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newyorkguy 18th April 2021 10:23 AM

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Marjorie Taylor Greene's antics are working. Not for Congress, the American people or even the people in her Congressional District, but for her personally. As even GOP strategists have conceded (former Speaker of the House John Boehner talked about this during a Colbert interview I watched), many of the newly elected 'extreme' Republicans like Greene are about building their own personal 'brand,' something they'll be able to cash in on for a long time. That's the part that's working for Greene. I like to look at Georgia news sites to get local reactions to Greene. Below I'm quoting an article that appeared in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper on Friday.
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Two days after U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene filed articles of impeachment against newly inaugurated President Joe Biden, Nashville, Tennessee, real estate developer Bill Acree donated $100 to her reelection campaign...He is among hundreds of conservatives across the nation who poured $3.2 million into Greene’s campaign account during the first three months of 2021, making the freshman lawmaker one of the U.S. House’s most prolific fundraisers. Many of them follow her on social media sites such as Twitter or Facebook or watch her on conservative cable TV channels defending former President Donald Trump and saying the general election had been stolen from him...In the House, Greene’s fundraising during that period lagged only Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who collected $4 million. Greene essentially tied with U.S. Rep. Steve Scalise, the Republican whip and a 13-year veteran of the chamber. Journal-Constitution link

Belz... 18th April 2021 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13457168)
Marjorie Taylor Greene's antics are working. Not for Congress, the American people or even the people in her Congressional District, but for her personally. As even GOP strategists have conceded (former Speaker of the House John Boehner talked about this during a Colbert interview I watched), many of the newly elected 'extreme' Republicans like Greene are about building their own personal 'brand,' something they'll be able to cash in on for a long time. That's the part that's working for Greene.

Does that mean that they don't believe what they are saying?

Because if that's the case, I'd prefer building a brand that doesn't label me as an asshat or an idiot.

(Yes, I know, on both these accounts I have failed, but at least it wasn't intentional).

TheGoldcountry 18th April 2021 10:41 AM

Well, nothing in the bill DOES prevent the funding of aborted fetal tissue by taxpayers.

CHECKMATE, you miserable commie bastards!

newyorkguy 18th April 2021 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Belz... (Post 13457173)
Does that mean that they don't believe what they are saying?...

It gets complicated. It's part of what someone posting here called the right-wing 'grievance culture.' Based on some of the local right-wingers I've known, it really doesn't matter to them whether they really believe what they say. Example: someone who is a passionate supporter of trump's, voted for trump and who despises Joe Biden. What better way to get back at Biden and all the Biden-voting libtards out there, then to refuse to accept trump lost. Instead insist trump won but the election result was based on pervasive fraud. I think they rationalize it as a tactic.

Norman Alexander 18th April 2021 01:40 PM

Donating money to MTG could be for the same reason people marry convicted mass murderers in jail - an attraction to notoriety rather than agreement with a philosophy. Same as T****.

dudalb 18th April 2021 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13457168)
Marjorie Taylor Greene's antics are working. Not for Congress, the American people or even the people in her Congressional District, but for her personally. As even GOP strategists have conceded (former Speaker of the House John Boehner talked about this during a Colbert interview I watched), many of the newly elected 'extreme' Republicans like Greene are about building their own personal 'brand,' something they'll be able to cash in on for a long time. That's the part that's working for Greene. I like to look at Georgia news sites to get local reactions to Greene. Below I'm quoting an article that appeared in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper on Friday.

I usspect that a lot of money MTG raises end sup in some numbered back account to Zurich ore the Bahamas....

bruto 18th April 2021 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13457394)
I usspect that a lot of money MTG raises end sup in some numbered back account to Zurich ore the Bahamas....

Do you think she's that smart of subtle? I figure she'll just spend it around. Gold toilet, new truck, boob job, that sort of thing.

Norman Alexander 18th April 2021 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13457417)
Do you think she's that smart of subtle? I figure she'll just spend it around. Gold toilet, new truck, boob job, that sort of thing.

She's already a big enough boob without needing that.

Da-boom tish!



I'll get my coat...

slyjoe 18th April 2021 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry (Post 13457183)
Well, nothing in the bill DOES prevent the funding of aborted fetal tissue by taxpayers.

CHECKMATE, you miserable commie bastards!

She shouldn't complain - nothing in the bill limits AR-15s either.

