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Captain_Swoop 25th September 2020 03:44 PM

Trump Tweets

A three year HOAX. A failed COUP!

A great Scam against our Country!
Quote Tweet

NPR Politics
@nprpolitics
FBI Agent In Flynn Case Had Doubts About Investigation, Document Shows

Ladewig 25th September 2020 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13236711)
As others have noted:




Trump makes it even worse, though, because he adds the steps:

#4 No, not that solution, that would make me look bad!
#5 Let's do the exact opposite! That will make me look good!
#6 Fire that "smart guy" and hire another idiot
#7 That guy was a loser, I never liked him, I don't even know how he got the job!
#8 Deny the problem is still a problem
#9 Give himself an A++DoublePlusGood mark for how he handled the problem

tered.

I think #8.a is Yell at everyone who even mentions the topic.

and #9.a is Fabricate stories about foreign leaders calling you sir, marveling at the perfection of your response, and observing that the press is more unfair to you than to any other world leader going back beyond written language.

Ladewig 25th September 2020 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13236951)
"Will we be president in ten years? Only if we add a couple of terms," said Trump just now in Atlanta, followed by chants of "12 more years!"

"It's worse than Afghanistan" -- Trump on cities run by Democrats

"It's really hurting the Black community" -- Trump on BLM

“We” ?

Lurch 25th September 2020 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13237021)
“We” ?

The Royal We, obviously.

RolandRat 25th September 2020 04:51 PM

"Donald Trump’s former Coast Guard chief is backing Joe Biden, in part because of the president’s anti-science stance on the climate crisis and the Covid-19 pandemic.

Retired Admiral Paul Zukunft, who left his post in 2018, told Politico that Mr Trump had caused “irrevocable” damage to the environment.

The military leader pointed to the president’s decision to withdraw from the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement, which has been backed by almost every country in an effort to cut global emissions and curb temperature rise to well below 2C this century.

Adm. Zukunft told Politico that leaving the climate deal without another solution, along with other Trump policies, have damaged America’s reputation on the world stage.

He also described the Trump presidency as an "insurgency" on Americans' constitutional rights.

"I've seen an insurgency, if you will, on our constitutional rights and more power being centralized at the executive level that has really divided our nation. I am concerned that our constitutional rights are being infringed upon from within,' he told Politico."

Adm. Zukunft was one of hundreds of officials who added their names to an open letter, published on Thursday that read: “We are 489 retired Generals, Admirals, Senior Noncommissioned Officers, Ambassadors and Senior Civilian National Security Officials supporting Joe Biden for President.”

Also on the list is another senior military official who served the Trump administration. Retired Air Force General Paul Selva was the second-highest ranking officer in the military until he stepped down in August last year.

Two defense secretaries, Ash Carter and Chuck Hagel, who served under President Obama as well as Eric Edelman, undersecretary of defense for policy in the George W. Bush administration, have added their names to the letter.

The letter reads: "We are former public servants who have devoted our careers, and in many cases risked our lives, for the United States. We are generals, admirals, senior noncommissioned officers, ambassadors, and senior civilian national security leaders. We are Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. We love our country. Unfortunately, we also fear for it. The COVID-19 pandemic has proven America needs principled, wise, and responsible leadership. America needs a President who understands, as President Harry S. Truman said, that “the buck stops here.”​

“We the undersigned endorse Joe Biden to be the next President of the United States. He is the leader our nation needs.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...?ocid=msedgdhp

Steve 25th September 2020 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13237021)
“We” ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13237025)
The Royal We, obviously.

Americans love royalty. Fought a war to make sure the British monarchy remained their head of state in perpetuity. Republicans are merely trying to maintain that tradition.

quadraginta 25th September 2020 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 13236232)
Oh excellent. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll get COVID-19. His disgusting carcass must be full of chronic illness that makes him high risk. I'd be happy if he suffered any serious health event but COVID-19 seems like poetic justice.


Normally I am reluctant to wish serious physical harm on anyone, no matter how detestable I find them.

But in Trump's case I have to admit that I can think of few fates more fitting than a truly debilitating case of Covid 19.

