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Captain_Swoop 29th March 2021 04:47 AM

How is Johnson still PM?

Only a few years ago it would have been inconceivable that a man with his lifestyle and reputation surrounded by so many scandals would have got anywhere near public office.

zooterkin 29th March 2021 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13438376)
Just because he got sacked twice for lying, cheated on his first wife with his second wife, cheated on his second wife with Jennifer Arcuri then his future third wife, doesn't mean you can't trust him.

Not to mention, as I've seen asserted on Twitter, that given his obvious disdain for using condoms (evidenced by the uncertainty over how many children he has fathered), and his wide range of sexual partners, that he is quite likely to be responsible for his second wife's cervical cancer (which is often caused by HPV, a sexually transmitted virus). On the other hand, she must have had some idea of his proclivities.

The Don 29th March 2021 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13438705)
How is Johnson still PM?

Only a few years ago it would have been inconceivable that a man with his lifestyle and reputation surrounded by so many scandals would have got anywhere near public office.

IMO it's not just an acceptance of this kind of thing among the British public. A different politician who had done the same things would have found their career ended, or at least significantly curtailed.

There's something about Boris Johnson's scatty toff act that enough of the electorate like to keep him in post - unfortunately.

Captain_Swoop 29th March 2021 06:36 AM

PM press sec Allegra Stratton says of Boris Johnson: "He does believe in the wider principles of integrity and honesty.

"He acts with integrity and honesty and he follows the Nolan principles when conducting himself in public life".

She has insisted he followed "all legal requirements" in his alleged affair with Jennifer Arcuri - so that's all right then!

She said the IOPC report found claims of impropriety against him were "untrue and unfounded".

the IOPC never looked at this. They left it to the GLA Oversight committee to see if there had been any breach of Nolan principles.

Has Allegra Stratton ever met Boris Johnson or even know who he is?

Captain_Swoop 29th March 2021 06:37 AM

The Nolan Principles (I had to look it up):

Selflessness.
Integrity.
Objectivity.
Accountability.
Openness.
Honesty.
Leadership.

Captain_Swoop 29th March 2021 06:38 AM

He denied in an interview with Andrew Marr that there was any interest to declare.

gypsyjackson 29th March 2021 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13438795)
The Nolan Principles (I had to look it up):

Selflessness.
Integrity.
Objectivity.
Accountability.
Openness.
Honesty.
Leadership.

I thought they were:

Dancin’
Romancin’
Givin’ it all tonight.

The Don 29th March 2021 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13438792)
PM press sec Allegra Stratton says of Boris Johnson: "He does believe in the wider principles of integrity and honesty.

What an interesting thing to say. I'd parse that as "Even though he isn't honest himself, or exhibit integrity he does believe that such virtues exist".


Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13438792)
"He acts with integrity and honesty and he follows the Nolan principles when conducting himself in public life".

Another interesting thing to say. Presumably this means that he doesn't act with integrity and honesty or follow the Nolan principles in his private life.

Of course he doesn't in his public life but at least he's prepared to admit the former. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13438792)
She has insisted he followed "all legal requirements" in his alleged affair with Jennifer Arcuri - so that's all right then!

So not strictly illegal then ?

btw, who was he cheating on at the time ?

Vixen 29th March 2021 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13438795)
The Nolan Principles (I had to look it up):

Selflessness.
Integrity.
Objectivity.
Accountability.
Openness.
Honesty.
Leadership.

No, silly. Boris was talking about the Nolans.

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Filippo Lippi 29th March 2021 08:29 AM

Satire

Are we familiar with the youtube work of Mark N'est Francois Pas/Michael Govern Ready from Twitter? It's very funny

Vixen 29th March 2021 08:32 AM

Another current affairs topic for today is the report being submitted recommending that the term 'BAME' be replaced, as covering too wide a range of various ethnic groupings.

I spotted this neat clip of MP David Lammy on LBC today pitted against 'Jean' who tells him he is 'not English' and that England is being 'polluted'. Lammy is impressively articulate. How he remained patient is incredible to behold.

