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gypsyjackson 5th April 2021 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13444971)
Probably needs gypsyjackson to check with their brother to confirm it.

I’ll ask. If only because I’m intrigued by this new poster.

gypsyjackson 5th April 2021 04:50 PM

Sadly I can’t edit - bro doesn’t remember him, and gently pointed out that his class year had 1000 students, not 90 like mine, so even if they had done the same subjects they could have had different classes. Surie from Eurovision was another from the same time he didn’t remember. Perhaps my brother just has a bad memory.

Captain_Swoop 7th April 2021 02:41 AM

Corbynites are demanding Starmer’s resignation if Labour loses Hartlepool in the upcoming election.
I would take them a bit more seriously if they hadn’t claimed a man who lost Leigh, Rother Valley, Sedgefield, Bolsover, Bassetlaw, Blythe Valley, Darlington, Bishop Auckland, Workington, etc etc had “won the argument”.

Captain_Swoop 11th April 2021 08:33 AM

Sir John Major, educated Rutlish grammar in Wimbledon, saying when he left No 10 he got a lot of highly remunerative job offers he felt it would be inappropriate for a former PM to consider.

If only David Cameron, educated Eton, had such class.

catsmate 11th April 2021 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13451065)
Sir John Major, educated Rutlish grammar in Wimbledon, saying when he left No 10 he got a lot of highly remunerative job offers he felt it would be inappropriate for a former PM to consider.

If only David Cameron, educated Eton, had such class.

Yes, the Major years are looking now like a silver era at worst.

Wudang 11th April 2021 10:29 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-experts-claim


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Originally Posted by Guardian
Officials at Downing Street have been accused of rewriting much of its controversial report into racial and ethnic disparities, despite appointing an independent commission to conduct an honest investigation into inequality in the UK.


sphenisc 12th April 2021 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wudang (Post 13451123)

Aren't there rules against that kind of thing?

Darat 12th April 2021 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sphenisc (Post 13451698)
Aren't there rules against that kind of thing?

No. It was simply a report someone was commissioned to make. Many reports I’ve been paid for are then edited by the commissioner, I have to admit I’m not very happy when my name is left on heavily edited reports but hey they’ve bought it.

Not heard any of the authors decrying the editing so I would assume nothing egregious in their opinion happened in the editing.

The Don 12th April 2021 04:36 AM

"Call me Dave" is being investigated.

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The government is expected to announce an investigation into David Cameron's efforts to lobby ministers on behalf of finance firm Greensill Capital.

The former prime minister has been criticised for contacting ministers via text on behalf of the company, which collapsed in March.

The probe is likely to be independent, carried out on behalf of the Cabinet Office, the BBC understands.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56720141

Darat 12th April 2021 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13451702)
"Call me Dave" is being investigated.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56720141

Perhaps they’ll get Cameron’s fag to conduct it?

Darat 12th April 2021 11:23 AM

Interesting article about Slough grammar and how it infects and pollutes our political environment.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...hey-perfect-it

RolandRat 12th April 2021 12:48 PM

"The UK Government has referred two Bills passed unanimously by the Scottish Parliament to the Supreme Court over concerns it is outwith Holyrood’s powers.

The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill and the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill were passed in the weeks leading up to the parliamentary recess.
Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
Edited for rule 4


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sturgeon-a...165043612.html

dudalb 12th April 2021 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13452010)
Interesting article about Slough grammar and how it infects and pollutes our political environment.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...hey-perfect-it

"Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough
It isn't fit for humans now"

That little rhyme was written in 1937. .....Just something about Sloush, I guess.

dudalb 12th April 2021 02:43 PM

Now with the Welsh talking about Indepedence i think the UK might well be a thing of the past.

Captain_Swoop 13th April 2021 12:38 PM

Letter from Eric Pickles, chair of Advisory Committee on Business Appointments, reveals that Bill Crothers, the senior civil servant who became a director at Greensill, joined the company as an advisor while he was still a civil servant and the Cabinet Office approved it.

