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The Don 5th October 2020 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13247646)
I don't think so.

A key appeal of Trump is that he is triggering the Libs with not following the rules.
And getting hospitalized for not following the rules is very much a vindication of what the Libs have been saying all along.

Except that since getting the diagnosis, he has continued to act to "trigger teh libz" by attending fundraisers, not wearing a mask and going for a drive to acknowledge the "patriots" lurking, unmasked, outside the hospital.

This is a man who not only took one for the team by failing to bow to the libs and change his behaviour, but who has bravely soldiered on, doing work and getting out (in stark contrast to Hidin' Biden).

I fear that this is what his base want and may sway some undecideds who will consider his actions as strength. :(

The Great Zaganza 5th October 2020 12:45 AM

Throughout his term, Trump had an air of invulnerability: Mueller, Impeachment, tons of negative books and news, and nothing seemed to stick.

This definitely does, to a degree that his supporters must not only fear his resignation/removal, but his actual demise.

All Authoritarians have one thing in common: they are powerful as long as they seem powerful. Weakness brings out the sharks.
This makes Trump seem weak, literally so.

You can be sure that the GOP is working feverishly on a post-Trump scenario, starting with looking for ways to get their campaign money back.

Segnosaur 5th October 2020 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnonyMoose (Post 13247339)
As much as I want to puke saying this, Trump's illness will do for him what 911 did for Dubya. Mark my words.

I doubt it.

Opinion polls taken since Trump was diagnosed suggest that the majority of people think Trump had not done enough to protect himself against Covid19. Its hard to get sympathy when people think "you brought it on yourself".

Compare that to 9/11, where most people (apart from perhaps a few conspiracy theorists and the like) see the attacks as something that were unexpected. i.e. it was easier to see Bush as a sort of victim of circumstance who was put into a difficult situation through no fault of his own.

Ethan Thane Athen 5th October 2020 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13247672)
Throughout his term, Trump had an air of invulnerability: Mueller, Impeachment, tons of negative books and news, and nothing seemed to stick.

This definitely does, to a degree that his supporters must not only fear his resignation/removal, but his actual demise.

All Authoritarians have one thing in common: they are powerful as long as they seem powerful. Weakness brings out the sharks.
This makes Trump seem weak, literally so.

You can be sure that the GOP is working feverishly on a post-Trump scenario, starting with looking for ways to get their campaign money back.

I'm not sure. They are already selling the narrative of him working through it - what a hero! They'll manage the usual logic disconnect of simultaneously holding in their heads two contradictory thoughts:

"What a warrior, carried on working through a vicious Chinese virus that has killed lesser men"

and

"It's all a hoax / no worse than the flu. Look at Trump - he had it and was fine."

Just like that stupid woman who posted to intimate that the democrats / deep state / liberal media had deliberately infected him via the mic and lectern during the debate (because he was fine before that) and then also posted what a warrior he was because he had whumped Biden in the debate, despite suffering from Covid.

Trump is a religion, immune to logic.

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Mumbles 5th October 2020 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13247462)
It looks so much like a random wish list that people just might perceive it that way.

Anyway, I wonder what the white supremacy advocates will think of treating the KKK like a terrorist group, making Juneteenth a national holiday etc.

Standard technique - as always with the modern GOP, these are meant to signal that Toupee Fiasco falls into the safe, "not a racist" bin. The dumber white supremacists will howl and rage, the smarter ones will figure it out immediately.

(And by "dumber", I mean folks that think he cares about the KKK, or that he knew what Juneteenth even was before this year. These moves reek of Stephen Miller and Jared Kushner - just pathetically obvious.)

timhau 5th October 2020 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnonyMoose (Post 13247339)
He may very well be right.

As much as I want to puke saying this, Trump's illness will do for him what 911 did for Dubya. Mark my words.

What it seems to have done so far, based on FiveThirtyEight's poll numbers, is a small uptick in his approval rating which isn't reflected in election polls.

JoeMorgue 5th October 2020 06:41 AM

Yeah but the defining oddness (politically speaking) of Trump has always been that nothing ever affects his approval rating. From the moment he really gained steam as the Republican nominee to now he's maintained that weirdly consistent 40 to 45-ish approval rating across more crises then the run of your average soap opera.

People made up their minds about Trump quickly and stayed there.

timhau 5th October 2020 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13247866)
People made up their minds about Trump quickly and stayed there.