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/statu...073735683?s=20

'Jean' who is of the older generation so Lammy makes allowances for her, because people's beliefs are shaped by the times and mores they live in but I was really amused when Jean (or was it someone responding to his thread) disputed a claim that the Queen was 'not English' due to the Saxe-Coburg line, to which came the reply she is very English as King Alfred the Great is 'her 32 great-grandfather'.

To people like Jean, she just doesn't get, as Lammy explained to her, that England is a mixture of many different ethnicities, and as he says, Danes and what have you. Nobody likes being 'all lumped together' so it is hard to see the attraction of white supremacy when in itself it contains multiple ethnic identities.

Captain_Swoop 29th March 2021 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13438809)
So not strictly illegal then ?

btw, who was he cheating on at the time ?



London taxpayers.

Vixen 29th March 2021 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi (Post 13438912)
Satire

Are we familiar with the youtube work of Mark N'est Francois Pas/Michael Govern Ready from Twitter? It's very funny

Hahaha, brilliant.

Pixel42 29th March 2021 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13438915)
Another current affairs topic for today is the report being submitted recommending that the term 'BAME' be replaced, as covering too wide a range of various ethnic groupings.

I spotted this neat clip of MP David Lammy on LBC today pitted against 'Jean' who tells him he is 'not English' and that England is being 'polluted'. Lammy is impressively articulate. How he remained patient is incredible to behold.

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/statu...073735683?s=20

'Jean' who is of the older generation so Lammy makes allowances for her, because people's beliefs are shaped by the times and mores they live in but I was really amused when Jean (or was it someone responding to his thread) disputed a claim that the Queen was 'not English' due to the Saxe-Coburg line, to which came the reply she is very English as King Alfred the Great is 'her 32 great-grandfather'.

To people like Jean, she just doesn't get, as Lammy explained to her, that England is a mixture of many different ethnicities, and as he says, Danes and what have you. Nobody likes being 'all lumped together' so it is hard to see the attraction of white supremacy when in itself it contains multiple ethnic identities.

It's depressing how many people think English is an ethnicity rather than a nationality. What nationality do they think Lenny Henry is? Or, indeed, the current Home Secretary, Chancellor of the Exchequer and Mayor of London?

Vixen 29th March 2021 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pixel42 (Post 13438928)
It's depressing how many people think English is an ethnicity rather than a nationality. What nationality do they think Lenny Henry is? Or, indeed, the current Home Secretary, Chancellor of the Exchequer and Mayor of London?

Or even the current Foreign Secretary.

The weird thing about 'Jean' is that she claims she knows she is English as she researched that her name goes back to the middle ages. Clearly, she is not aware many immigrants adopted new names - for example, refuges from Nazi Germany, Poland and the Baltic States - to assimilate and to avoid further persecution, although many did not.

And to actually ring up someone on LBC public airwaves and tell them they are 'not English' is appallingly bad manners.

Captain_Swoop 30th March 2021 10:07 AM

The hundreds & thousands of pounds UK govt paid to Jennifer Arcuri due to her relationship with Boris Johnson has created a fuss the real story is the amount of of undisclosed money funnelled to Arcuri which could be over a million.

We should be asking is how a bankrupt waitress being sued for $100 000 in unpaid student fees ended up with a million dollars plopping into her company which had no assets or income apart from the govt grants Boris arranged for her.

2004-8: University, Wisconsin
2008-11: Works at a restaurant in California
2011: Moves to London, meets Boris
2012: Starts IT firm on public money
2018: No business generated income but $1 million drops in her account

Where this money came from?
What did the provider of this money receive in return?


ETA
More like $2 million if you combine both of her companies, Innotech and Hacker House.

Captain_Swoop 1st April 2021 03:19 AM

Prime Minister Boris Johnson's senior adviser on ethnic minorities is to stand down, it has emerged.

Samuel Kasumu will leave the role next month. He had previously handed in his resignation in February, before retracting it.