Stacyhs 18th April 2021 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13457308)
Donating money to MTG could be for the same reason people marry convicted mass murderers in jail - an attraction to notoriety rather than agreement with a philosophy. Same as T****.

Have you considered they're just stupid?

Norman Alexander 18th April 2021 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13457476)
Have you considered AND they're just stupid?

Yep. :thumbsup:

quadraginta 19th April 2021 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13457082)
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker (Post 13457074)
Boebert and Greene were sole votes against the reauthorization of the National Marrow Donor program. The vote was passed 415-2...

This is a program -- a database, actually -- that inventories bone marrow donors so people with leukemia or other deadly blood disease can be matched with a suitable donor. Here's Greene's explanation as to why she voted against it.
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Greene, who often makes outlandish claims to seek headlines, claimed that "Nothing in this bill prevents the funding of aborted fetal tissue by taxpayers." CNN report link
So it worked, at least the highlighted part, which is presumably all Greene cares about anyway.


If that's her yardstick for voting against a bill then there won't be very many she can vote for.

The Don 19th April 2021 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13457607)
If that's her yardstick for voting against a bill then there won't be very many she can vote for.

Does she have any need to vote for anything ?

Voting against any bill will reinforce her notoriety, and thus enhance her fundraising capability. The reason for voting against all bills will simply increase her electability.

Sounds like she's doing her "job" (advancing her career) pretty well. :(

quadraginta 19th April 2021 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13457615)
Does she have any need to vote for anything ?

Voting against any bill will reinforce her notoriety, and thus enhance her fundraising capability. The reason for voting against all bills will simply increase her electability.

Sounds like she's doing her "job" (advancing her career) pretty well. :(


No, not really.

But any time she might want to, she's gonna have to explain why it needs a "prevents the funding of aborted fetal tissue by taxpayers" rider attached to it before she does.

smartcooky 19th April 2021 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13457476)
Have you considered they're just stupid?

Yep, they are as dumb as a pair of breeze-blocks.

jimbob 19th April 2021 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13457625)
No, not really.

But any time she might want to, she's gonna have to explain why it needs a "prevents the funding of aborted fetal tissue by taxpayers" rider attached to it before she does.


Why?

Will she suddenly develop an aversion to hypocrisy? Will her voters care?

Horatius 19th April 2021 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13457710)
Why?

Will she suddenly develop an aversion to hypocrisy? Will her voters care?



Someone needs to keep a list of the things she's voted against, and then advertise the hell out of it with the most Puppies&Kittens, Widows&Orphans spin they possibly can.

For this one: Empty Green voted to let children die of cancer!

There's no trick so dirty it isn't justified to get her out of office.

The Don 19th April 2021 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13457713)
Someone needs to keep a list of the things she's voted against, and then advertise the hell out of it with the most Puppies&Kittens, Widows&Orphans spin they possibly can.

For this one: Empty Green voted to let children die of cancer!

There's no trick so dirty it isn't justified to get her out of office.

You assume that such a revelation would damage her chances in the polls. :(

Belz... 19th April 2021 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13457713)
There's no trick so dirty it isn't justified to get her out of office.

So you're saying that she's the political version of Godzilla?

Horatius 19th April 2021 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13457731)
You assume that such a revelation would damage her chances in the polls. :(


If we get enough examples of them, and spin them in just the right sound-bite sized packages, they might get through to her voters, yes. These people won't understand complex analysis of real-world problems, but even they might get, "Why did she vote in favor of CANCER?!?"



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Originally Posted by Belz... (Post 13457732)
So you're saying that she's the political version of Godzilla?



Without the charm, yes.

Belz... 19th April 2021 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13457753)
Without the charm, yes.

Also, fortunately, without the atomic breath.

The Don 19th April 2021 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13457753)
If we get enough examples of them, and spin them in just the right sound-bite sized packages, they might get through to her voters, yes. These people won't understand complex analysis of real-world problems, but even they might get, "Why did she vote in favor of CANCER?!?"

....because nothing in that bill prevented the funding of aborted fetal tissue by taxpayers - my opponent is in favour of using aborted foetal tissue.

Horatius 19th April 2021 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13457799)
....because nothing in that bill prevented the funding of aborted fetal tissue by taxpayers - my opponent is in favour of using aborted foetal tissue.



...and that's why we need as many examples of this as possible, to drown out the stupid response. The only way to drown out stupidity is with louder stupidity.

kookbreaker 19th April 2021 08:13 AM

Greene plans to introduce legislation to kick out Maxine Waters.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5...-maxine-waters

catsmate 19th April 2021 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kookbreaker (Post 13457074)
Boebert and Greene were sole votes against the reauthorization of the National Marrow Donor program. The vote was passed 415-2.