Captain_Swoop 13th April 2021 04:35 PM

Met Police Federation tweeted

@MPFed
Metropolitan Police Federation calls on government and force leaders to tackle social media firms that enable footage of officers dealing with incidents to be shared.
https://policeoracle.com/news/local_...ct_107056.html

The Don 14th April 2021 01:23 AM

Greensill must just be an isolated incident, because the UK government is rejecting a wider investigation into lobbying :rolleyes:

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The government has rejected Labour's call for a full parliamentary inquiry into lobbying and the contacts between government and Greensill Capital.

Boris Johnson has launched a review by a government lawyer into the finance firm's links to David Cameron and top civil servants in his administration.

Labour wants a broader inquiry into lobbying by a cross-party panel of MPs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56743426

Darat 14th April 2021 01:36 AM

Tories and sleaze and dodgy deals - how entirely unexpected….


What’s the point of the old boys network if it doesn’t let you feather your bed?

Captain_Swoop 14th April 2021 04:48 AM

Things the Tories have closed.
1,189 Sure Start Centres
100 NHS Walk In centres
600 Police Stations
675 Libraries
760 Youth Centres
470 Schools
50 Fire Stations
433 HMRC Tax Offices
100 Job Centres

Darat 14th April 2021 04:53 AM

Is that this week? :D

Garrison 14th April 2021 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13453534)
Greensill must just be an isolated incident, because the UK government is rejecting a wider investigation into lobbying :rolleyes:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56743426

Cameron probably has enough dirt on Johnson to make the outcome a foregone conclusion.

Captain_Swoop 14th April 2021 10:09 AM

They both wear the same old school tie' of course Johnson isn't going to push it.

Carrot Flower King 14th April 2021 10:50 AM

Odd how when politicians "need" second (not to mention third and fourth...) jobs in order to "keep in touch with the real world" (or whatever excuse they give) or ex-politicians "need a new career" it's never as a bin man or a healthcare assistant or behind a checkout at Tesco or as an Uber driver or working for Hermes or any of those other things they are all too happy for normal folk to do...

Strange how in all my years in the NHS the only time I saw any class of a politician was during a visit from some junior health minister, who at least had the good grace to look embarrassed about showing up on our ward: no-one ever applied for an HCA job to see how the NHS really worked on the shop floor.

Captain_Swoop 14th April 2021 01:56 PM

The man investigating the Greensill scandal works for the law firm that advised the Treasury on the Covid loan scheme Cameron lobbied for Greensill to have access to.

Captain_Swoop 14th April 2021 02:16 PM

The government has vetoed the reappointment of two women to Channel 4’s board of directors, including one of only two women of colour, in a sign ministers are continuing to assert their authority over senior media appointments.

The decision not to renew the boardroom positions of Uzma Hasan and Fru Hazlitt at the state-owned but privately funded broadcaster was made against the advice of both the Channel 4 board and the media regulator, Ofcom.

Both women were recommended for another three-year term on the broadcaster’s board, sources told the Guardian, with such reappointments usually waved through by the government. However, ministers have instead decided to seek new candidates, as part of a wider push that has led to the appointment of Conservative allies to leading media roles.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...hannel-4-board

Captain_Swoop 15th April 2021 01:35 AM

Telegraph are saying that it's been discovered that former Met Police chief Lord Hogan-Howe was a paid adviser to Greensill Capital while sitting on advisory board at the Cabinet Office.


A financial link between the Tories and the Met Police who keep on not investigating them?
Remember when all that evidence was given to the Met Police showing that the Leave Campaign had cheated?
Do you remember when they refused to investigate it because it was "too politically sensitive"?

Filippo Lippi 15th April 2021 02:21 AM

Jesus

Darat 15th April 2021 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13454133)
The man investigating the Greensill scandal works for the law firm that advised the Treasury on the Covid loan scheme Cameron lobbied for Greensill to have access to.

