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Jim_MDP 14th October 2020 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RolandRat (Post 13257100)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgdhp

Donald Trump Is Literally Begging People To Vote For Him, “Suburban women, would you please like me? Please. Please,” he said. “I saved your damn neighbourhood, OK?”

Reality finally kicking in for Trump?

Sally Field's thinking... bro, too much, take it down a notch.
[emoji1]

Stacyhs 14th October 2020 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13257773)
Trump Tweets

So terrible that Facebook and Twitter took down the story of “Smoking Gun” emails related to Sleepy Joe Biden and his son, Hunter, in the @NYPost. It is only the beginning for them. There is nothing worse than a corrupt politician. REPEAL SECTION 230!!!

I'm shocked his phone didn't burst into flames when he tweeted that.

The Atheist 14th October 2020 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP (Post 13257791)
Sally Field's thinking... bro, too much, take it down a notch.
[emoji1]

Nah, that's exactly where you want him.

Just as, when choosing an employee, the most desperate is the worst candidate, so with elections - desperation does not sell and will turn some voters off him.

He's dead and buried and will lose in a landslide.

Aridas 14th October 2020 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom (Post 13257508)
Please PLEASE like me.

lol?

*hugs Venom*

;)


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Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 13257575)
I don't think she's wrong.

I think that some of Trump's humor is self-deprecating. I know that's strange, given how thin his skin is, but pleading "Please like me" is best viewed as a joke and that this is likely endearing to some.

Of course, he's an odd duck. I regard some of his sayings as likely to be self-mocking humor, but it's hard to fit that interpretation with his refusal to admit "covfefe" was a typo. On the other hand, it all fits a bit better when you remember that Spicer said that the word was understood by a mysterious group of insiders. That is another example of something so strange that perhaps it must have been intentional humor.

I think that you're a bit off here. Covfefe was fairly certainly an accident, rather than a joke, and one that quickly had an embarrassing story attached to it (the suggestion that Trump had probably fallen asleep on the toilet) that was being circulated. What happened after that was an effort to save face for Trump, including on Spicer's part. Trump does not like being embarrassed.

The "Please, please like me" bit may well be a half-joke, sure, though. The kind of "joke" that also reveals the true feelings of the speaker. Like - "Russia, if you're listening..."

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13257762)
And new AG Giuliani will do just that.

Or whichever Trump sycophant he can install to do his whim regardless of legality.

The Greater Fool 14th October 2020 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13257799)
*hugs Venom*

;)




I think that you're a bit off here. Covfefe was fairly certainly an accident, rather than a joke, and one that quickly had an embarrassing story attached to it (the suggestion that Trump had probably fallen asleep on the toilet) that was being circulated. What happened after that was an effort to save face for Trump, including on Spicer's part. Trump does not like being embarrassed.

The "Please, please like me" bit may well be a half-joke, sure, though. The kind of "joke" that also reveals the true feelings of the speaker. Like - "Russia, if you're listening..."



Or whichever Trump sycophant he can install to do his whim regardless of legality.

That many a true word hath been spoke in jest.

Skeptic Ginger 14th October 2020 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13257490)

I went to hear Dean talk many years ago at the U of WA. I was impressed by what he had to say. I've posted about this before. He said when you are around the POTUS it's a bit like being around a famous actor. You get caught up in it and that's how professional people like lawyers break laws when they otherwise wouldn't.

I've not read the book but Dean knows his stuff.

Captain_Swoop 14th October 2020 05:24 PM

"I saved the suburbs. I saved the suburbs" -- delusional stuff from Trump

Trump gets distracted by a plane that he describes (dubiously since he's at civilian airport) as "a brand new F-35 fighter jet. You can't see it." He then claims that the military was out of ammunition when he took over.

Safe-Keeper 14th October 2020 05:35 PM

What's this F-35? Is that some obscure designation for the hydrosonic super-duper?

Captain_Swoop 14th October 2020 05:47 PM

Trump tells his story again about he how and Melania recently watched the evening news expecting to see coverage of his Nobel nominations, but were dismayed that the news was covering a hurricane in Florida and flooding in Iowa instead. This is supposed to make the media look bad.

Stacyhs 14th October 2020 05:48 PM

I'm looking forward to this being the last continuation of "The Trump Presidency".

Safe-Keeper 14th October 2020 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13257888)
I'm looking forward to this being the last continuation of "The Trump Presidency".

It actually might just be. Gods, that'd be lovely.

