairman Powell, but he can't so Mnuchin looks like a convenient target.

Quote:

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin could become the latest White House official to get the boot. President Donald Trump has been souring on Mnuchin for some time now and the continued decline in the stock markets could be the final straw, reports Bloomberg. One source told Bloomberg that the president has considered firing Mnuchin while another said that whether he stays on or not will depend in large part on what happens to the markets.

(Update at 3:48 p.m.: In a brief conversation with reporters from the Oval Office, Trump said he still has confidence in Mnuchin. “Yes I do,” Trump said when asked directly whether he had confidence in Mnuchin. “Very talented, very smart person.” He did use the opportunity to once again complain about the Federal Reserve: “They’re raising interest rates too fast.”)

If Trump was already not so happy with his Treasury secretary, what he did before Christmas Eve surely didn’t help things. Mnuchin rattled nervous markets over the weekend when he put out a statement saying the heads of the country’s six largest banks had told him they had “ample liquidity” to keep lending. Considering that was never seen as a serious concern many saw it either as a huge blunder or a sign that the government knows something the rest of the world doesn’t. He then held a call Monday with members of the President’s Working Group on financial markets, which also raised concern that the problems in the economy could be deeper than many thought.
Apparently his efforts to "calm the markets" have either been ineffective or have had the opposite of the intended effect. (I suspect the markets are actually reacting more negatively to Trump's antics than anything Mnuchin did, but of course it can't be Trump's fault, so Mnuchin looks like a convenient scapegoat.)

Foolmewunz 26th December 2018 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Puppycow (Post 12544844)
Trump Is Reportedly Considering Firing Mnuchin Over Stock Market Woes

He wanted to fire Fed Chairman Powell, but he can't so Mnuchin looks like a convenient target.



Apparently his efforts to "calm the markets" have either been ineffective or have had the opposite of the intended effect. (I suspect the markets are actually reacting more negatively to Trump's antics than anything Mnuchin did, but of course it can't be Trump's fault, so Mnuchin looks like a convenient scapegoat.)

This little Tweeting-From-Lonelytown hiatus would be a marvelous opportunity to do a study with Donnie. Trump agrees to not tweet a thing, nor call an orphan or world leader... from the opening bell until lunch. The market goes up or stays steady, I'm willing to bet. After his second ice cream and three hours of Fox & Friends, he let's the sugar rush take over and starts tweeting whatever tickle his fancy, as usual.

> I notice red-coat Nancy has a fence around HER house. Dems need to pay for my wall or I will keep the shutdown going forever and ever.

NASDAQ drops 300 points.

d4m10n 26th December 2018 07:11 AM

On point: https://www.npr.org/2018/12/26/67930...have-endurance

Trebuchet 26th December 2018 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz (Post 12544921)
> I notice red-coat Nancy has a fence around HER house. Dems need to pay for my wall or I will keep the shutdown going forever and ever.

Did he say that? I don't see it on his Twitter. In any case, Pants On Fire!

Foolmewunz 26th December 2018 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12545005)
Did he say that? I don't see it on his Twitter. In any case, Pants On Fire!

It was meant as an example of the sort of stream-of-consciousness crap he Tweets.

Trebuchet 26th December 2018 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz (Post 12545036)
It was meant as an example of the sort of stream-of-consciousness crap he Tweets.

Poe's law, I guess. Maybe it should be Trump's law. Nothing is too outlandish for it not to be believable that it came from him.

jimbob 26th December 2018 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12545059)
Poe's law, I guess. Maybe it should be Trump's law. Nothing is too outlandish for it not to be believable that it came from him.

Untrue.

"I apologise, I made a mistake"

Trebuchet 26th December 2018 12:46 PM

Is Fed chief Jerome Powell’s job safe? Yes, 100%, says Trump aide Kevin Hassett.

He's a goner for sure!

Norman Alexander 26th December 2018 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12545128)

Mnuchin is next. Because he is screwing up the stock markets by talking to people like Donny told him to do. Also, the name "Mnuchin" sounds kinda Jewish. So who can trust him, yeah? ;)

Norman Alexander 26th December 2018 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12545128)

Lull him into a false sense of security, before making him sleep with the fishes.

Giordano 26th December 2018 01:20 PM

The only question left: how will Trump inform Powell of his demise? Tweet or have some low level aide let him know?

Hellbound 26th December 2018 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 12545156)
The only question left: how will Trump inform Powell of his demise? Tweet or have some low level aide let him know?

I'm going for broke and saying a tweet from a low-level aide.

Puppycow 26th December 2018 03:46 PM

He can't actually fire Powell before his current term is over. Just saying. Mnuchin, sure. Powell's position is different.

a_unique_person 27th December 2018 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Puppycow (Post 12545280)
He can't actually fire Powell before his current term is over. Just saying. Mnuchin, sure. Powell's position is different.

Maybe so. He does have it in his power to repeatedly, publicly humiliate the man until he does resign.

varwoche 27th December 2018 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 12545064)
Untrue.

"I apologise, I made a mistake"

Really? There's no scenario? Maybe in private...?
Putin: I told you what I was going to do with the piss tape if you gave me any guff about sanctions, Donny.

Trump: I apologize Mr. President, I made a mistake.
;)

quadraginta 27th December 2018 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Puppycow (Post 12545280)
He can't actually fire Powell before his current term is over. Just saying. Mnuchin, sure. Powell's position is different.


Mebbe ... mebbe not.

Forbes had an article abut that a few months ago.
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Breaking Precedent
A common perception, even among Fed experts, is that presidents can’t fire the chair and board of governors once they take office. They’re thought to be like the Supreme Court in that regard, although they don’t serve for life.

But that’s not quite correct.