Accepting Donald Trump as your personal Lord and Savior seems to be the terminal thought to end all thought processes.

johnny karate 5th October 2020 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13247650)
Except that since getting the diagnosis, he has continued to act to "trigger teh libz" by attending fundraisers, not wearing a mask and going for a drive to acknowledge the "patriots" lurking, unmasked, outside the hospital.

This is a man who not only took one for the team by failing to bow to the libs and change his behaviour, but who has bravely soldiered on, doing work and getting out (in stark contrast to Hidin' Biden).

I fear that this is what his base want and may sway some undecideds who will consider his actions as strength. :(

I really struggle to imagine the voter who has been up until now undecided on Trump, but has now decided to vote for him because he caught the coronavirus.

Horatius 5th October 2020 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timhau (Post 13247834)
What it seems to have done so far, based on FiveThirtyEight's poll numbers, is a small uptick in his approval rating which isn't reflected in election polls.



Well, to be fair, I approve of him getting sick, because I think the bastard deserves some suffering, so there's that.

varwoche 5th October 2020 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnonyMoose (Post 13247339)
He may very well be right.

As much as I want to puke saying this, Trump's illness will do for him what 911 did for Dubya. Mark my words.

I'll bet you vast sums of cash. We just need to firm up the particulars.

timhau 5th October 2020 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13247977)
I'll bet you vast sums of cash. We just need to firm up the particulars.

Do it the Trump way. Bet vast sums of someone else's cash.

llwyd 5th October 2020 08:39 AM

Lots of "concern" here, lots. Anyway, I would advice to check the main poll aggregators which really are the best actual data at the moment. The Biden lead is exceptionally big in these polarized times and remarkably stable, except that it has been slowly rising for weeks now. So maybe a bit less "concern" would be in order...

Mumbles 5th October 2020 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by llwyd (Post 13248001)
Lots of "concern" here, lots. Anyway, I would advice to check the main poll aggregators which really are the best actual data at the moment. The Biden lead is exceptionally big in these polarized times and remarkably stable, except that it has been slowly rising for weeks now. So maybe a bit less "concern" would be in order...

Personally, I'd say that the change that has shown thus far is insignificant - more or less swamped by random variation. The main thing about these aggregators is that they smooth out sudden spikes in this or that poll, unless they reflect *actual* shifts in public opinion - at which point they're reflected decently in every poll.

The Don 5th October 2020 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny karate (Post 13247965)
I really struggle to imagine the voter who has been up until now undecided on Trump, but has now decided to vote for him because he caught the coronavirus.

I struggle to imagine anyone who isn't decided on their position on President Trump but apparently they exist.

Whether they're stuck making a decision between President Trump and Joe Biden is a different matter - though they probably exist - IMO it's more a case of whether someone will actually bother to turn out and vote for him.

Either way, suddenly feeling sorry for him or thinking that he's bravely putting his own welfare to one side to work for the good of the country may be just enough to persuade that person to vote to re-elect the President.

RolandRat 5th October 2020 10:50 AM

"President Trump's re-election campaign is arguing that his COVID-19 diagnosis and subsequent hospitalization should be seen as advantages over his Democratic challenger, former Vice President Joe Biden, who has not contracted the coronavirus, in the lead up to the presidential election.

Erin Perrine, the Trump campaign's director of press communications, told Fox News on Monday that Trump's bout with the virus is just another addition to his list of "firsthand experiences" — which also includes his career as a businessman and the last several years in the Oval Office — that Biden does not have."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

phiwum 5th October 2020 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolandRat (Post 13248186)
"President Trump's re-election campaign is arguing that his COVID-19 diagnosis and subsequent hospitalization should be seen as advantages over his Democratic challenger, former Vice President Joe Biden, who has not contracted the coronavirus, in the lead up to the presidential election.

Erin Perrine, the Trump campaign's director of press communications, told Fox News on Monday that Trump's bout with the virus is just another addition to his list of "firsthand experiences" ó which also includes his career as a businessman and the last several years in the Oval Office ó that Biden does not have."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

Brilliant. There's no doubt Trump has lots of experience Biden hasn't. Has Biden ever paid off a porn star, even once?

Biden could've gone the extra mile and contracted H1N1 while he was VP, but did he? No. Because he doesn't care enough about the US of A.

I'm sold.

Stacyhs 5th October 2020 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 13248216)
Brilliant. There's no doubt Trump has lots of experience Biden hasn't. Has Biden ever paid off a porn star, even once?

Biden could've gone the extra mile and contracted H1N1 while he was VP, but did he? No. Because he doesn't care enough about the US of A.

I'm sold.

