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Stacyhs 4th September 2020 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward (Post 13212650)
You mean another person makes claims without presenting their evidence.

Oh, come on. This is freaking FOX, not some MSNBC.

BobTheCoward 4th September 2020 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13212653)
Oh, come on. This is freaking FOX, not some MSNBC.

Doesn't matter who it is. My expectation is that those making a claim present their evidence.

ETA: I admit this is a luxury. This claim will not change my actions on anything, so I can afford to be conservative.

But if I were to guess, you could also afford to be conservative.

BobTheCoward 4th September 2020 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13212649)
John Kelly needs to speak. He needs to confirm if this happened, which I think it did. It's very much in line with Trump's character and his past behavior. Trump has attacked Kelly and disparaged him. Kelly owes Trump nothing. He owes the American people the truth.

I dont feel owed the details of a private conversation. I have no claim on it.

Lurch 4th September 2020 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13212168)
Trump Tweets

The Atlantic Magazine is dying, like most magazines, so they make up a fake story in order to gain some relevance. Story already refuted, but this is what we are up against. Just like the Fake Dossier. You fight and and fight, and then people realize it was a total fraud!

Great Jobs Numbers! 1.37 Million Jobs Added In August. Unemployment Rate Falls To 8.4% (Wow, much better than expected!). Broke the 10% level faster and deeper than thought possible.

Weak tea on the rebuttal, Donnie. If it was really 'fake news' you'd be screaming about a lawsuit. But you won't, because discovery will lay bare the truth.

Steve 4th September 2020 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward (Post 13212660)
I dont feel owed the details of a private conversation. I have no claim on it.

Yeah, but that’s you.

Stacyhs 4th September 2020 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward (Post 13212660)
I dont feel owed the details of a private conversation. I have no claim on it.

Great. I do feel owed the truth on this.

Aridas 4th September 2020 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13212653)
Oh, come on. This is freaking FOX, not some MSNBC.

Note who you're talking to.

BobTheCoward 4th September 2020 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13212687)
Great. I do feel owed the truth on this.

Why? Based on what principle?

Stacyhs 4th September 2020 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13212688)
Note who you're talking to.

Noted. I will not take that step into the deep and dark abyss.

varwoche 4th September 2020 05:20 PM

Some of you better hope that reincarnation is malarkey. Or if it's real, that you don't come back as a fish. That wouldn't go well.

Stacyhs 4th September 2020 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13212691)
Some of you better hope that reincarnation is malarkey. Or if it's real, that you don't come back as a fish. That wouldn't go well.

OK....that one went right past me like an arrow.....:confused:

pgwenthold 4th September 2020 06:08 PM

So the defense now is that it's not that he hates the military, he's just an *******

BTW, they admit that he is lying in his denial

Crazy Chainsaw 4th September 2020 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgwenthold (Post 13212720)
So the defense now is that it's not that he hates the military, he's just an *******

BTW, they admit that he is lying in his denial

He is the Birtherdent he was born to Lie, some of his lies even break the laws of physics!

Skeptic Ginger 4th September 2020 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13212550)
"Thought we forgot?"

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE

I love it. I wonder if it is getting to any of the Republicans that aren't part of Trump's cult?

phiwum 4th September 2020 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgwenthold (Post 13212720)
So the defense now is that it's not that he hates the military, he's just an *******

BTW, they admit that he is lying in his denial

Link? Who is saying what?

Skeptic Ginger 4th September 2020 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13212631)
Fox News reporter confirms his disdain for the military. Especially the dead ones.

That's good. Is it getting any airtime?

SezMe 4th September 2020 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin (Post 13211537)
I'm seeing election day listed as Nov. 3, myself.

The date I'm referring to came up in a post where I was responding to when the GOP will turn on Trump. I stated it would be the day after he loses, Nov. 4.

TragicMonkey 4th September 2020 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13212772)
The date I'm referring to came up in a post where I was responding to when the GOP will turn on Trump. I stated it would be the day after he loses, Nov. 4.

He'll still be president until the next one gets sworn in. A president can do a lot of things in almost three months. Pardons. Appointments. Firings. Executive orders. He could do a lot of damage if he were a nasty-minded maniac with a penchant for holding grudges.