Safe-Keeper 14th October 2020 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13257886)
Trump tells his story again about he how and Melania recently watched the evening news expecting to see coverage of his Nobel nominations, but were dismayed that the news was covering a hurricane in Florida and flooding in Iowa instead. This is supposed to make the media look bad.

Isn't there some kind of election coming up where Florida is important to Drumpf in some way or another? I'm just thinking maybe even pretending to care about them might have been more helpful to him?

Norman Alexander 14th October 2020 05:56 PM

Just as a general comment, I'm seeing Trump has no eye for details. Everything for him is some sort of big concept, with any details and follow-up to be completed by minions. He just has these big ideas. For example:

Trade deals with Gyna. Handshakes, smoojing and formal dinners are Trump's thing. But any guidance for actual policy and treaties, not so much. That's for the minions to do to make him look good. So far, not a lot of progress.

The Wall. Big picture - Trump wants it built. Small picture - way too expensive, growing local opposition, Mexico says stick the invoice up your arse, and it is utterly ineffective anyway. But the minions involved are still trying to make this happen for him by pretending that any replacement wall is "new". Good enough for Trump's 30,000ft view!

Healthcare, specifically demolishing Obama's ACA. An EO is as far as he knows what to do, and that in itself is merely a directive for somebody to do something...after four years just ranting about it to everyone in earshot. He just wants the minions to get it done, and tell him when it is so he can claim the credit. His overarching aim is to stick it to Obama, not anything to do with the pesky details of pre-existing conditions, or cheaper costs, etc.

Middle East peace. He wants it done for his own ego. So he delegates to the chinless wonder, Kushner, who faffs about "meeting people" and being generally ignored for a few years. As Trump's and Beni's fortunes wane, some countries there see an opportunity to play power politics in the region and get cheap weapons, a long-running sport more popular there than soccer. So they play nice and pretend he has convinced them. Lo! Trump, who quite literally can be distracted by a shiny ball, claims he has created "peace in our time" in a region riddled with a myriad of complexities. Will he sell them the invisible F-35's? That's merely a detail he cares nothing about.

There are plenty of other instances. But generally, Trump is not a details person. He has always just had the "big ideas". He pays minions to make them happen. And that's how he expected the presidency to run, and how expects the election will fall in his favour. Make it so, Number One!

Babbylonian 14th October 2020 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13257898)

There are plenty of other instances. But generally, Trump is not a details person. He has always just had the "big ideas". He pays minions to make them happen. And that's how he expected the presidency to run, and how expects the election will fall in his favour. Make it so, Number One!

Which could be workable except that his only criterion for hiring minions is whether or not they will agree with everything he says and constantly praise him. No other qualification matters.

Norman Alexander 14th October 2020 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13257911)
Which could be workable except that his only criterion for hiring minions is whether or not they will agree with everything he says and constantly praise him. No other qualification matters.

AKA - Ass Kissing Ability

Minoosh 14th October 2020 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13257871)
"I saved the suburbs. I saved the suburbs" -- delusional stuff from Trump

Trump gets distracted by a plane that he describes (dubiously since he's at civilian airport) as "a brand new F-35 fighter jet. You can't see it." He then claims that the military was out of ammunition when he took over.

Maybe he's saying a bunch of batcrap crazy stuff in order to goad more news organizations into covering his rallies live.

ETA: nm, he's been saying this for a year.

Skeptic Ginger 14th October 2020 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13257888)
I'm looking forward to this being the last continuation of "The Trump Presidency".

When he loses, this thread will not go away.

Babbylonian 14th October 2020 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13257922)
When he loses, this thread will not go away.

Perhaps, though, it could be renamed"The Trump Ex-Presidency."

Trebuchet 14th October 2020 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13257922)
When he loses, this thread will not go away.

Neither will Trump.

The Atheist 14th October 2020 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13257888)
I'm looking forward to this being the last continuation of "The Trump Presidency".

You're a bit soon. With 3300 posts, this one's about to expire, but be contented that the next continuation will be the last.

After that, you can have "How many years jail will Trump get?"

Stacyhs 14th October 2020 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13257923)
Perhaps, though, it could be renamed"The Trump Ex-Presidency."

Yes, the next thread will have to be named something else. The Trump Post Mortem Thread?

Ladewig 14th October 2020 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13257898)
Just as a general comment, I'm seeing Trump has no eye for details. Everything for him is some sort of big concept, with any details and follow-up to be completed by minions. He just has these big ideas. For example:

Exactly. His contribution to the folks working on a tax cut package was “Make the reduction 15 or 20 or25%. Some multiple of five.”