With lots of long-term after effects.

SezMe 25th September 2020 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13236311)
Trump Retweeted

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
It's clear that If Biden wins the WH, Dems will immediately move to pack the courts to increase their political power. As part of their power-grab, Dems will undoubtedly move to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. Don't let these leftwing radicals get away with it, vote Trump!!! #MAGA

Does *anyone* still fall for this idle threat? Do even the gun nuts think this is a real possibility? Are any voters swayed by such threats?

Rhetorical questions, I suppose.

SezMe 25th September 2020 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13236687)
Trump Retweeted

Sara A. Carter
@SaraCarterDC
INSURANCE POLICY? #FBI analysts investigating #Flynn purchased liability insurance
Just more evidence that proves this was a setup and that #Flynn is innocent...

What!!?? It is my understanding that government officials doing their assigned job cannot be individually sued. Is that right? What liability would FBI agents be subject to? Or is this just more BS from the Trump crowd?

alfaniner 25th September 2020 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13237061)
Normally I am reluctant to wish serious physical harm on anyone, no matter how detestable I find them.

But in Trump's case I have to admit that I can think of few fates more fitting than a truly debilitating case of Covid 19.

With lots of long-term after effects.

All I know is, if I get it I'd like to shake his hand.

Sweatily and vigorously.

Skeptic Ginger 25th September 2020 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13237072)
Does *anyone* still fall for this idle threat? Do even the gun nuts think this is a real possibility? Are any voters swayed by such threats?

Rhetorical questions, I suppose.

Someone needs to remind NRA supporters that the NRA ripped off their donations.

Skeptic Ginger 25th September 2020 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13237076)
What!!?? It is my understanding that government officials doing their assigned job cannot be individually sued. Is that right? What liability would FBI agents be subject to? Or is this just more BS from the Trump crowd?

I'm going with More Lies for $500, Alec.

Stacyhs 25th September 2020 07:01 PM

I'll die happy if Trump strokes out on camera next Tuesday.

Dr.Sid 25th September 2020 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 13236988)
All the jokes at Trump's expense if he loses the election will be epic.

All those jokes said now will also be epic, if he wins. Remember 2016 ?
Don't laugh till it's over.

Ladewig 25th September 2020 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13237072)
Does *anyone* still fall for this idle threat? Do even the gun nuts think this is a real possibility? Are any voters swayed by such threats?

Rhetorical questions, I suppose.

There are a lot of people who consider it a bedrock truth.

If you doubt me, then start driving through a southern state. Leave the interstate and drive on a state highway until you come to a gas station or conveinence store selling MAGA hats. Then find a county highway and drive until you find a grocery store of liquor store selling Trump Wines. Then start asking around.

The other piece of evidence is a 20-year graph of annual gun sales. In election years people stock up on guns and ammo for fear that they will be outlawed soon.

Captain_Swoop 25th September 2020 08:01 PM

Trump in Virginia

"We've taken NASA from fairways, gra-- I mean, you have to see. They had fairways along like a golf course. It was a better golf course than it was a runway." -- Trump tries to say "runways" but accidentally says "fairways," then tries to play it cool. He has golf on the brain.

"They now proved that Russia interfered in 2016. Unfortunately it was on behalf of Hillary Clinton, not Trump" -- Trump just absurdly accused Hillary Clinton of colluding with Russia to run a disinformation campaign against herself

"We've gotta watch this ballot scam, because they're scamming us. And then they say, 'he doesn't want to turn over' Of course I do. But it's gotta be a fair election."

"We're not gonna lose this, expect if they cheat, that's the only way we're gonna lose"

Trump, sounded tired and slurring, rambles at length that NBC covered a hurricane in Florida instead of his Nobel Prize Nomination

Trump once again claims that Cory Booker is coming to destroy the suburbs if Biden is elected

"What would our popularity be if every day for almost four years, you didn't hear any of this ********? ( The media) With all we've done, I think they'd be very nice, the Democrats would say, 'yes, if you'd like, we could cancel the election.'"