Downing Street sources rejected suggestions his departure was linked to the findings of a government-commissioned report on race.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56601166

Filippo Lippi 1st April 2021 05:19 AM

I hope he has too much integrity to take any hush money offered

Vixen 1st April 2021 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13439962)
The hundreds & thousands of pounds UK govt paid to Jennifer Arcuri due to her relationship with Boris Johnson has created a fuss the real story is the amount of of undisclosed money funnelled to Arcuri which could be over a million.

We should be asking is how a bankrupt waitress being sued for $100 000 in unpaid student fees ended up with a million dollars plopping into her company which had no assets or income apart from the govt grants Boris arranged for her.

2004-8: University, Wisconsin
2008-11: Works at a restaurant in California
2011: Moves to London, meets Boris
2012: Starts IT firm on public money
2018: No business generated income but $1 million drops in her account

Where this money came from?
What did the provider of this money receive in return?


ETA
More like $2 million if you combine both of her companies, Innotech and Hacker House.

There is more to this than meets the eye. The Murdoch /Barclays press have known all about this since at least 2016 when Johnson was Mayor of London, so you have to ask why is it all only coming to roost now? They waited until 'Brexit' was done and that the people had voted in the referendum and the General Election the way their newspapers had told them to vote. Acuri declined to confirm an affair in her TV intterview last year but now she is gushing away like a river bursting its dam.

Either she is suddenly covering her own back, fearing she herself is under investigation for serious financial issues so she is pointing the finger at Johnson to wriggle out of it.

So now Murdoch and Barclays seem ready to turn on their hitherto 'golden boy'.


Watch this space.

Vixen 1st April 2021 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13441892)
Prime Minister Boris Johnson's senior adviser on ethnic minorities is to stand down, it has emerged.

Samuel Kasumu will leave the role next month. He had previously handed in his resignation in February, before retracting it.

Downing Street sources rejected suggestions his departure was linked to the findings of a government-commissioned report on race.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56601166

Tony Sewell, head of the commission is laughable with his theory that race inequality is due to single parent families and all to do with self-help. Any sociologist can tell you that idea went out with the dinosaurs.

jimbob 2nd April 2021 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13438915)
Another current affairs topic for today is the report being submitted recommending that the term 'BAME' be replaced, as covering too wide a range of various ethnic groupings.

I spotted this neat clip of MP David Lammy on LBC today pitted against 'Jean' who tells him he is 'not English' and that England is being 'polluted'. Lammy is impressively articulate. How he remained patient is incredible to behold.

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/statu...073735683?s=20

'Jean' who is of the older generation so Lammy makes allowances for her, because people's beliefs are shaped by the times and mores they live in but I was really amused when Jean (or was it someone responding to his thread) disputed a claim that the Queen was 'not English' due to the Saxe-Coburg line, to which came the reply she is very English as King Alfred the Great is 'her 32 great-grandfather'.

To people like Jean, she just doesn't get, as Lammy explained to her, that England is a mixture of many different ethnicities, and as he says, Danes and what have you. Nobody likes being 'all lumped together' so it is hard to see the attraction of white supremacy when in itself it contains multiple ethnic identities.

Luckily the authors overstretched in a memorable way that will discredit them.

With their idea to look for the positives of the slave trade

quadraginta 3rd April 2021 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13439004)
Or even the current Foreign Secretary.

The weird thing about 'Jean' is that she claims she knows she is English as she researched that her name goes back to the middle ages. Clearly, she is not aware many immigrants adopted new names - for example, refuges from Nazi Germany, Poland and the Baltic States - to assimilate and to avoid further persecution, although many did not.

And to actually ring up someone on LBC public airwaves and tell them they are 'not English' is appallingly bad manners.


I wonder if this works both ways.

My father's side of the family came to "the Colonies" in 1640. Before that little is known of the man who settled here beyond his having been a tailor in London, but the surname suggests an origin somewhere on one side or another of the Scottish border. Probably a recent origin, considering the politics of the time and his desire to get the hell out of England.

On my mother's side, by coincidence the year was the same, but the circumstances were different, a middle class Puritan whose English lineage was traceable for at least a few centuries before he came here.