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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13257911)
Which could be workable except that his only criterion for hiring minions is whether or not they will agree with everything he says and constantly praise him. No other qualification matters.

Yes. Someone could walk into the Oval Office covered in blood, holding a smoking gun in one hand a box marked “state secrets to sell to China” in the other, but if he fawned over “Mr. President, Sir” then he’d get hired (and Trump would publicly describe him as one of the smartest men he has ever met).

Ladewig 14th October 2020 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13257923)
Perhaps, though, it could be renamed"The Trump Ex-Presidency."

I figured it would be called “Trump and the never-ending lawsuit.”

Craig4 14th October 2020 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Atheist (Post 13257927)
You're a bit soon. With 3300 posts, this one's about to expire, but be contented that the next continuation will be the last.

After that, you can have "How many years jail will Trump get?"

After the story today, maybe a lot. The laundering of the Egyptian loan that Trump then loaned to the campaign crossed into a fairly serious felony. This isn't Cohen and a campaign finance violation. This could be a money laundering charge as the money laundered was then used to commit a crime. The penalties here could mean real time.

alfaniner 14th October 2020 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13257932)
Yes, the next thread will have to be named something else. The Trump Post Mortem Thread?

I'm hoping for "The Trump Lame Duck Thread".

Bob001 14th October 2020 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 13257877)
What's this F-35? Is that some obscure designation for the hydrosonic super-duper?

The F35 is a real fighter. But the first test flight was in 2006. Trump didn't have anything to do with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockhe...5_Lightning_II

SezMe 14th October 2020 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 13257877)
What's this F-35? Is that some obscure designation for the hydrosonic super-duper?


The USA's premier fighter/bomber
.

SezMe 14th October 2020 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 13257575)
I don't think she's wrong.

I think that some of Trump's humor is self-deprecating. I know that's strange, given how thin his skin is, but pleading "Please like me" is best viewed as a joke and that this is likely endearing to some.

Of course, he's an odd duck. I regard some of his sayings as likely to be self-mocking humor, but it's hard to fit that interpretation with his refusal to admit "covfefe" was a typo. On the other hand, it all fits a bit better when you remember that Spicer said that the word was understood by a mysterious group of insiders. That is another example of something so strange that perhaps it must have been intentional humor.

I think she is wrong. Bigly.

I have seen no evidence that Trump even has a sense of humor. Have you ever seen him laugh. Not smile, which he only does at his rallies, but laugh at something genuinely funny.

Even worse, he think he is utterly incapable of a self-deprecating comment. His ego won't allow it. No, his "Please like me" is best viewed in the context in which it was said: he's way behind in the presidential race and is desperate to turn that around.

With that linkage to Spicer plus saying that something quite strange suggests there is humor involved looks to me like bending over backward to give Trump the benefit of doubt. Trump has given no reason for us to give him that benefit.

Bob001 14th October 2020 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13257922)
When he loses, this thread will not go away.

Neither will he.

alfaniner 14th October 2020 09:56 PM

Maybe he'll start doing a podcast from Trump Tower. Then the thread can be changed to "The Trump Residency."

The Great Zaganza 14th October 2020 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 13258040)
Maybe he'll start doing a podcast from Trump Tower. Then the thread can be changed to "The Trump Residency."

He doesn't own Trump Tower.

Skeptic Ginger 14th October 2020 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13258029)
Neither will he.

That was my point. :)

Ladewig 15th October 2020 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13258024)
I think she is wrong. Bigly.

I have seen no evidence that Trump even has a sense of humor. Have you ever seen him laugh. Not smile, which he only does at his rallies, but laugh at something genuinely funny.

Even worse, he think he is utterly incapable of a self-deprecating comment. His ego won't allow it. No, his "Please like me" is best viewed in the context in which it was said: he's way behind in the presidential race and is desperate to turn that around.

With that linkage to Spicer plus saying that something quite strange suggests there is humor involved looks to me like bending over backward to give Trump the benefit of doubt. Trump has given no reason for us to give him that benefit.

Yes.
He acts like an ill-mannered 5-year-old. And for a poorly behaved child, the word “please” is a last resort. I think for Trump, the expression of desires follows a sequence. Make a demand, yell at people, call people names, make threats, say please.