"I'm extending a moratorium on offshore drilling but if you want oil rigs out there, just let me know, we'll take it off. I can understand that too."

quadraginta 25th September 2020 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzombiekitty (Post 13236580)
Say what you will about President Camacho, but he at least found the smartest person he could to solve a problem that he knew he was unable to solve himself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13236324)
Trump Tweets

Working hard in New Mexico. I built the Wall (security) and will totally protect your Second Amendment (The Dems want to obliterate it!). Will be there soon!


So now he's saying "the Wall" has been built?

A couple hundred miles of easily bypassed oversize fence that blows over in a strong wind ... on a 2,000 mile border?

Well, at least it won't cost Mexico too much.

quadraginta 25th September 2020 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzombiekitty (Post 13236580)
Say what you will about President Camacho, but he at least found the smartest person he could to solve a problem that he knew he was unable to solve himself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13236583)
Maybe we should start a poll... Who is the better president. Comancho or Trump.

Neither were very smart, but comancho got the smartest person on the planet to fix his problems... Trump got Kushner


There really isn't any basis for comparison. Camacho was trying to solve a problem for the country he was governing, knew he couldn't handle it without help, and picked the best man available for the job.

Trump couldn't care less about anyone else's problems, and only picked his SIL for a sinecure because he likes to have shills and yes-men close to him. (And probably because Ivanka told him to.)

Ladewig 25th September 2020 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13237188)
There really isn't any basis for comparison. Camacho was trying to solve a problem for the country he was governing, knew he couldn't handle it without help, and picked the best man available for the job.

Trump couldn't care less about anyone else's problems, and only picked his SIL for a sinecure because he likes to have shills and yes-men close to him. (And probably because Ivanka told him to.)

I think there is one more reason. Kushner is the only Jew that Trump knew and respected. [Actually, let’s go with somewhat respected.]
He knew he needed someone to solve this whole Middle-East conflict.

Lurch 25th September 2020 09:22 PM

Back in my mid-20s I stumbled upon a copy of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. It was my first deep dive into the Nazi regime. With its you-are-there-in-the-room-as-witness immediacy (the tone was buttressed by Shirer's own experiences in Germany during part of that time), I was gripped, experiencing both dread and fatalistic dismay at the inexorable descent into Hell chronicled therein.

I've re-read it twice since. And much else covering that crucial period of history.

I've often wondered why enough people then didn't see the signs clearly enough, to realize the terrible fate awaiting so many millions, and thereby avert disaster.

Today I feel much the same dread at the approaching potential for calamity. Likely not at the same awful scale and magnitude as that which gripped the world in the 1930s. But of a nation-wounding level nonetheless. And not confined to the US, as the web of nations does not permit to hermetically seal in and isolate a ructious disruption within a Great Power.

The particular form of American Capitalism is inimical to a healthy society, in that its inevitable end result is an ever increasing wealth divide. This kind of Capitalism really is a coddling, socialistic favoritism for the wealthy, and a rough, hardscrabble fighting for scraps for the rest. In order to keep the disenfranchised from rising up against the rapacious few, a political system has been devised where the poor are given lessers to kick down upon, enemies to hate as the cause of their ills.

This mass insanity around the almighty dollar, the naked chasing and veritable worship of which has put so much into so few hands, is approaching breaking point. Too many of the citizenry are jaded, disillusioned, desperate. While some may not perceive the full and real picture, a general cynicism has resulted in either malaise or nihilism.

One result of disillusionment is a cleaving by some to a messiah-like Leader who they are lead to believe will deliver them from their current difficulties. Not unlike Hitler during the economic woes and political chaos of Weimar Germany. In America today this manifests in much the same cult-like adherence to a populist, where reality is ignored and delusion and fantasy are ferociously clung to.

To cut this short, I fear that, as in times past, too few will perceive the danger in time, and a terrible price due to inaction, or action taken too late, will be exacted. Just as for the dread- and frustration-inducing shenanigans during the rise of Hitler, Goebbels, Roehm, Goering, etc., the antics of Trump, Barr, McConnell and company have me almost shrieking to the heavens, "Wake up, fools!"