I might be more English than "Jean".

catsmate 3rd April 2021 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13438915)
Another current affairs topic for today is the report being submitted recommending that the term 'BAME' be replaced, as covering too wide a range of various ethnic groupings.

I spotted this neat clip of MP David Lammy on LBC today pitted against 'Jean' who tells him he is 'not English' and that England is being 'polluted'. Lammy is impressively articulate. How he remained patient is incredible to behold.

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/statu...073735683?s=20

'Jean' who is of the older generation so Lammy makes allowances for her, because people's beliefs are shaped by the times and mores they live in but I was really amused when Jean (or was it someone responding to his thread) disputed a claim that the Queen was 'not English' due to the Saxe-Coburg line, to which came the reply she is very English as King Alfred the Great is 'her 32 great-grandfather'.

To people like Jean, she just doesn't get, as Lammy explained to her, that England is a mixture of many different ethnicities, and as he says, Danes and what have you. Nobody likes being 'all lumped together' so it is hard to see the attraction of white supremacy when in itself it contains multiple ethnic identities.

QE2 is also descended from William the Bastard and his great-great-great grandfather Rollo, an even bigger bastard.

catsmate 3rd April 2021 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13438705)
How is Johnson still PM?

Only a few years ago it would have been inconceivable that a man with his lifestyle and reputation surrounded by so many scandals would have got anywhere near public office.

Brexit and the playing to the blind xenophobic Brexiteers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13443061)
Luckily the authors overstretched in a memorable way that will discredit them.

With their idea to look for the positives of the slave trade

It's all one with the current hagiographic white-washing of Churchill.

jimbob 3rd April 2021 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13443061)
Luckily the authors overstretched in a memorable way that will discredit them.

With their idea to look for the positives of the slave trade


Captain_Swoop 3rd April 2021 09:52 AM

The CEO of Operose - the UK wing of the American health giant Centene that is taking over GP practices across London - has been appointed as a health policy adviser to Boris Johnson.

And so it goes on and we are helpless.

zooterkin 3rd April 2021 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13443697)
QE2 is also descended from William the Bastard and his great-great-great grandfather Rollo, an even bigger bastard.

Yes, some of the really old English aristocracy regard the royals as neophytes.

Vixen 3rd April 2021 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13443652)
I wonder if this works both ways.

My father's side of the family came to "the Colonies" in 1640. Before that little is known of the man who settled here beyond his having been a tailor in London, but the surname suggests an origin somewhere on one side or another of the Scottish border. Probably a recent origin, considering the politics of the time and his desire to get the hell out of England.

On my mother's side, by coincidence the year was the same, but the circumstances were different, a middle class Puritan whose English lineage was traceable for at least a few centuries before he came here.

I might be more English than "Jean".

Weirdly, like QE2, as claimed by 'Jean' on LBC, I too, am a direct descendent of Alfred the Great, King of the Anglo-Saxons, (30th g-grandfather) however, nothing to do with England at all, it's through my Finnish descent. Perhaps Jean didn't spot the reference to 'Anglo (Angles) - Saxons'. His offspring soon married back into them.

In fact, the USA, early colonies was swarming with second sons, who went to the New World colony to establish estates there as they had nothing to inherit in the old country, so yes, I can well see you could be 'more English' than 'Jean'.

Vixen 3rd April 2021 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13443703)

That is hilarious. Black people benefitted from slavery by having an opportunity to share British culture. It reminds one of the rather offensive joke about the Germans sending the Jews a gas bill after the war.

zooterkin 3rd April 2021 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13443919)
Weirdly, like QE2, as claimed by 'Jean' on LBC, I too, am a direct descendent of Alfred the Great, King of the Anglo-Saxons, (30th g-grandfather)

Most, if not all, people in Europe probably are, too. Being able to trace the lineage is a different question, of course.

Captain_Swoop 4th April 2021 03:39 AM

Apparently, Boris attempted to expand British territory by purchasing areas of the Norwegian Svalbard archipelago in the Arctic sea.

It was part of Boris Johnson’s post Brexit assertive Britain plan to acquire additional fishing waters & strategic area power.