Who wants to place bets on Trump being mature, dignified, and sane in the face of losing something he really, really wants and really, really feels he deserves?

JoeMorgue 4th September 2020 07:32 PM

I do wonder on a long enough time frame if the "lame duck" period is another thing we need to address and see if it needs adjustment.

shemp 4th September 2020 07:33 PM

Bit late, innit?

Regnad Kcin 4th September 2020 07:39 PM

Nobody seems to recollect this: ”You’re a bunch of dopes and babies!

In short: Of course he referred to military dead as losers. The surprise would be if he managed to never do so.

varwoche 4th September 2020 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13212709)
OK....that one went right past me like an arrow.....:confused:

I refer to the eager and willing bait swallowers.

Resume 4th September 2020 07:50 PM

In a 2018 WH meeting concerning military parades, Trump asked staff not to include wounded vets on the grounds spectators would feel uncomfortable in the presence of amputees, "Nobody wants to see that," he said.

When McCain died in 2018, Trump told his senior staff, according to three sources with direct knowledge of the event, "We're not going to support that that losers's funeral," and became furious according to witnesses when he saw flags lowered to half-staff. "What the **** are we doing that for? Guy was a ******* loser." the president told aides.

This according to the Atlantic article by Jeffrey Goldberg, and confirmed by the Washington Post and Fox News.

Or in other words Commander Bonespurs, you are a disrespectful, lying, cheating, sociopathic, clueless, vain piece of ****. And these are your good qualities.

SezMe 4th September 2020 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey (Post 13212783)
He'll still be president until the next one gets sworn in. A president can do a lot of things in almost three months. Pardons. Appointments. Firings. Executive orders. He could do a lot of damage if he were a nasty-minded maniac with a penchant for holding grudges.

Who wants to place bets on Trump being mature, dignified, and sane in the face of losing something he really, really wants and really, really feels he deserves?

No argument from me. I've stated here - maybe even in this thread - that the period from the election to the inauguration is liable to be one of the worst political **** storms ever seen. But I still believe that starting Nov. 4 the GOP will be distancing themselves from Trump in very notable ways. I also expect Fox to start rewriting history in cahoots with the GOP.

Ladewig 4th September 2020 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trump
The Atlantic Magazine is dying, like most magazines, so they make up a fake story in order to gain some relevance. Story already refuted, but this is what we are up against. Just like the Fake Dossier. You fight and and fight, and then people realize it was a total fraud!
.

There is a profoundly simple way to determine the truth.

In Trump’s next press conference say “I want to give you an opportunity to silence your critics. They say you called the military members who died during war losers and suckers. Would you tell us how you really feel towards America’s soldiers, sailors, and marines who died defending Europe?”

Only a chucklehead or a sociopath could fumble a softball question like that.

Minoosh 4th September 2020 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward (Post 13212689)
Why? Based on what principle?

On the principle of sticking up for "fallen heroes" like his own son, and not enabling this piece of **** who presents a grave danger to national security.

Captain_Swoop 4th September 2020 09:18 PM

Trump Tweets

Thank you to our wonderful First Lady!
Quote Tweet

Melania Trump
@FLOTUS
US government account
.@TheAtlantic story is not true. It has become a very dangerous time when anonymous sources are believed above all else, & no one knows their motivation. This is not journalism - It is activism. And it is a disservice to the people of our great nation.

Captain_Swoop 4th September 2020 09:19 PM

Trump Retweeted

Sarah Huckabee Sanders
@SarahHuckabee
The Atlantic story on @realDonaldTrump is total BS. I was actually there and one of the people part of the discussion - this never happened. I have sat in the room when our President called family members after their sons were killed in action and it was heart-wrenching...

These were some of the moments I witnessed the President show his heart and demonstrate how much he respects the selfless and courageous men and women of our military. I am disgusted by this false attack.

Captain_Swoop 4th September 2020 09:21 PM

Trump Retweeted

J. Hogan Gidley
@JHoganGidley
Thanks to @realDonaldTrump's economic policies and leadership, America added 1.4 million jobs last month!

The United States has now recovered almost HALF (48%) of the jobs lost during the China virus shutdown.

