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newyorkguy 9th March 2021 07:12 AM

In Congress Greene is emerging as a tactician bent on interrupting and delaying routine business as a way of harassing her Democratic colleagues. Greene offers motions to require roll call votes on routine matters as a way of slowing things down. Greene denies this, saying Americans deserve to know exactly how their representative is voting. At the same time Greene regularly introduces motions to adjourn, a tactic that has yet to work but delays proceedings by forty five minutes because of the requirement it be put to a voice vote. This is what Greene tweeted a hour ago
Quote:

Incompetent House Democrats couldn’t even tell us this morning what time we have to vote today on their #AmericaLast policies. I bet all you working tax paying folks know what time you are showing up to work and getting the job done. Twitter link

CNN reports that while some Republicans defend Greene some Republican members of Congress find her behavior frustrating.
Quote:

However, the suspension bills before Congress on Monday had nothing to do with the topics Greene claims she was focused on. Instead, they addressed issues like child abuse treatment and prevention, literacy and credit management. Three of the bills were even sponsored by Greene's fellow Republicans. According to one aide to a senior Republican official, rank-and-file GOP members are starting to grow frustrated with Greene's fruitless delay tactics. "Her act is starting to wear thin," said the aide. CNN report

Skeptic Ginger 9th March 2021 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13420409)
In Congress Greene is emerging as a tactician bent on interrupting and delaying routine business as a way of harassing her Democratic colleagues. Greene offers motions to require roll call votes on routine matters as a way of slowing things down. Greene denies this, saying Americans deserve to know exactly how their representative is voting. At the same time Greene regularly introduces motions to adjourn, a tactic that has yet to work but delays proceedings by forty five minutes because of the requirement it be put to a voice vote. This is what Greene tweeted a hour ago

CNN reports that while some Republicans defend Greene some Republican members of Congress find her behavior frustrating.

Dunning-Kruger of Congressional function? :p

The Don 10th March 2021 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13420409)
CNN reports that while some Republicans defend Greene some Republican members of Congress find her behavior frustrating.

Maybe, but even if they do find her behaviour frustrating they won't do anything to attempt to change it because she, and her views, represent the modern day GOP. :(

newyorkguy 10th March 2021 04:25 AM

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Greene tweeted this last night-
Quote:

Marjorie Taylor Greene
Proud to fight for our #2A rights in Congress alongside
@Rep_Clyde & @RepTedBudd, two members of
Congress who sell firearms for a living.
They know that government gun controls are an
infringement on our God-given right to keep and bear arms. Tweet link
Now it's a God-given right? :rolleyes:

smartcooky 10th March 2021 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13421368)
Greene tweeted this last night-


Now it's a God-given right? :rolleyes:

Yup, the Founding Fathers are now Gods didn'tchaknow?

newyorkguy 10th March 2021 05:03 AM

Someone with the kind of mentality Marjorie Greene has, if you asked her-
  • How is the right to keep and bear arms 'God-given?'
Her answer would probably be-
  • Don't you believe in God?

And her supporters would cheer. :(

wareyin 10th March 2021 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13420409)
In Congress Greene is emerging as a tactician bent on interrupting and delaying routine business as a way of harassing her Democratic colleagues. Greene offers motions to require roll call votes on routine matters as a way of slowing things down. Greene denies this, saying Americans deserve to know exactly how their representative is voting. At the same time Greene regularly introduces motions to adjourn, a tactic that has yet to work but delays proceedings by forty five minutes because of the requirement it be put to a voice vote. This is what Greene tweeted a hour ago



CNN reports that while some Republicans defend Greene some Republican members of Congress find her behavior frustrating.

It's nice to hear that even some of her Republican co-workers are frustrated by her, but unnamed Republican Congresscritters were also always frustrated with Trump off the record but behind him 100% when their name was attached to it. I'd much rather hear which Republicans are frustrated, or far better yet hear what they are doing to rein her in.

slyjoe 10th March 2021 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13421383)
Someone with the kind of mentality Marjorie Greene has, if you asked her-
  • How is the right to keep and bear arms 'God-given?'
Her answer would probably be-
  • Don't you believe in God?

And her supporters would cheer. :(

And that's why these republicans love to "communicate" through Twitter. There is no one to ask the obvious questions that could point out the ridiculousness of her stance.