Captain_Swoop 26th September 2020 01:17 AM

Watch the BBC series. 'Nazis: A Warning from History' and 'Rise of the Nazis'

they will send shivers.

Captain_Swoop 26th September 2020 01:19 AM

Trump Tweets

The "Intelligence" briefing on so-called "Russian hacking" was delayed until Friday, perhaps more time needed to build a case. Very strange!

Based on the strong recommendation of @SenDanSullivan and @repdonyoung of the Great State of Alaska, it is my honor to inform you that I will be issuing a Presidential Permit for the A2A Cross-Border Rail between Alaska & Canada. Congratulations to the people of Alaska & Canada!

The Obama Administration was not out to get the facts, they were out to “get Trump”. Ken Starr...And got caught red handed - All of them. “Trump was right”, they said!

The Great Zaganza 26th September 2020 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13237276)
Trump Tweets

The "Intelligence" briefing on so-called "Russian hacking" was delayed until Friday, perhaps more time needed to build a case. Very strange!

More likely delayed to give sources of information time to get extracted before Trump tells Putin who they are.

Stacyhs 26th September 2020 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13237276)
Trump Tweets

The "Intelligence" briefing on so-called "Russian hacking" was delayed until Friday, perhaps more time needed to build a case. Very strange!

Based on the strong recommendation of @SenDanSullivan and @repdonyoung of the Great State of Alaska, it is my honor to inform you that I will be issuing a Presidential Permit for the A2A Cross-Border Rail between Alaska & Canada. Congratulations to the people of Alaska & Canada!

The Obama Administration was not out to get the facts, they were out to “get Trump”. Ken Starr...And got caught red handed - All of them. “Trump was right”, they said!

Who is 'they'? The same ones he hears in his head who tell him whatever he wants to hear that no one else hears?

Skeptic Ginger 26th September 2020 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13237278)
Who is 'they'? The same ones he hears in his head who tell him whatever he wants to hear that no one else hears?

Pretty much, yeah. "Sir you were right."

Sigh.

Fast Eddie B 26th September 2020 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13237212)
Back in my mid-20s I stumbled upon a copy of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. It was my first deep dive into the Nazi regime. With its you-are-there-in-the-room-as-witness immediacy (the tone was buttressed by Shirer's own experiences in Germany during part of that time), I was gripped, experiencing both dread and fatalistic dismay at the inexorable descent into Hell chronicled therein.

I've re-read it twice since...

That sounds like my story.

Have you read “Berlin Diary” by the same author?

https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/com...896l/23756.jpg

Since you brought up “immediacy”, it has it in spades, since it’s a collection of writings by the author at the time, as things gradually and inexorably spiraled downhill. Highly recommended.

Bob001 26th September 2020 07:40 AM

John Mulaney explains it all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhkZ...J4Pw&index=201

newyorkguy 26th September 2020 07:54 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13236912)
Obama has a plan to get Trump out of the WH if he loses the election:
Quote:

“This is a man who enjoys watching television,” Obama told reporters. “What if, on Inauguration Day, he picks up the remote and nothing comes on? This seems like the most peaceful way to get him to go,” Obama said. Obama also said that, in order to avoid a constitutional crisis, the White House’s supply of Diet Coke could also be cut off, but added, “I don’t think it will come to that. Once it dawns on him that there’s no cable, his days will stretch out before him in a vista of emptiness,” Obama said. “No ‘Fox & Friends.’ No Tucker Carlson. And no Shark Week. He’ll be on the next helicopter out,” Obama predicted.
The New Yorker

Method to the madness. The one thing dictators can't deal with is being laughed at.

alfaniner 26th September 2020 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13237507)
Method to the madness. The one thing dictators can't deal with is being laughed at.

I wonder, is the debate going to have an audience? It would be one of the few times since getting elected that The PDJT would have to face a mixed crowd. I'd love to hear Animal House responses from the gallery -- "<*cough ******** cough">.

Safe-Keeper 26th September 2020 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 13237547)
I wonder, is the debate going to have an audience? It would be one of the few times since getting elected that The PDJT would have to face a mixed crowd. I'd love to hear Animal House responses from the gallery -- "<*cough ******** cough">.