FFS these are utter scum.

sackett 19th April 2021 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13457878)
FFS these are utter scum.

Yes, they are. And I for one am tranquilly confident that they'll soon overreach themselves and be expelled from Congress, and then possibly convicted of various forms of criminality; involving money for sure and possibly sedition.

They can only fly off into wider and wilder extremes of behavior. Their chosen politics depends on outrageousness, and they can't possibly subside into rationality or even silence. That would, for them, be defeat.

So, in the words of Osama bin Loathsome, be patient. Another atrocity is always on the way.

turingtest 19th April 2021 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kookbreaker (Post 13457862)
Greene plans to introduce legislation to kick out Maxine Waters.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5...-maxine-waters

And Kevin McCarthy is on the same page as her (The Hill via MSN):

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"Maxine Waters is inciting violence in Minneapolis - just as she has incited it in the past," McCarthy said in a tweet late Sunday evening. "If Speaker Pelosi doesn't act against this dangerous rhetoric, I will bring action this week."
I can see how Waters's comments could, in a perfect vacuum, be seen by some people as at least problematical (I personally don't see anything wrong in telling people who feel their lives are potentially at stake that they should be "more confrontational" about that). But, ffs- do these guys not remember how, just a few short months ago, they refused to hold accountable a President who followed a body of work of outright lies about "stolen election!" with a speech in front of a crowd of people he'd summoned on the basis of those lies and exhorted them to march on the Capitol and fight! (because they were outvoted)- which that crowd promptly did, violently? For McCarthy and Greene, and others invested in the lies, that was no incitement, and besides, free speech! Now they want to expel a member of Congress for doing or saying no more than what they would not expel a President for.

bruto 19th April 2021 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13457731)
You assume that such a revelation would damage her chances in the polls. :(

I'm not entirely convinced your example is all that dirty anyway. She did vote to let children die of cancer, in order to support her own outlandish views on fetal tissue. I don't think it's dirty at all to point out that she does indeed put her nutty religious biases above the rights, welfare, and even the lives, of real people.

Horatius 19th April 2021 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by turingtest (Post 13457965)
But, ffs- do these guys not remember how, just a few short months ago, they refused to hold accountable a President who followed a body of work of outright lies about "stolen election!" with a speech in front of a crowd of people he'd summoned on the basis of those lies and exhorted them to march on the Capitol and fight! (because they were outvoted)- which that crowd promptly did, violently? For McCarthy and Greene, and others invested in the lies, that was no incitement, and besides, free speech! Now they want to expel a member of Congress for doing or saying no more than what they would not expel a President for.


Oh, they remember. The hypocrisy is the point.


Remember the rule is always: I am a Freedom Fighter, you are an irregular militia, they are terrorists.

Babbylonian 19th April 2021 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13457753)
If we get enough examples of them, and spin them in just the right sound-bite sized packages, they might get through to her voters, yes. These people won't understand complex analysis of real-world problems, but even they might get, "Why did she vote in favor of CANCER?!?"

You're operating under the assumption that it would be useful to get her out of office. It would be all but impossible to get her district to go Democrat, so the alternative would be a Republican who is less crazy and who would actually be allowed to participate in Congress beyond having the same vote on the floor as every other member. In other words, the only "we" who should want her gone are Republicans. Everyone else should be pleased that she makes the Republican party look like the garbage they are.

dudalb 19th April 2021 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kookbreaker (Post 13457862)
Greene plans to introduce legislation to kick out Maxine Waters.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5...-maxine-waters

Frankly, I think the congress would be better off withour both MTG and Walters, whose uging protestors to be "More confrantational if Chauvian walks" statemen is incredibly irresponsible, but MTG is the last person to call out Walters.

dudalb 19th April 2021 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by turingtest (Post 13457965)
And Kevin McCarthy is on the same page as her (The Hill via MSN):



I can see how Waters's comments could, in a perfect vacuum, be seen by some people as at least problematical (I personally don't see anything wrong in telling people who feel their lives are potentially at stake that they should be "more confrontational" about that). But, ffs- do these guys not remember how, just a few short months ago, they refused to hold accountable a President who followed a body of work of outright lies about "stolen election!" with a speech in front of a crowd of people he'd summoned on the basis of those lies and exhorted them to march on the Capitol and fight! (because they were outvoted)- which that crowd promptly did, violently? For McCarthy and Greene, and others invested in the lies, that was no incitement, and besides, free speech! Now they want to expel a member of Congress for doing or saying no more than what they would not expel a President for.