I would also ask her "And what exactly have you done to assure 2A rights?"

newyorkguy 10th March 2021 03:46 PM

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What has Marjorie Greene done to defend second amendment rights? She'd have an answer for that one. Below is a quote from her congressional website:
Quote:

Feb. 21, 2021 - Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene (GA-14) kept her campaign pledge to defend gun rights by introducing the Second Amendment Preservation Act (SAPA) to defund all federal gun control enforcement and end funding for regulation and guidance issued by the ATF. The Second Amendment Preservation Act (SAPA) will:
  • Cut all federal funding from implementing, enforcing, or advancing any measure, law, regulation, or guidance relating to the lawful use, purchase, sale, possession, or transportation of firearms by any citizen of the United States for Fiscal Year 2021.
  • Prohibit any federal funds from enforcing or implementing regulations or guidance issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms promulgated after November 1, 2020.
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene issued the following statement:
“Throughout my campaign for Congress, I promised the people of Northwest Georgia that I would be the strongest defender of gun rights on Capitol Hill. The Second Amendment Preservation Act (SAPA) prevents the federal government from using our taxpayer dollars to enforce gun control on law-abiding Americans. Our God-given right to protect our country, ourselves and our families shouldn't be up for debate. I’m proud to introduce this legislation, endorsed by the American Firearms Association, that will defund the enforcement of tyrannical gun control laws.” Link to Greene House dot gov

slyjoe 10th March 2021 04:25 PM

Introducing bills isn't the same as getting them passed.

gregthehammer 10th March 2021 04:26 PM

So, anarchy then?

newyorkguy 10th March 2021 05:28 PM

Marj was busy today. USA Today reports:
Quote:

Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene forced the House to delay debating and voting on President Joe Biden’s $1.9 trillion stimulus bill on Wednesday by using a delay tactic she's used many times. Before the chamber started proceedings, she made a motion to adjourn, a procedural move that makes every lawmaker come to the floor and vote for or against keeping Congress in session that day. Her attempt failed when 40 Republicans joined all Democrats in voting against her effort, which delayed the House's business for roughly one hour. The House ultimately debated, and passed, the stimulus bill, which Greene opposed. USA Today link
It has been reported that the number of Republicans voting against her motions to adjourn has increased each time she has introduced one. Today forty Republicans voted against an adjournment but many support her. Of the Republicans who voted against adjournment to day, Greene tweeted:
Quote:

"By voting against my motion to adjourn, some of my Republican colleagues are siding with the Democrats and enabling their policies that will destroy America," Greene said in a statement. "These Republican votes are the 40 white flags of the Surrender Caucus." Link to Newsweek story
How does one do business with a person like Marjorie Taylor Greene? Is she supposed to be on medication, by any chance? ;)

Skeptic Ginger 10th March 2021 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13422141)
Introducing bills isn't the same as getting them passed.

In Dunning-Krueger thinking it is. :p

Just like the ignorant belief that wasting the House's time with frivolous procedural moves is. Either that or she thinks she's getting even.

smartcooky 10th March 2021 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13422213)
In Dunning-Krueger thinking it is. :p

Just like the ignorant belief that wasting the House's time with frivolous procedural moves is. Either that or she thinks she's getting even.

I think most Republicans in the House regard her as something of a joke, and I think she is too stupid and self-obsessed to realise that.

I also believe she thinks that her antics will delay and ultimately prevent some legislation from being passed by running out the clock. What she is too dumb to realise is that Speaker Pelosi and House Majority leader Hoyer control the clock - they will simply extend the length of time that the House is in session to get the work done.

Finally, I believe she thinks she's "trolling the Libz", but again she is too stupid to realise that the Dems will be finding it highly entertaining watching her regularly making an utter fool of herself, while watching their Republican colleagues become more and more frustrated with her antics. And that's not even mentioning the fact that the proportion of old grey-haired men is far greater on the R side of the house than the D side. Old grey men tire more easily, and become grumpy more often (I should know)

Yep, there is little doubt in my mind that the good people of Georgia's 14th congressional district have given the Dems the greatest gift they could give by electing her as their representative - a loose cannon in the midst of the House Republicans - she really is the gift that keeps giving.

Stacyhs 11th March 2021 12:40 AM

MTG is indicative of just how far the GOP has fallen not only in terms of her actually being elected and proving the 'quality' of the Trump base, but in confirming just how firm a grip Trump still has on the shriveled up cajones of the GOP Congress.

Norman Alexander 11th March 2021 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13422403)
I think most Republicans in the House regard her as something of a joke, and I think she is too stupid and self-obsessed to realise that.

I also believe she thinks that her antics will delay and ultimately prevent some legislation from being passed by running out the clock. What she is too dumb to realise is that Speaker Pelosi and House Majority leader Hoyer control the clock - they will simply extend the length of time that the House is in session to get the work done.