His last experience with a mixed crowd consisted of him flouncing after five seconds of "vote him out" from the crowd :rolleyes: .

Captain_Swoop 26th September 2020 10:38 AM

Trump Retweeted

Dan Scavino
@DanScavino
Seems like something the FBI Director could have cleared up years ago, instead of letting this BS drag on throughout President Trump’s entire first term. The O’Biden Administration literally tried to take Trump down. Always knew it, but now we FACTUALLY know it! Unbelievable!!

Captain_Swoop 26th September 2020 10:40 AM

Trump Tweets
Presidential Message on the National Day of Prayer and Return, 2020

On this inaugural National Day of Prayer and Return, the First Lady and I join millions of Christians here in the United States and around the world in prayer, as we turn our hearts to our Lord and Savior.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...r-return-2020/

Resume 26th September 2020 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13237632)
Trump Tweets
Presidential Message on the National Day of Prayer and Return, 2020

On this inaugural National Day of Prayer and Return, the First Lady and I join millions of Christians here in the United States and around the world in prayer, as we turn our hearts to our Lord and Savior.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...r-return-2020/

Bwahahhahhahhahhahhah!

Steve 26th September 2020 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13237632)
Trump Tweets
Presidential Message on the National Day of Prayer and Return, 2020

On this inaugural National Day of Prayer and Return, the First Lady and I join millions of Christians here in the United States and around the world in prayer, as we turn our hearts to our Lord and Savior.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...r-return-2020/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13237648)
Bwahahhahhahhahhahhah!

Trump did not write that.

Resume 26th September 2020 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 13237659)
Trump did not write that.

Nor does he believe it.

Darat 26th September 2020 11:15 AM

He seems to also think other countries share the USA's national day!

Stacyhs 26th September 2020 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13237492)

That was brilliant.

Stacyhs 26th September 2020 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13237632)
Trump Tweets
Presidential Message on the National Day of Prayer and Return, 2020

On this inaugural National Day of Prayer and Return, the First Lady and I join millions of Christians here in the United States and around the world in prayer, as we turn our hearts to our Lord and Savior.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...r-return-2020/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 13237659)
Trump did not write that.

Of course not; his phone would have burst into flames.

Lennart Hyland 26th September 2020 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13237664)
Nor does he believe it.

Well thats a good thing atleast...

Skeptic Ginger 26th September 2020 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13237628)
Trump Retweeted

Dan Scavino
@DanScavino
Seems like something the FBI Director could have cleared up years ago, instead of letting this BS drag on throughout President Trump’s entire first term. The O’Biden Administration literally tried to take Trump down. Always knew it, but now we FACTUALLY know it! Unbelievable!!

The fact Trump just couldn't get that done in several years couldn't possibly mean there was nothing to it, like 'her emails'. :rolleyes:

Oh I forgot, Biden/Obama/Clinton were POTUS these last few years. Just wait until Trump is actually in charge!

Skeptic Ginger 26th September 2020 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13237632)
Trump Tweets
Presidential Message on the National Day of Prayer and Return, 2020

On this inaugural National Day of Prayer and Return, the First Lady and I join millions of Christians here in the United States and around the world in prayer, as we turn our hearts to our Lord and Savior.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...r-return-2020/

:eusa_sick:

Prayer and Return? Is that when Jesus rose up from the dead or are they officially praying for The Return? :confused:

Skeptic Ginger 26th September 2020 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13237664)
Nor does he believe it.

Nor are they going to pray. :rolleyes:

alfaniner 26th September 2020 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13237668)
He seems to also think other countries share the USA's national day!

And all religions.

The Man 26th September 2020 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13236896)
Trump Tweets

I was honored to be back in Georgia with a truly incredible organization—BLACK VOICES FOR TRUMP, where I announced a brand new plan to deliver more opportunity, more security, more fairness, and more prosperity to black communities. #ThePlatinumPlan

*

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*Hilite added

The Man 26th September 2020 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13237114)
I'm going with More Lies for $500, Alec.

Not a lie, your car insurance is (at least) liability insurance. As would be certain portions of homeowners' insurance.