The Federal Reserve Act doesn’t explicitly give the U.S. president power to fire the Fed board members. But section 10 has a mysterious little phrase indicating it’s at least possible.
“…thereafter each member shall hold office for a term of fourteen years from the expiration of the term of his predecessor, unless sooner removed for cause by the President.”
That’s all it says on the subject, as far as I can tell. The Act doesn’t define what the word “cause” would entail. But Congress clearly thought the U.S. president should be able to remove board members before their terms expire, under certain conditions.

There's more. Worth a read, at least.

Trebuchet 27th December 2018 10:34 AM

Making Trump look bad is all the "cause" he would need. Of course, it's not actually the Fed or anyone else making him look bad, he does it all by himself.

jimbob 27th December 2018 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 12545531)
Really? There's no scenario? Maybe in private...?
Putin: I told you what I was going to do with the piss tape if you gave me any guff about sanctions, Donny.

Trump: I apologize Mr. President, I made a mistake.
;)

Fair enough.

But that wouldn't be outrageous in that situation.

Polaris 27th December 2018 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12544957)

The TL;DR version:

KellyAnne Conway has a picture on her wall of every senior staff member during their swearing-in, including many who aren't there anymore.

The keys to longevity in this regime are "kiss Trump's ass and keep your head down!"

Puppycow 27th December 2018 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12545586)
Mebbe ... mebbe not.

Forbes had an article abut that a few months ago.


There's more. Worth a read, at least.

Interesting. IANAL, but I can't imagine there isn't something somewhere in federal law that defines what "cause" means when it comes to federal employees. Because the federal government is a major employer. Would the same definition also apply to the Fed governors?

quadraginta 27th December 2018 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Polaris (Post 12545953)
The TL;DR version:

KellyAnne Conway has a picture on her wall of every senior staff member during their swearing-in, including many who aren't there anymore.


Out of thirty senior White House officials in the photo twenty are gone.

Definitely "many". Mebbe even 'most'.

Lots of the "very best people" I guess.

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The keys to longevity in this regime are "kiss Trump's ass and keep your head down!"

Which will work until a scapegoat is needed.

quadraginta 27th December 2018 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Puppycow (Post 12545999)
Interesting. IANAL, but I can't imagine there isn't something somewhere in federal law that defines what "cause" means when it comes to federal employees. Because the federal government is a major employer. Would the same definition also apply to the Fed governors?


Beats me. Seems like Forbes would have been able to unearth something. But they didn't.

It sure reads like it's the President's call, kinda like Congress getting to decide what constitutes an impeachable offense.

Trebuchet 27th December 2018 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12544957)

Can't get the page to load. Outdated? Or is it... a conspiracy!

quadraginta 27th December 2018 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12546016)
Can't get the page to load. Outdated? Or is it... a conspiracy!


Still works for me.

Foolmewunz 28th December 2018 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12546016)
Can't get the page to load. Outdated? Or is it... a conspiracy!

Works from over here. The upshot is in the final visual aid. Trump started out with 30 senior White House/Administrative staff. Twenty have gone. Of those ten remaining, two are family and three are spin doctors. The only policy maker of note in there is the ever-dangerous Stephen Miller.

Trebuchet 28th December 2018 10:49 AM

Yeah, it's working now. Sad!

d4m10n 29th December 2018 03:56 PM

Bloomberg politics has a review thinkpiece feat. "all the top officials who have left the Trump administration."

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status...52180559155201

Foolmewunz 30th December 2018 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12547299)
Bloomberg politics has a review thinkpiece feat. "all the top officials who have left the Trump administration."

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status...52180559155201

There was a discussion last week of the people in the photo from the swearing in of aides the first day of the administration. Of the 30 people in that photo, twenty are gone and of the ten remaining two are family and three are spin doctors. Of the remaining five, four are people no one's ever heard of!

The Bloomberg piece allows for people still in place who are already replacements, themselves so actually looks much more favorable. e.g. Bolton shown as an active photo and the person he replaced being a red (no longer there) photo. Since you kinda/sorta have to replace everyone the inauguration day swearing in photo is much more indicative of the MACA (make America chaotic again) mindset.

d4m10n 31st December 2018 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz (Post 12548094)
There was a discussion last week of the people in the photo from the swearing in of aides the first day of the administration. Of the 30 people in that photo, twenty are gone and of the ten remaining two are family and three are spin doctors. Of the remaining five, four are people no one's ever heard of!

Found a higher resolution photo from that event.

Attachment 39392

Second row is all but wiped out by now.

Norman Alexander 3rd January 2019 11:33 PM

Well, we know who is left. Do we want to start a book?

Stacyhs 4th January 2019 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12552177)
Well, we know who is left. Do we want to start a book?

Make sure it has refillable pages.

Craig4 5th January 2019 08:06 AM

This Friday when her employees don't get paid would be an ideal moment for Kristjen Nielsen to resign in protest. It might be the one thing she could do at this point to try to rehabilitate herself.

Trebuchet 5th January 2019 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12553544)
This Friday when her employees don't get paid would be an ideal moment for Kristjen Nielsen to resign in protest. It might be the one thing she could do at this point to try to rehabilitate herself.

Instead, she's pretty much flat-out lying about border security.

portlandatheist 5th January 2019 07:01 PM

Another one bites the dust
https://www.axios.com/pentagon-chief...0d43811f8.html
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Department of Defense chief of staff Rear Adm. Kevin Sweeney has stepped down from his post.

Stacyhs 5th January 2019 08:00 PM

Well, you know that Trump 'basically fired' him. ;)

Craig4 6th January 2019 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12553573)
Instead, she's pretty much flat-out lying about border security.

I really don't get her. She is my age, much too soon to retire. Why didn't she get out when the getting was good? She must be smart enough to realize she will be damaged goods when she leaves now.


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