Finally, I believe she thinks she's "trolling the Libz", but again she is too stupid to realise that the Dems will be finding it highly entertaining watching her regularly making an utter fool of herself, while watching their Republican colleagues become more and more frustrated with her antics. And that's not even mentioning the fact that the proportion of old grey-haired men is far greater on the R side of the house than the D side. Old grey men tire more easily, and become grumpy more often (I should know)

Yep, there is little doubt in my mind that the good people of Georgia's 14th congressional district have given the Dems the greatest gift they could give by electing her as their representative - a loose cannon in the midst of the House Republicans - she really is the gift that keeps giving.

I was telling someone today that the Dems will have worked out MTG's hot-buttons already. And they will simply push them whenever they want the Republicans to look stupid in public, which is most of the time. The Dems can afford a little time-wasting on this. Because her stupidities publicly paint the whole GOP with the same brush of mean-spirited, uneducated, incompetent vigilantism that she purveys. She also distracts attention from any Dem shortcomings and issues. I suspect this is why her fellow GOPers voted against her - to prevent her making a fool of them.

The Don 11th March 2021 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13422513)
I was telling someone today that the Dems will have worked out MTG's hot-buttons already. And they will simply push them whenever they want the Republicans to look stupid in public, which is most of the time. The Dems can afford a little time-wasting on this. Because her stupidities publicly paint the whole GOP with the same brush of mean-spirited, uneducated, incompetent vigilantism that she purveys. She also distracts attention from any Dem shortcomings and issues. I suspect this is why her fellow GOPers voted against her - to prevent her making a fool of them.

You assume that would be a bad thing from an electoral point of view.

I think that GOP tactics and policies for the last couple of decades has shown that they're perfectly happy to be mean-spirited, come across as uneducated and positively thrive on vigilantism. :(

Norman Alexander 11th March 2021 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13422538)
You assume that would be a bad thing from an electoral point of view.

I think that GOP tactics and policies for the last couple of decades has shown that they're perfectly happy to be mean-spirited, come across as uneducated and positively thrive on vigilantism. :(

Only in NE Georgia, where she crawled out from. The majority of the GOP are your actual elites, and know how to play the system...provided some dumb hick isn't stepping in dog-turds and trampling them on the carpet while wearing their colours.

Captain_Swoop 11th March 2021 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13420409)
In Congress Greene is emerging as a tactician bent on interrupting and delaying routine business as a way of harassing her Democratic colleagues. Greene offers motions to require roll call votes on routine matters as a way of slowing things down. Greene denies this, saying Americans deserve to know exactly how their representative is voting. At the same time Greene regularly introduces motions to adjourn, a tactic that has yet to work but delays proceedings by forty five minutes because of the requirement it be put to a voice vote. This is what Greene tweeted a hour ago



CNN reports that while some Republicans defend Greene some Republican members of Congress find her behavior frustrating.

Isn't disrupting the Dems the main reason she got elected?

I am surprised more of it isn't happening from other Repubs.

The Don 11th March 2021 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13422549)
Only in NE Georgia, where she crawled out from. The majority of the GOP are your actual elites, and know how to play the system...provided some dumb hick isn't stepping in dog-turds and trampling them on the carpet while wearing their colours.

I don't think so. Perhaps the GOP leadership (nationally and locally) are the actual elites but the people who actually vote GOP in large parts of the US are less well educated, poorer whites who want to return to the glory days of the 50's (not sure whether 1850's or 1950's) before the Yankees ruined it for everyone.


edited to add.....

I guess the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. If she becomes a celebrity within the party like Sarah Palin then IMO it's clear that the GOP leadership think she's a vote winner. If they bury her then the opposite is the case.

Norman Alexander 11th March 2021 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13422558)
I don't think so. Perhaps the GOP leadership (nationally and locally) are the actual elites but the people who actually vote GOP in large parts of the US are less well educated, poorer whites who want to return to the glory days of the 50's (not sure whether 1850's or 1950's) before the Yankees ruined it for everyone.


edited to add.....

I guess the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. If she becomes a celebrity within the party like Sarah Palin then IMO it's clear that the GOP leadership think she's a vote winner. If they bury her then the opposite is the case.

They are starting to bury her already.

The Don 11th March 2021 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13422561)
They are starting to bury her already.

Are they though, really ?

They applauded her in the House and criticism is off the record from unnamed House Republicans. They seem to be burying her in the same way they've buried President Trump.