President Trump re-built this economy once - he's doing it again!!!

Aridas 4th September 2020 09:22 PM

Well, while we can expect some new diversion from Trump's disdain for our troops, it's not like the previous problems went away.

Congresswoman blocked from touring mail facility by Postal Service police

Quote:

U.S. Postal Service police barred Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz from entering two mail sorting facilities in Florida in the early morning hours on Friday, threatening to escort her from the property if she didn't leave.

The Florida Democrat, who sits on the House Oversight Committee, said she aimed to inspect a mail plant in Opa-locka and Northwest Miami-Dade. Wasserman Schultz said union members told her about conditions at the processing centers and shared pictures that showed pallets of undelivered mail marked with a receipt date of "July 23."
While the Post Office claims excessively short notice as the reason - that really doesn't hold water, especially given context -

Quote:

As a member of the Oversight Committee, Wasserman Schultz said it is her job to inspect the Postal Service and its facilities. She said DeJoy has already "obstructed the committee" by not providing documents and data her committee has requested.

Sudden new requirements for "lengthy visitation protocols" that she did not have to follow when visiting facility earlier this year, she said, only served as further obstruction.

“There are no children, defense secrets or sick patients behind those doors," Wasserman Schultz said. "I’m perfectly capable of observing the work being done at a safe social distance, which I did without a lengthy delay or incident earlier this year. Denying Congress access to the facilities, is denying the vital public oversight of our mail system.”
That, and that the Post Office previously...

Quote:

Rep. Brenda Lawrence and Sen. Gary Peters, both Michigan Democrats, visited a similar facility in Michigan last month. An aide to Peters said Friday that local union leaders had told the two members of Congress that the plant had been intentionally cleared of delayed mail because of their impending arrival.

Minoosh 4th September 2020 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13212828)
There is a profoundly simple way to determine the truth.

In Trump’s next press conference say “I want to give you an opportunity to silence your critics. They say you called the military members who died during war losers and suckers. Would you tell us how you really feel towards America’s soldiers, sailors, and marines who died defending Europe?”

Only a chucklehead or a sociopath could fumble a softball question like that.

Only a loser would die defending Europe.

Captain_Swoop 4th September 2020 09:23 PM

Trump Retweeted

Matt Schlapp
@mschlapp
The Losers and Suckers work for the Atlantic.
They are colluding w the socialists to stop Trump.
The more the swamp and the establishment fight dirty the more Trump is revered by Americans.
1000s more MAGA flags went up today

This election is much more than a decision between
@JoeBiden & @realDonaldTrump. This election determines whether America will continue to serve as a beacon of freedom around the world or fall for the empty promises of socialism. It’s #AmericaVsSocialism.


@PamBondi is disgusted by the socialist, big city mayors refusing to allow @realDonaldTrump to help protect American citizens as rioters run roughshod over their cities. Hear more from our conversation on today’s #CPACLive

Captain_Swoop 4th September 2020 09:28 PM

Trump retweeted

Sharyl Attkisson
@SharylAttkisson
He is the only president to be the subject of false news stories by by NBC and Newsweek that each claimed he was golfing or otherwise ignoring the troops on different holidays when he was actually flying to spend the holiday with the troops in a combat zone.

“President Trump Is Only the Third US President to Spend Thanksgiving with US Troops in a Combat Zone or US Troops Anywhere.” (President George H. W. Bush spent Thanksgiving in Iraq in 1990. His son President George W. Bush spent Thanksgiving in Iraq in 2003.)

Melania Trump Became the First First Lady to Spend Christmastime Visiting US Troops in a War Zone. (Thanksgiving, too.)
Trump Is First President Since George W. Bush to Spend Thanksgiving with the Troops in a Foreign Country.

Trump Is the Only US President to Visit the Troops in a Combat Zone So Close to Christmas Day.

President Trump Is the Only US President in History to Visit US Troops Both in a Combat Zone on Thanksgiving and So Close to Christmas.

In fairness, did you know the following that nobody reported?
Trump Is One of Only Three US Presidents to Spend Thanksgiving Day with US Troops in a Combat Zone. (The other 2 were President George H. W. Bush & President George W. Bush.)