I disagree about Walters. Her statement was incredibly irresponsible, and is going to be intereperted as a call to violence.
But that the GOP Is just as guilty is a good point.

ponderingturtle 19th April 2021 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13458084)
Frankly, I think the congress would be better off withour both MTG and Walters, whose uging protestors to be "More confrantational if Chauvian walks" statemen is incredibly irresponsible, but MTG is the last person to call out Walters.

Ah yes the proper response is to just give up and accept that police can murder with out consequence. Once they accept that it will be so much better.

dudalb 19th April 2021 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 13458093)
Ah yes the proper response is to just give up and accept that police can murder with out consequence. Once they accept that it will be so much better.

Yeah and rioting will realy convince the American people of the rightness of your cause.
It plays right in the hands of the Right.

ponderingturtle 19th April 2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13458099)
Yeah and rioting will realy convince the American people of the rightness of your cause.
It plays right in the hands of the Right.

Like everything else, peaceful protest get caught up in the police rioting against being held accountable and shown to be the bad guy justifying the police killing people. Giving up and accepting the total immunity from responsibility of the police is the only way. They simply can not be held accountable and realizing that and giving up on trying is the only course of action.

Horatius 19th April 2021 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13458053)
You're operating under the assumption that it would be useful to get her out of office. It would be all but impossible to get her district to go Democrat, so the alternative would be a Republican who is less crazy and who would actually be allowed to participate in Congress beyond having the same vote on the floor as every other member. In other words, the only "we" who should want her gone are Republicans. Everyone else should be pleased that she makes the Republican party look like the garbage they are.



And I think that kind of nihilistic thinking is crap. Like it or not, you're stuck with the Republican Party, the parties are far too embedded in the US system to change that with anything short of a war at this point. Giving up and letting half the government be controlled by utter whackjobs is an incredibly bad idea. Anything that moves the GOP back towards sanity, even a little bit, is a good thing.

dudalb 19th April 2021 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13458105)
And I think that kind of nihilistic thinking is crap. Like it or not, you're stuck with the Republican Party, the parties are far too embedded in the US system to change that with anything short of a war at this point. Giving up and letting half the government be controlled by utter whackjobs is an incredibly bad idea. Anything that moves the GOP back towards sanity, even a little bit, is a good thing.

I disagree, I think the collapse of the GOP is a realistic possiblity. It has happened before with the collapse of the Whigs in the 1850's. Which led to the founding of the Republican party, I think the two party system is imbedded, but that done mean one of the two major parties cannot be replaced.

dudalb 19th April 2021 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 13458103)
Like everything else, peaceful protest get caught up in the police rioting against being held accountable and shown to be the bad guy justifying the police killing people. Giving up and accepting the total immunity from responsibility of the police is the only way. They simply can not be held accountable and realizing that and giving up on trying is the only course of action.

You just don't get it. The point of protests is to convince people who are undecided that you are in the right. I submit burning down buisnesses is not the way to do this.
This is the problem with the militant left:they seem more intents on having fun playing being revolutionaris then in actualy convincing middle of the roaders they are right.

SuburbanTurkey 19th April 2021 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13458132)
You just don't get it. The point of protests is to convince people who are undecided that you are in the right. I submit burning down buisnesses is not the way to do this.
This is the problem with the militant left:they seem more intents on having fun playing being revolutionaris then in actualy convincing middle of the roaders they are right.

Seems to me scenes of military occupation and cops brutalizing CNN reporters on the streets of America does a lot to persuade undecided people about the nature of the police, but perhaps I'm out of touch.

ponderingturtle 19th April 2021 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13458132)
You just don't get it. The point of protests is to convince people who are undecided that you are in the right. I submit burning down buisnesses is not the way to do this.
This is the problem with the militant left:they seem more intents on having fun playing being revolutionaris then in actualy convincing middle of the roaders they are right.

But they are far to confrontational, you are all about avoiding all confrontation as seen by your calls against Waters call for being confrontational.

The answer is clear do nothing and give up, as any actual action would be far to confrontational and just give the police an excuse to riot. The only way to convince people is to not try to. Actually trying to convince them is far to confrontational and likely to cause the police to riot.


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