In 2022 the GOP will be reliant on the white supremacists, QAnon adherents and assorted others if they plan to retake the Senate and House. Marjorie Taylor Greene and her ilk will be key to courting those groups.

smartcooky 11th March 2021 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13422564)
Are they though, really ?

They applauded her in the House and criticism is off the record from unnamed House Republicans. They seem to be burying her in the same way they've buried President Trump.

In 2022 the GOP will be reliant on the white supremacists, QAnon adherents and assorted others if they plan to retake the Senate and House. Marjorie Taylor Greene and her ilk will be key to courting those groups.

Those groups are already courted - preaching to the converted is not a winning strategy.

pgwenthold 11th March 2021 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13422858)
Those groups are already courted - preaching to the converted is not a winning strategy.

Not necessarily. You have to get them to vote. If the candidate is not racist enough, they may stay home.

JoeMorgue 11th March 2021 11:44 AM

The GOP understands the value in having a court jester, someone who's already got something stupid to say to distract us all from any actual issue.

jimbob 11th March 2021 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13422908)
The GOP understands the value in having a court jester, someone who's already got something stupid to say to distract us all from any actual issue.

Yup and she's also useful in trying to move the Overton Window

The Great Zaganza 11th March 2021 11:59 AM

I think MTG knows she is under FBI investigation for her role in Jan 6.
She is making the most of it while she still can.

Babbylonian 11th March 2021 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 13422858)
Those groups are already courted - preaching to the converted is not a winning strategy.

It is if you combine it with voter suppression measures.

dudalb 11th March 2021 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13422928)
It is if you combine it with voter suppression measures.

In which case we are headed for Civil War 2.

Norman Alexander 11th March 2021 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13422558)
I don't think so. Perhaps the GOP leadership (nationally and locally) are the actual elites but the people who actually vote GOP in large parts of the US are less well educated, poorer whites who want to return to the glory days of the 50's (not sure whether 1850's or 1950's) before the Yankees ruined it for everyone.


edited to add.....

I guess the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. If she becomes a celebrity within the party like Sarah Palin then IMO it's clear that the GOP leadership think she's a vote winner. If they bury her then the opposite is the case.

My correction. I was referring only to the GOP in Congress as being elites. As for the others, you are, of course, correct.

Norman Alexander 11th March 2021 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13422908)
The GOP understands the value in having a court jester, someone who's already got something stupid to say to distract us all from any actual issue.

Given she is a GOP "public face", perhaps not so much. The Dems should really appreciate the damage she can do to the GOP if she is triggered. Friendly fire is still deadly.

smartcooky 11th March 2021 01:40 PM

This just popped up on my Reddit feed... I felt a need to share

https://www.dropbox.com/s/70830ugwcv...ine.jpeg?raw=1

dudalb 11th March 2021 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13423024)
Given she is a GOP "public face", perhaps not so much. The Dems should really appreciate the damage she can do to the GOP if she is triggered. Friendly fire is still deadly.

I think the Dems do.
And, yeah,the problem with the MJG is a distraction theory is that she is a distrac tion that is doing damage to the GOP.

smartcooky 11th March 2021 04:31 PM

To justify what she is doing in attempting to disrupt the House procedures, she tweeted the following...

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Marjorie Taylor Greene
🇺🇸
@mtgreenee
·
9h
I ran for office (and was elected with 74.7% of the vote) to represent the people, not the politicians.

And that's exactly what I'm doing.


...and was immediately fact checked and owned by the Twitter community....

https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

- "You ran unopposed"

- "Imagine running unopposed and getting less than 3/4 of the vote"

- "Your opponent dropped out but yet still got 25%. I heard he was threatened - But Her Emails!!!!"

- "Let's clarify that she got 74.7% of the vote, while she ran unopposed"

- "What an accomplishment! Not everyone can win an uncontested race where their opponent drops out and still receives 25% of the vote."

- "No one ran against you and I'm pretty sure when they start questioning you all about 1/6/2021, no one will want anything to do with you."

- "A) you ran unopposed - B) you ran as a republican in an extremely red district

- "Imagine thinking that getting 75 percent of the vote in that case is a good thing."

- "You moved from #GA6 to #GA14 because you knew that Lucy McBath was going to beat you in district you lived in"

- "You moved into a new district because you couldn't win in yours "
OMG, facts can be such a pain in the ass when you are trying to deceive people by lying through your teeth!

grunion 11th March 2021 05:39 PM

Looks like the Guamian delegation fortunaely has a sense of humor.