He is the only president to be the subject of false news stories by by NBC and Newsweek that each claimed he was golfing or otherwise ignoring the troops on different holidays when he was actually flying to spend the holiday with the troops in a combat zone.

He is also under attack by pharmaceutical industry for his landmark executive order that says US pharma companies have to give Americans the same price for prescription medicine that they give foreigners. Right now, I many cases, we pay exponentially more in US.

Trump's actions and talk of ending Afghan war and drawing down troops in Germany have not made him popular among the powerful networks of defense/intel contractors & military officials who support the system that makes billions of $$ off of the status quo.

More about all of that in my new book SLANTED: HOW THE NEWS MEDIA TAUGHT US TO LOVE CENSORSHIP AND HATE JOURNALISM.

Captain_Swoop 4th September 2020 09:31 PM

Trump Tweets

Thank you Mark!
Quote Tweet

MARK SIMONE
@MarkSimoneNY
I remember when President Trump met a veteran wounded so badly that he had no arms. The President reached out and touched his face so he would feel the human contact. #trump #MAGA #Veterans #VeteransForTrump

Captain_Swoop 4th September 2020 09:34 PM

Trump Tweets

First Lady Melania Trump Hits Back: ‘The Atlantic Story Is Not True‘ https://breitbart.com/politics/2020/...y-is-not-true/ via @BreitbartNews

Captain_Swoop 4th September 2020 09:35 PM

Trump Tweets

Jennifer Griffin of Fox News Did Not Confirm ‘Most Salacious‘ Part of Atlantic Story https://breitbart.com/2020-election/...tlantic-story/ via @BreitbartNews
All refuted by many witnesses. Jennifer Griffin should be fired for this kind of reporting. Never even called us for comment. @FoxNewsis gone!

Exclusive: Nearly 700 U.S. Veterans Issue Open Letter in Support of Trump https://breitbart.com/politics/2020/...port-of-trump/ via @BreitbartNews Thank you! As we get closer and closer to the November 3rd Election, and as my poll numbers rocket up, the attacks get more and more vicious. I love our HEROES!

The Great Zaganza 4th September 2020 09:39 PM

Of course Trump said that.
And of course he didn't really mean it, because he just doesn't care at all.

Trump just can't stand praising anyone or have anyone praised in his presence: for him, respect is a zero-sum game, and because he can't earn any for himself, he has to tear everyone else down below his level to feel taller.

Cain 4th September 2020 09:51 PM

"[Vietnam] was a stupid war. Anyone who went was a sucker." -- Donald J. Trump

I'm inclined to agree, but a lot of men were drafted. Otherwise, shouldn't Trump-supporters find this this refreshingly anti-PC? Of course, Trump comes at it from the perspective of pure self-interest, so the people who died are not only suckers but "losers." The killing anyone signed up for is moot.

Bob001 4th September 2020 10:05 PM

Trump trashes Kelly.
Quote:

President Trump on Friday denounced former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly as a “tough-guy” who “didn’t do a good job” and got fired.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/04/trump-...en-john-kelly/

dann 4th September 2020 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13212863)
Trump Tweets

Thank you Mark!
Quote Tweet

MARK SIMONE
@MarkSimoneNY
I remember when President Trump met a veteran wounded so badly that he had no arms. The President reached out and touched his face so he would feel the human contact, and then we all stared in awe as the veteran's arms miraculously grew back. #trump #MAGA #Veterans #VeteransForTrump


FTFY.

Skeptic Ginger 4th September 2020 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13212849)
Trump Tweets

Thank you to our wonderful First Lady!
Quote Tweet

Melania Trump
@FLOTUS
US government account
.@TheAtlantic story is not true. It has become a very dangerous time when anonymous sources are believed above all else, & no one knows their motivation. This is not journalism - It is activism. And it is a disservice to the people of our great nation.

:dl:

Minoosh 4th September 2020 10:28 PM

Of course the story is plausible. And IMO that's a problem for Trump. I think anyone who knows him can well imagine that he said such things. One thing I do wonder, why is the story coming out now? These events took place months or years ago.

ETA: That said, I believe every word of it.