As for self-deprecating humor, no one would expect a dim-witted 5-year-old to be able to do that. The first step towards that is understanding that other people are independent beings with their own thoughts, feelings, and desires. President Trump incessantly demonstrates that he has not reached this level of emotional maturity. At his age, he most likely never reach that stage. His reactions to getting sick make that quite clear.

TofuFighter 15th October 2020 01:41 AM

The "I saved you damn neighbourhood" follow-up to his "please like me" sentence tells you everything about trump. It's always "i did something for you, now you owe me" and you should be very skeptical of whether he's done what he says he's done.

I see no hint of folksy humour or self-deprecation.

Armitage72 15th October 2020 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TofuFighter (Post 13258140)
The "I saved you damn neighbourhood" follow-up to his "please like me" sentence tells you everything about trump. It's always "i did something for you, now you owe me" and you should be very skeptical of whether he's done what he says he's done.


It's like his recent statement that he's one of the best things that ever happened to Puerto Rico and they had better vote for him.
Ignoring the fact that they don't vote for President, of course.

Aridas 15th October 2020 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13258143)
It's like his recent statement that he's one of the best things that ever happened to Puerto Rico and they had better vote for him.
Ignoring the fact that they don't vote for President, of course.

There's a simple solution for that. Officially make Puerto Rico a state - like had been in the Republican platform.


Elsewhere...

In something that's fairly certain to be rather unsurprising...

'Unmasking' inquiry ordered by Barr finds no wrongdoing by Obama officials – report

Quote:

A federal prosecutor handpicked by the attorney general, William Barr, to investigate whether Obama administration officials had mishandled classified intelligence relating to the Russia investigation has wrapped up his work without finding wrongdoing or considering charges, according to the Washington Post.

The conclusion of an investigation by US attorney John Bash into the so-called “unmasking” of names in intelligence reports by Obama officials was seen as a defeat for Donald Trump and Barr, who appeared to be fishing for damaging information that could be used against former vice=president Joe Biden.

TofuFighter 15th October 2020 02:25 AM

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Aridas 15th October 2020 02:40 AM

To poke at further development in matters that's also unsurprising, albeit much more unpleasant -

New Eyewitness Accounts: Feds Didn’t Identify Themselves Before Opening Fire on Portland Antifa Suspect

Local law enforcement officers deputized as U.S. Marshals have given conflicting accounts of the shooting. Witnesses say they heard no warning before the agents shot Michael Reinoehl dead, an outcome President Trump termed “retribution.’’


To poke at a couple bits from that -

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One deputy U.S. marshal told investigators with the Thurston County sheriff’s office that Reinoehl pointed a gun at him. Another deputy marshal told detectives that Reinoehl had his hand on his pistol and was in the process of pulling the gun out of his pocket when officers fired. The gun was in Reinoehl’s right front pants pocket when detectives recovered it.

Civilian eyewitnesses interviewed by Oregon Public Broadcasting and ProPublica and other public statements offer similarly inconsistent and sometimes conflicting recollections. They agree that they heard no warning from federal agents, and saw no flashing lights that indicated the arrival of law enforcement, just a fusillade that one neighbor likened to a scene out of the video game Call of Duty.

<snip>

Investigators haven’t said how many shots the officers aimed at Reinoehl, but there were so many that the little yellow evidence markers used to identify and protect spent shell casings resembled a miniature tent village.

Captain_Swoop 15th October 2020 02:42 AM

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

So many great people mentioned in this article. Thank you!

‘Trump was sent from God!’: MAGA country brings the rally to a stricken president
An impromptu festival-meets-vigil popped up outside Walter Reed on Sunday, with Trump fans from around the country coming to help their president recover.
politico.com

Captain_Swoop 15th October 2020 02:45 AM

Trump Tweets

So terrible that Facebook and Twitter took down the story of “Smoking Gun” emails related to Sleepy Joe Biden and his son, Hunter, in the @NYPost. It is only the beginning for them. There is nothing worse than a corrupt politician. REPEAL SECTION 230!!!

Joe Biden must immediately release all emails, meetings, phone calls, transcripts, and records related to his involvement in his family’s business dealings and influence peddling around the world—including in CHINA!

I’ve gone through years of a Fake, Illegal, and Totally Discredited Witch-Hunt, and now it’s revealed that it was a Hoax by the “other side”, which must pay a price for what they did. Think of where we’d be now without Fake & Fraudulent stories every night, for years!!!

Congratulations to the @nypost for having exposed the massive corruption surrounding Sleepy Joe Biden and our Country. He’s always been a corrupt politician. Disgraceful!


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