Vaccine/autism CT discussion
The proof of the pudding that there are conspiracies at high levels of society is media's insistence that there are NONE. Let's see. Big pharma and the mainstream media insist vaccines are absolutely safe but close to NONE of the vaccines are tested with a control group. They have convinced much of the American public that questioning the safety of vaccines is criminal. Yet commercial after commercial airs up front and personal that if you've taken DRUG X, Y, or Z contact my law firm. Now you know those drugs, I think ZOLOFT is the star of the newer ripe for litigation drugs, were supposed to be tested with a control group! What happened. And the media pretty much crucifies anyone who dares suggest a link between autism and vaccines. Why would the media trust and speak out for an industry/community with such a poor drug testing track record? |
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I also like the fact that apparently Quote:
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And then the really gullible waste other people's time on the internet by posting petulant nonsense. |
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Prevention of Meningococcal Disease by Group C Polysaccharide Vaccine Quote:
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Infancy with a Group A plus Group C Meningococcal Polys a c cha r ide -Prot e in Conjugate Vaccine Quote:
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FYI http://www.huliq.com/8738/15m-plus-a...autism-lawsuit $1.5m-plus award in vaccine-autism lawsuit http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/03/c...wsuit-why.html Chicago Tribune Trumpets Another Anti-Treatment Autism Lawsuit. Why? Quote:
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Can you please link to the court documents of the case? |
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Safety is (mostly) tested in the Phase I - III trials. Efficacy is tested against the current standard vaccine(s). Simplisticly, the combination of these determines the risk\benefit ratio and whether the new vaccine is a suitable replacement Everything is then checked with epidemiology when it's in use (handy for those 1 in 100,00 side effects) |
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vaccines are tested with a control group. http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...ed-for-safety/ Quote:
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**All studies listed excluded children who weren’t healthy–roughly 60% of the general population of infants and children would not be accepted into a vaccine study. You ignored the above. It means the above unhealthy children will likely be required to get vaccinated with no "unhealthy" children involved in the study. 60 freaking percent. That is criminal. |
Ohhhhhh...you mean placebo control groups. So you mean that even though there are probably hundreds of studies that compare vaccinated and unvaccinated groups under similar conditions, that's not a control group? Why do you think that?
You should understand that no one here believes things just because they were posted on an anti-vaccine website. Nor do most here feel the need to check these so-called facts. It is widely believed that such websites misquote people, use facts incorrectly or even make things up and pretend they are true. In short, I don't care what the Inside Vaccine website has to say because I believe neither you nor the people who made that website understand anything about clinical trials or medical research. You would have more credibility if you stopped pasting excerpts from anti-vaccine websites and referred to actual studies. |
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http://articles.cnn.com/2008-03-06/h...2?_s=PM:HEALTH Vaccine case draws new attention to autism debate PRIVATE PRACTICE * Quote:
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The decision to award compensation in that case had nothing to do with a vaccine causing autism.
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The vaccine aggravated a pre-existing condition and compensation was awarded accordingly. Saying otherwise is nothing short of dishonest. |
That does not contradict what Sceptic-PK said.
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The 9 vaccines did cause the autism. Certainly the girl was part of the 60% of all the children that were unhealthy and not allowed to take part in the survey mentioned in a previous post. |
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The 9 vaccines did cause the autism. Certainly the girl was part of the 60% of all the children that were unhealthy and not allowed to take part in the survey mentioned in a previous post. The toddler had a condition but did not have autism. 48hrs after she got 9 vaccines, I'm guessing by inoculation, she got autism, she became autistic. I don't give a crap what the decision says because the language of the decision was agreed to by opposing councils. And neither should you. |
I see you are 32. If you have young children or intend to have them I hope you ignore your faith in vaccines and space them, one at a time, as far apart as possible.
That's what my son and his wife have done for their little girl who will be 3 this summer. Both are special ed teachers. |
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I get up every morning before the sun comes up. Does that mean my getting up in the morning makes the sun come up? Or could it be that sunrise and my scheduled wake-up time just happen to occur at close to the same time? |
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Can't you frakking read? |
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I'm sure you'll provide you credentials in microbiology, biochemistry, virology, epidemiology and neurology then. Quote:
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Documents emerge proving Dr Andrew Wakefield innocent; BMJ and Brian Deer caught misrepresenting the facts
http://www.naturalnews.com/031116_Dr...l_Journal.html Quote:
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How many hundreds of thousands of these gruesome attacks on babies could have been prevented?
http://www.naturalnews.com/031116_Dr...l_Journal.html
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Vaccine Profiteers Care Nothing About You or Your Precious Children
CDC vaccine scientist who downplayed links to autism indicted by DOJ in alleged fraud scheme
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I'm sorry, but how is any of this relevant?
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Clayton is just telling us what he believes in. And he's quite the conspiracy believer. He's a Holocaust denier, a 9/11 'truther,' and now (apparently) an anti-vaxxer. (I eagerly await his dissertations on Pearl Harbor, the JFK assassination, and the Apollo moon landings. He's already got one trifecta going; I see no reason for him to not go for another!) |
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Error: Non sequitur. Please try again. |
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http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...096-0/fulltext
Wakefield AJ, et al. Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children. Lancet 1998; 351: 637-641. |
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Clayton, go to the nearest hospital.
Ask where the iron lung is. Go ahead, I dare ya. |
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In the future, you should refrain from referencing Wakefield as he is not a doctor. |
I'm sorry but the fact that other people were investigating a nonexistent problem does not make it valid.
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No, I was implying that you believe in three conspiracy theories in spite of massive evidence demonstrating the theories are false. Therefore it seems plausible that you will easily swallow three additional conspiracy theories. |
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LONDON — A doctor whose research and public statements caused widespread alarm that a common childhood vaccine could cause autism was banned on Monday from practicing medicine in his native Britain for ethical lapses, including conducting invasive medical procedures on children that they did not need.It's unfortunate that they couldn't nail him for criminally negligent homicide. |
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