Minoosh 4th September 2020 10:33 PM

From a tweet posted above:
Quote:

“President Trump Is Only the Third US President to Spend Thanksgiving with US Troops in a Combat Zone or US Troops Anywhere.” (President George H. W. Bush spent Thanksgiving in Iraq in 1990. His son President George W. Bush spent Thanksgiving in Iraq in 2003.)
It's probably going to bug the hell out him to acknowledge that he's only the third president to spend Thanksgiving in a war zone.

Stacyhs 4th September 2020 10:45 PM

It was probably the happiest Thanksgiving Melania's had since she's been married.

Stacyhs 4th September 2020 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13212867)
Trump Tweets

Jennifer Griffin of Fox News Did Not Confirm ‘Most Salacious‘ Part of Atlantic Story https://breitbart.com/2020-election/...tlantic-story/ via @BreitbartNews
All refuted by many witnesses. Jennifer Griffin should be fired for this kind of reporting. Never even called us for comment. @FoxNewsis gone!

Exclusive: Nearly 700 U.S. Veterans Issue Open Letter in Support of Trump https://breitbart.com/politics/2020/...port-of-trump/ via @BreitbartNews Thank you! As we get closer and closer to the November 3rd Election, and as my poll numbers rocket up, the attacks get more and more vicious. I love our HEROES!

If you consider a 43.5% approval rating 'skyrocketing up'.

KDLarsen 5th September 2020 01:20 AM

Another one from the "Mandatory pointless lie about a trivial thing"-file:
Quote:

“Trump claims he "called home, I spoke to my wife and I said 'I hate this. I came here to go to that ceremony.' And to the one that was the following day which I did go to. I said I feel terribly. And that was the end of it."
Facts First: Melania Trump was on the same trip with the President and was scheduled to attend the cemetery visit. She was not in the US.“
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/04/p...eck/index.html

Orphia Nay 5th September 2020 01:37 AM

Looking into this, there doesn't seem to be any evidence of the Atlantic "suckers and losers" alleged quote.

Nobody has said they were there to hear it, and it wasn't written by anyone.

I'm disappointed by The Atlantic.

Aridas 5th September 2020 01:45 AM

Trump orders crackdown on federal antiracism training, calling it 'anti-American'

Memo directs officials to identify spending related to training on ‘critical race theory’ and ‘white privilege’


Quote:

Donald Trump has directed the Office of Management and Budget to crack down on federal agencies’ antiracism training sessions, calling them “divisive, anti-American propaganda”.
Diversion time?

Ladewig 5th September 2020 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13212863)
Trump Tweets

Thank you Mark!
Quote Tweet

MARK SIMONE
@MarkSimoneNY
I remember when President Trump met a veteran wounded so badly that he had no arms. The President reached out and touched his face so he would feel the human contact. #trump #MAGA #Veterans #VeteransForTrump

So many responses.

A. And then the whole bus cheered.1

B. And then the woman sailor said, “please stop touching me, you creepy creep.”

C. And then the sailor’s arms grew back, because, you know, God sent Donald Trump to do His work here in America.

D. And a photographer began focusing his camera, but President Donald J Trump said in a clear, strong voice, “Stop. Your presence cheapens this moment. Leave.”

E. And then Donald Trump asked the soldier. “Are you thirsty? Because I can hold up a glass of water for you. Hold it up in one hand?

F. And then the airman said, “America wants your face on Mt. Rushmore, Mr. President, sir. And we don’t mind at all that the rain prevented you from visiting that cemetery and besides all those Europeans are freeloaders anyway.”



........
(1) the kids use this phrase to say “there’s a lot of fakiness in that fake story.”

commandlinegamer 5th September 2020 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay (Post 13212986)
Looking into this, there doesn't seem to be any evidence of the Atlantic "suckers and losers" alleged quote.

Nobody has said they were there to hear it, and it wasn't written by anyone.

I'm disappointed by The Atlantic.

Whether true or not, it fits the pattern of pervious behaviour.

But for supporters, if uncorroborated, it may not be enough to change their mind. For those against him, it doesn't change much either.

I would have thought though, with regard to the cemetery, if a US president wanted to visit war graves, heaven and earth would have been moved to make it happen.


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