Quote:

Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, will be receiving cookies from Guam's delegate to Congress after the freshmen congresswoman inaccurately suggested that the island territory is a foreign land, when it's actually been part of the U.S. for more than a century.

Greene made the remark during a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) last month, but a video of the remarks were uploaded on Tuesday drawing new attention to her inaccurate statement.

"I wanted to take my regular, normal person, normal, everyday American values, which is: We love our country. We believe our hard-earned tax dollars should just go for America—not for what, China, Russia, the Middle East, Guam—whatever, wherever," the GOP lawmaker said.

...

"Congresswoman Greene is a new member, and we will be paying a visit to her and delivering delicious Chamorro Chip Cookies as part of our ongoing outreach to new members to introduce them to our wonderful island of Guam," Michael San Nicolas, Guam's congressional delegate, told the Daily Post.

JoeMorgue 12th March 2021 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13423024)
Given she is a GOP "public face", perhaps not so much. The Dems should really appreciate the damage she can do to the GOP if she is triggered. Friendly fire is still deadly.

Yeah let's give the GOP more rope to hang themselves because that's worked so well all the other times we tried and never once backfired.

kookbreaker 12th March 2021 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13423574)
Yeah let's give the GOP more rope to hang themselves because that's worked so well all the other times we tried and never once backfired.

This. It sounds a lot like the “ Oh yes please let Trump run for President. He’ll devastate the GOP!!” You heard in 2015/16.

Craig4 12th March 2021 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13422099)
What has Marjorie Greene done to defend second amendment rights? She'd have an answer for that one. Below is a quote from her congressional website:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say her bookcases are probably not straining under the weight of tomes on political theory.

SuburbanTurkey 12th March 2021 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13423574)
Yeah let's give the GOP more rope to hang themselves because that's worked so well all the other times we tried and never once backfired.

Indeed.

This culture war clowning that MTG is doing might make libs mock her, but it is absolutely effective messaging for the reactionary base. The party is going to keep pushing harder on the message of grievance politics. It's all they really have left, and it's a proven winner for them.

Sparring with the libs over tedious culture wars issues is good politics for the right wing. It works very well to boost their voting base.

Pacal 12th March 2021 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13423637)
Indeed.

This culture war clowning that MTG is doing might make libs mock her, but it is absolutely effective messaging for the reactionary base. The party is going to keep pushing harder on the message of grievance politics. It's all they really have left, and it's a proven winner for them.

Sparring with the libs over tedious culture wars issues is good politics for the right wing. It works very well to boost their voting base.

You are absolutely right. It has been c. 30 years since the latest of these Culture Wars have started. C. 1990 we began the latest - the so called war over PC and very swiftly attacking PC became very, very PC especially among so-called Conservatives. And this particular incarnation of culture wars has not stopped since.

The whining and belly aching from the anti-PC PCers has never stopped. Their love of portraying themselves has victims, their writhing in convulsions of hysteria over the latest PC outrage has not stopped. Their embrace of victimhood, along with them being triggered and such utter snowflakes has if anything accelerated.

Thus we get the recently the writhing in existential agony of these so-called conservatives over the "cancelation" by "woke" and "cancel culture" of certain books by the company that owns the rights to publish Dr. Seuss' books. Oh the censorship! Oh the totalitarian suppression!! Oh the crushing of free speech!!! Oh the outrage!!!! We hear the writhing in utter horror of Kevin McCarthy about this intolerable outrage! And of course now Kevin McCarthy is a-ok with Trump!

And of course all of this is, apparently, a much more serious threat to freedom and democracy than the events of January 6th 2021. And of course bowing once again to the most holy and divine Trump is a-ok!! Why? Because we all "know" PC, cancel culture, woke is a vastly greater threat to democracy and freedom than Trump's campaign of lies since the November election, or his pressure on officials to find the "real" votes, or the January 6th insurrection, or the fact that because of this propaganda of lies many tens of millions of Americans now believe the election of November 2020 is fraudulent. Allied with this is the fact that much of the leadership of the Republican party is now, at least, going along with this utterly false idea and thus encouraging this false belief. And we should not forget the renewed campaign to suppress votes because the last election got the "wrong" results!

But nope we shouldn't think about the above, we should instead writhe in horror at the dangerous excesses etc., of PC, woke and cancel culture which are the "real" threats. (Along with someone deciding not to translate a book of poetry.) Obviously (snark) people should know what the "real" threat is.

The culture wars, cancel culture, PC and woke are being used to distract attention from one of the most sustained attacks on American Democracy ever.


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