Biden could also have declared bankruptcy several times, cheated on his taxes, and cheated on his wives. I guess that would have given more of the same experience as Trump, too.

JoeMorgue 5th October 2020 11:27 AM

Has Biden ever had to run the country during a Trump Presidency? No only Trump has.

Checkmate libruls.

Segnosaur 5th October 2020 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13248234)
Has Biden ever had to run the country during a Trump Presidency? No only Trump has.

Checkmate libruls.

Really? From the way trump talks/campaigns I thought Biden was the incumbent any trump was the challenger.

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Galaxie 5th October 2020 11:43 AM

I just know Trump will recover and then downplay the virus even more. He'll be something like this:

"The doctors couldn't believe my recovery. They said, 'Sir, how did you beat it so fast?' and I said, 'I have a great immune system, one of the great immune systems of all time. You've never seen an immune system like mine, believe me.' And it was no big deal, really. They said 'Oh weren't you worried you'd die?' and I was like 'No, but I tell you what, Sleepy Joe should be worried. He should be worried because the Kung Flu will take him like that [makes slashing gesture]. Why do you think he always wears that mask? He's scared! He's scared and he's weak."

thaiboxerken 5th October 2020 11:45 AM

He just tweeted he'll be released today. This leads me to believe that it was all a political stunt

Galaxie 5th October 2020 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken (Post 13248268)
He just tweeted he'll be released today. This leads me to believe that it was all a political stunt

Could be, although, being a stunt would conflict a bit with the leaks about low blood oxygen levels and requiring steroids.

TragicMonkey 5th October 2020 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken (Post 13248268)
He just tweeted he'll be released today. This leads me to believe that it was all a political stunt

It leads me to believe he'll be readmitted back to the hospital within 24 hours in much worse condition. The man's a fool to himself, not just to the rest of us.

ponderingturtle 5th October 2020 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey (Post 13248278)
It leads me to believe he'll be readmitted back to the hospital within 24 hours in much worse condition. The man's a fool to himself, not just to the rest of us.

I think that is not unlikely, but I try not to get my hopes up, this is 2020 after all.

JoeMorgue 5th October 2020 12:01 PM

There's still some people at the White House he hasn't infected yet. He'll go back to the Hospital after he's licked all of them.

Armitage72 5th October 2020 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxie (Post 13248277)
Could be, although, being a stunt would conflict a bit with the leaks about low blood oxygen levels and requiring steroids.


There was a discussion in the Trump and COVID thread about the side effects of the drug he was given, from someone who has taken it themselves.

"It is an upper; within just a few hours you feel smarter and believe you are thinking faster than ever. When on it I would make elaborate jokes that I thought were clever but most others didn’t get. You don’t need to sleep."

That's likely why he's babbling about how great he feels.

Dr. Keith 5th October 2020 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13248288)
There's still some people at the White House he hasn't infected yet. He'll go back to the Hospital after he's licked all of them.

He really needs to go by the Senate on his way.

thaiboxerken 5th October 2020 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13248395)
There was a discussion in the Trump and COVID thread about the side effects of the drug he was given, from someone who has taken it themselves.

"It is an upper; within just a few hours you feel smarter and believe you are thinking faster than ever. When on it I would make elaborate jokes that I thought were clever but most others didnít get. You donít need to sleep."

That's likely why he's babbling about how great he feels.

How is this different from how he normally behaves?

Captain_Swoop 5th October 2020 01:05 PM

Wouldn't it be funny that in the next debate, when Trump tries to interrupt, he just starts coughing?

Stacyhs 5th October 2020 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey (Post 13248278)
It leads me to believe he'll be readmitted back to the hospital within 24 hours in much worse condition. The man's a fool to himself, not just to the rest of us.

Don't play with me like that. It's just cruel.

Horatius 5th October 2020 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13248411)
Wouldn't it be funny that in the next debate, when Trump tries to interrupt, he just starts coughing?


That's an odd way to spell "horrifying".


But yes, in the script that is the 2020 movie, of course this is going to happen.

Ladewig 5th October 2020 01:25 PM

The White House spins like a dervish.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Erin Perrine
“Well, firsthand experience is always going to change how someone is going to relate to something that’s been happening. The president has coronavirus right now, he is battling it head-on as toughly as only President Trump can, and, listen, of course that’s going to change the way that he, he, he speaks of it because it will be a firsthand experience. But, you know, that experience, that experience of not only coronavirus, but of being president of the United States, that’s why you just see a different tone overall from him.”