Minoosh 26th September 2020 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13237172)
Trump in Virginia

...

"What would our popularity be if every day for almost four years, you didn't hear any of this ********? ( The media) With all we've done, I think they'd be very nice, the Democrats would say, 'yes, if you'd like, we could cancel the election.'"

This is actually a very interesting question and speaks to a paradox about covering Trump. Which is worse, ignoring his lies or engaging with them? And I think the answer has to be to rebut them, but then there's this vicious cycle of him telling one outrageous lie after another to keep his detractors at maximum outrage so that he can paint himself as a victim.

Early on I thought there was a middle course: Correct his facts. But don't write an analysis piece every time he yanks your chain. Early on I got tired of CNN telling me why I should be outraged. And I wonder if some of this editorializing made it easier for him to maintain perpetual martyrdom. I wonder if this had been approached differently if his BS was met with a calm, neutral fact check, without the constant drumbeat of opinion pieces saying this time he's gone too far!!!

I'm not sure more people wouldn't have gradually twigged to the fact that he was lying to them with utter contempt. In teaching, sometimes it's better to let students figure out for themselves that something's not right. "Show don't tell" goes one old saw. I think CNN may have inadvertently rallied people around Trump with a bit too much editorializing in news stories and too many "This is why he's gone too far this time" essays that were essentially porn for people like me, who were hoping he would disappear like a miracle any day now if only the spotlight was shined on him relentlessly enough. I still think CNN is far more reliable than Fox News, but both are businesses that frequently pander to their audiences.

But clearly, this is highly speculative and I might be 100 percent wrong. Still. I wonder about the road not taken. I wonder if his less-gullible supporters might have come to realize on their own what an empty suit Trump really is.

Gulliver Foyle 26th September 2020 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13236602)
Bernie Brothers, but I'd be remiss not to give Susan Sarondon a shout out

Why are you singling them out. Over 90% of Bernie supporters voted Hilary Clinton in the election, a good 20% higher than Clinton voters who supported Obama in 2008.

There are four reasons Hilary Clinton lost, in descending order:

1) The republican party disenfranchising c. ten million US citizens.
2) James Comey and the "butheremails!" October surprise he ran on behalf of his party colleague Trump.
3) Russia's various meddling.
4) Hilary Clinton running a very bad and lacklustre campaign, and realising too late that she needed to be more than not-Trump.

And the weightings I'd give all those would be 70-20-7-3. The simple fact of the matter, Trump probably had the election won before he even started consorting with an enemy belligerent.

Trebuchet 26th September 2020 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle (Post 13237847)
Why are you singling them out. Over 90% of Bernie supporters voted Hilary Clinton in the election, a good 20% higher than Clinton voters who supported Obama in 2008.

There are four reasons Hilary Clinton lost, in descending order:

1) The republican party disenfranchising c. ten million US citizens.
2) James Comey and the "butheremails!" October surprise he ran on behalf of his party colleague Trump.
3) Russia's various meddling.
4) Hilary Clinton running a very bad and lacklustre campaign, and realising too late that she needed to be more than not-Trump.

And the weightings I'd give all those would be 70-20-7-3. The simple fact of the matter, Trump probably had the election won before he even started consorting with an enemy belligerent.

5) Her personality, or lack thereof. Maybe should be higher than that.

Gulliver Foyle 26th September 2020 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13237212)
The particular form of American Capitalism is inimical to a healthy society, in that its inevitable end result is an ever increasing wealth divide. This kind of Capitalism really is a coddling, socialistic favoritism for the wealthy, and a rough, hardscrabble fighting for scraps for the rest. In order to keep the disenfranchised from rising up against the rapacious few, a political system has been devised where the poor are given lessers to kick down upon, enemies to hate as the cause of their ills.

It's the only kind of capitalism that there is. Once you start putting constraints on the owners of capital, then the economic system no longer is caplitalist.

Gulliver Foyle 26th September 2020 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13237664)
Nor does he believe it.

I'll let you in on a little secret, most christian leaders don't believe. They're just in it for the spondoolicks.


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