It was put forward in his time while foreign minister which suggests that perhaps Trumps later move for Greenland may have been part of a reaction to increased jockeying for land & power in the Arctic that Trump wanted to win.

Darat 4th April 2021 03:57 AM

I’d take that with a pinch of salt, that would mean he actually did something* as foreign minister and I think that sort of extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence!


*Beyond of course ensuring Ratcliffe wasn’t released by the Iranians.

catsmate 4th April 2021 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13444277)
I’d take that with a pinch of salt, that would mean he actually did something* as foreign minister and I think that sort of extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence!


*Beyond of course ensuring Ratcliffe wasn’t released by the Iranians.

Certainly is former deputy thinks, and though, him an narcissistic idiot. His new book (The Thick of It) describes him as an "embarrassing buffoon", in fact that'sone of the more charitable terms amongst "a clown", "a self-centred ego", "an embarrassing buffoon, with an untidy mind and sub-zero diplomatic judgment" and "an international stain on our reputation"
Quote:

[Johnson] doesn’t appreciate that diplomacy is not about having nice conversations with your friends; it’s about how you engage with those who are awkward.
and that Johnson needed publicity like a drug addict needs cocaine.

Captain_Swoop 4th April 2021 05:59 AM

Tom Hunt MP for Ipswich (Tory) tweeted

@tomhunt1988
The flying of the Union flag should be compulsory for all schools. If any pupils and teachers have concerns about this then surely they can be “educated” about what the flag actually represents. Flag of United Kingdom belongs to every single British person.

Captain_Swoop 4th April 2021 06:04 AM

Let's build Re-education and Training Camps where they can learn to “concentrate“ on their appreciation of the flag.
Some nice countries have blueprints we can copy.

Ulf Nereng 4th April 2021 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13444270)
Apparently, Boris attempted to expand British territory by purchasing areas of the Norwegian Svalbard archipelago in the Arctic sea.

It was part of Boris Johnson’s post Brexit assertive Britain plan to acquire additional fishing waters & strategic area power.

It was put forward in his time while foreign minister which suggests that perhaps Trumps later move for Greenland may have been part of a reaction to increased jockeying for land & power in the Arctic that Trump wanted to win.

Do you have a reference for this? It's the first time I've heard of it.

ohms 4th April 2021 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13444316)
Tom Hunt MP for Ipswich (Tory) tweeted

@tomhunt1988
The flying of the Union flag should be compulsory for all schools. If any pupils and teachers have concerns about this then surely they can be “educated” about what the flag actually represents. Flag of United Kingdom belongs to every single British person.

This tweet from the same MP:

https://twitter.com/tomhunt1988/stat...99147767173121

Quote:

I reject membership of an organisation that tries to force members to prominently fly EU flags outside state buildings

gypsyjackson 5th April 2021 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13444316)
Tom Hunt MP for Ipswich (Tory) tweeted

@tomhunt1988
The flying of the Union flag should be compulsory for all schools. If any pupils and teachers have concerns about this then surely they can be “educated” about what the flag actually represents. Flag of United Kingdom belongs to every single British person.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohms (Post 13444339)

Always nice to get a new bit of Cockney rhyming slang.

I see from Wikipedia he’s also a Covid downplayer, wants to address problems with “individuals from certain communities”, thinks the National Trust is Marxist, Historic England is Maoist, and refuses to meet representatives of NHS staff.

Rather neatly, the last couple of lines of the entry say: "It was unclear what Hunt meant by "educated" or why he had put it in scare quotes. Hunt does not display the Union Jack on his website, nor was it on his election address.”

Yes, I think he’s probably a proper Tom Hunt.

(He also seems to have been a contemporary of my brother at 6th form college)

JustinSanders213 5th April 2021 06:52 AM

General UK politics
 
May be, it seems interesting. Someone can tell if this is true?

Darat 5th April 2021 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinSanders213 (Post 13444968)
May be, it seems interesting. Someone can tell if this is true?

Probably needs gypsyjackson to check with their brother to confirm it.


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