The reason truth is stranger than fiction is that fiction has to make sense.

thaiboxerken 5th October 2020 01:25 PM

I would laugh in joy if Trump keeled over and died during the debate.

Captain_Swoop 5th October 2020 01:28 PM

Why would anyone want to take part in, or be in the audience for a debate with Trump spewing virus everywhere?

thaiboxerken 5th October 2020 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13248439)
Why would anyone want to take part in, or be in the audience for a debate with Trump spewing virus everywhere?

Because to them, he's a god. They are willing to die just to see their god. They are happy to get the disease and think it's even better if that disease came from their god.

Heck, they'd love to get STD's from Trump if they could.

Resume 5th October 2020 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erin Perrine
Well, firsthand experience is always going to change how someone is going to relate to something thatís been happening. The president has coronavirus right now, he is battling it head-on as toughly as only President Trump can, and, listen, of course thatís going to change the way that he, he, he speaks of it because it will be a firsthand experience. But, you know, that experience, that experience of not only coronavirus, but of being president of the United States, thatís why you just see a different tone overall from him.

Jesus Christ, his drooling sycophants are lined up around the block to give him a reach-around.

Ladewig 5th October 2020 01:38 PM

Was this quote already covered in this thread?

Quote:

Originally Posted by President Trump
”I learned a lot about COVID! I learned it by really going to school. This is the real school. This isn’t the, ‘Let’s-read-the-book school.’ And I get it. And I understand it. And it’s a very interesting thing, and I’m going to be letting you know about it."

Yeah. You go, Donald.

I don’t want oncologists who just studied cancer in medical school and in hospitals, I want oncologists who understand cancer because they have had it. That’s really going to cancer school.

But the saddest thing is that he didn’t learn jack **** about it. He will probably came away thinking that everyone will have state of the art equipment, a half dozen doctors devoted to each patient, access to the latest experimental drugs, and a surgical suite on standby just for them. Because President Sociopath can’t empathize or even imagine how the 99% live.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Trump
"I feel better than I did 20 years ago!"

Says the guy who was accusing Biden of using performance enhancing drugs.

Captain_Swoop 5th October 2020 01:39 PM

Trump is planning to participate in the next Presidential debate scheduled for October 15th Tim Murtaugh confirms to CNN.

dudalb 5th October 2020 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timhau (Post 13247993)
Do it the Trump way. Bet vast sums of someone else's cash.

TRump is not a good gambler. He went bankrupt running a casino.

Resume 5th October 2020 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13248458)
Trump is planning to participate in the next Presidential debate scheduled for October 15th Tim Murtaugh confirms to CNN.

Of course he does, but a lot can happen in ten days. Jesus on a pogostick, a lot can happen in two hours with this psycho and his administration.

dudalb 5th October 2020 01:45 PM

GOd, Trump just gave Biden a huge club to beat him with with the "Covid is not dangerous" tweet.

Ladewig 5th October 2020 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13248463)
TRump is not a good gambler. He went bankrupt running a casino.

But the question is did he lose money in those bankruptcies. I read that for the second casino he merely licensed his name and did not put any personal money into the business.

Ladewig 5th October 2020 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13248468)
GOd, Trump just gave Biden a huge club to beat him with with the "Covid is not dangerous" tweet.

Indeed.
I would think it would be easy to work the discussion around to the point of asking Trump, ďif it is not that dangerous, why did 200,000 Americans die from it? Were they just weak-willed? Did they simply not have your self-discipline and force of will?Ē

I think Trump would have to claim he was mentally superior and that is a reason he survived. Of course, even something as egregious as that probably would not turn the faithful away,

Captain_Swoop 5th October 2020 02:00 PM

Trump Tweets

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Mader Levap 5th October 2020 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13248458)
Trump is planning to participate in the next Presidential debate scheduled for October 15th Tim Murtaugh confirms to CNN.

It won't happen.

Crash from drug high won't be pretty.

Stacyhs 5th October 2020 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mader Levap (Post 13248574)
It won't happen.

Crash from drug high won't be pretty.

I think it will. And it may be very entertaining.

Mader Levap 5th October 2020 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13248582)
I think it will.

Trump may be physically unable to do anything at this date, if all goes well (not for him, of course).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13248582)
And it may be very entertaining.

You have interesting definition of "entertaining".

alfaniner 5th October 2020 04:12 PM

He was clearly breathing very hard after ascending the stairs. He looked like I did after taking a hard hit to the solar plexus in a sparring match, but trying not to show it affected me. Of course, I'd expect to see that even if he wasn't sick, in his shape and walking up that short flight of stairs.


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