So he’s got the right experience, great!

Darat 15th April 2021 02:39 AM

Is anyone at all surprised? In a way you can’t blame the Tories - they are interleaved throughout the power structures of the UK regardless as to them being in power or not.

Whilst there has been some loosening of the tight grip the “old boys network” holds onto power in the UK it isn’t significant.

Captain_Swoop 15th April 2021 03:02 AM

Michael Gove, 2 weeks ago, “Transparency drives everything this government does”

In unrelated news, Rishi Sunak decided not to show up to answer questions on the Greensill lobbying scandal.

The Don 15th April 2021 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13454534)
Michael Gove, 2 weeks ago, “Transparency drives everything this government does”

In unrelated news, Rishi Sunak decided not to show up to answer questions on the Greensill lobbying scandal.

Maybe Michael Gove's words were misinterpreted. Transparency does indeed drive everything this government does, but not in the way you'd think. The government is aware that transparency makes it look bad and so it does everything it can to obfuscate. ;)

jimbob 15th April 2021 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13454565)
Maybe Michael Gove's words were misinterpreted. Transparency does indeed drive everything this government does, but not in the way you'd think. The government is aware that transparency makes it look bad and so it does everything it can to obfuscate. ;)

Hard to disagree - even though Gove being honest must have been an accident

P.J. Denyer 15th April 2021 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13454831)
Hard to disagree - even though Gove being honest must have been an accident

Perhaps the shock to his system explains why he's been laying so low since?

Darat 16th April 2021 01:38 AM

Wow - what a coincidence:

Matt Hancock Holds Shares In Sister's Firm Who Won NHS Contracts

The Don 16th April 2021 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13455324)

It's completely fine and above board. He's declared his shareholding in the directory of members' interests so he couldn't possibly have any conflict of interest. :rolleyes:

edited to add....

Interestingly, he was given the shares. That's perfectly normal and happens all the time, a company will give 15% of its shares to the sibling of a director and major shareholder and expect nothing in return.

Darat 16th April 2021 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13455326)
It's completely fine and above board. He's declared his shareholding in the directory of members' interests so he couldn't possibly have any conflict of interest. :rolleyes:

edited to add....

Interestingly, he was given the shares. That's perfectly normal and happens all the time, a company will give 15% of its shares to the sibling of a director and major shareholder and expect nothing in return.

I never did thank you for spontaneously sending me 15% of the shares in your company.

sphenisc 16th April 2021 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13455326)
It's completely fine and above board. He's declared his shareholding in the directory of members' interests so he couldn't possibly have any conflict of interest. :rolleyes:

edited to add....

Interestingly, he was given the shares. That's perfectly normal and happens all the time, a company will give 15% of its shares to the sibling of a director and major shareholder and expect nothing in return.

Obviously, that's why they're called 'shares'. If they sell them they'd be 'sells'.

Carrot Flower King 16th April 2021 02:57 AM

No, no, we don't have any sort of corruption here...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-civil-service

Anyone saying otherwise is severely mistaken, yes, indeedy.

Captain_Swoop 16th April 2021 03:00 AM

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 43% (+2)
LAB: 29% (-5)
GRN: 8% (+2)
LDEM: 8% (+2)
REFUK: 3% (-)

via @YouGov, 12 - 13 Apr
Chgs. w/ 08 Apr

Carrot Flower King 16th April 2021 03:01 AM

And talking of daft decisions...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-estate-again

Why the buggery bollocks are MPs (in this instance, but elected politicians generally) held to such different standards than yer average public sector employee? Either of the 2 ex-public sector bods in this house would have been sacked for drinking at work or being at work under the influence. But it is OK for MPs to have bars in their place of work and to be allowed to consume alcohol during work hours...Explains how some laws get through the House of Commons.


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