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Captain_Swoop 27th June 2021 02:55 AM

While everyone is looking at the distraction of Hancock caught snogging, this also happened on Friday

Gove found guilty of awarding contracts to his mates.
Yesterday’s Court hearing https://goodlawproject.org/update/ye...court-hearing/

Vixen 27th June 2021 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13520381)
The department of health is to look into how footage from Matt Hancock's office was leaked, Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis has said.

Asked about the leak on the BBC's Andrew Marr programme, Mr Lewis said: "The Department of Health will be investigating quite rightly to understand how this was able to happened."
"We have got to to concerned about the fact that someone was able to secure a recording from inside a government building," he added.
Replying to a question about the possibility of a general review into security cameras across government buildings, Mr Lewis said he was "sure that is something the team will be looking at".
"I take the view that everything you are saying or putting in writing will be reported somewhere."

Speaking on the same programme, Jeremy Hunt - Mr Hancock's predecessor as health secretary and now chairman of the Health and Social Care Select Committee - said there "absolutely" needed to be a review of security across Whitehall.
"It is completely unacceptable from a security point of view that minsters are big filmed from inside their own offices without their knowledge."
Asked if the leak was a breach of the Official Secrets Act and whether the police should be involved, Mr Hunt said "possibly" but added that whistleblowers should be protected.

Speaking to Sky News, former Labour cabinet minister Alan Johnson said: "I could never understand why there was a camera in the secretary of state's office.
"There was never a camera in my office when I was health secretary or in any of the other five cabinet positions."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57628523

They are probably mortified that someone somewhere has a video of that time Miss Moneypenny took dictation and it ended in a frantic lovemaking session over the desk, or she disappeared under the desk...

Captain_Swoop 27th June 2021 02:58 AM

Brandon Lewis put out by the Tories to spin the yarn on Marr and Sky says that In resigning, Matt Hancock has “put his family first”

He literally left his wife and children to shack up with his aide!

Mojo 27th June 2021 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13520383)
While everyone is looking at the distraction of Hancock caught snogging, this also happened on Friday

Gove found guilty of awarding contracts to his mates.
Yesterday’s Court hearing https://goodlawproject.org/update/ye...court-hearing/


Nope, not a criminal prosecution, so “guilty” was not a possible result.

jimbob 27th June 2021 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13520381)
The department of health is to look into how footage from Matt Hancock's office was leaked, Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis has said.

Asked about the leak on the BBC's Andrew Marr programme, Mr Lewis said: "The Department of Health will be investigating quite rightly to understand how this was able to happened."
"We have got to to concerned about the fact that someone was able to secure a recording from inside a government building," he added.
Replying to a question about the possibility of a general review into security cameras across government buildings, Mr Lewis said he was "sure that is something the team will be looking at".
"I take the view that everything you are saying or putting in writing will be reported somewhere."

Speaking on the same programme, Jeremy Hunt - Mr Hancock's predecessor as health secretary and now chairman of the Health and Social Care Select Committee - said there "absolutely" needed to be a review of security across Whitehall.
"It is completely unacceptable from a security point of view that minsters are big filmed from inside their own offices without their knowledge."
Asked if the leak was a breach of the Official Secrets Act and whether the police should be involved, Mr Hunt said "possibly" but added that whistleblowers should be protected.

Speaking to Sky News, former Labour cabinet minister Alan Johnson said: "I could never understand why there was a camera in the secretary of state's office.
"There was never a camera in my office when I was health secretary or in any of the other five cabinet positions."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57628523


Exactly.

What organisation filmed it? Was it legal? Why were they filming it? How did it get to News Corp*. What other Cabinet offices are being filmed? What organisations have access to the footage? What other footage is there and who is sitting on it? If a media organisation has such footage, how many foreign intelligence services have similar footage for the Foreign Office and MOD for example?





*Known, of course, to have links to the institutionally-corrupt wing of the Met.

jimbob 27th June 2021 03:08 AM

Meanwhile on the issue of national security:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57624942

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Classified Ministry of Defence documents containing details about HMS Defender and the British military have been found at a bus stop in Kent.

One set of documents discusses the likely Russian reaction to the ship's passage through Ukrainian waters off the Crimea coast on Wednesday.

Another details plans for a possible UK military presence in Afghanistan after the US-led Nato operation there ends.

The government said an investigation had been launched.

A Ministry of Defence spokesperson said an employee had reported the loss of sensitive defence papers, adding: "It would be inappropriate to comment further."

Mojo 27th June 2021 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13519680)
Sadly, for most of the time we are indeed governed by the same class and as ever high and low society always had a very nasty intersection.

At the moment the best one can say is none of the current cabinet members have (yet...) been convicted of crimes and imprisoned so we are doing better than the Thatcher and Major years!


I don’t remember any then-current cabinet members being convicted and imprisoned under Thatcher or Major.

Darat 27th June 2021 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13520394)
I don’t remember any then-current cabinet members being convicted and imprisoned under Thatcher or Major.

:confused:

Mojo 27th June 2021 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13520399)
:confused:


Can you?

jimbob 27th June 2021 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13520402)
Can you?

Obviously not whilst he was a Cabinet minister, but Johnathan Aitkin springs to mind.

He was jailed for offences committed whilst he was a Cabinet minister

Darat 27th June 2021 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13520402)
Can you?

As far as I can recall there weren't any. But I'm still confused as to the relevance of your comment?

Mojo 27th June 2021 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13520406)
Obviously not whilst he was a Cabinet minister, but Johnathan Aitkin springs to mind.

He was jailed for offences committed whilst he was a Cabinet minister


Yes, but not while he was a current cabinet minister, and not until over two years after the fall of the Major government.

Darat 27th June 2021 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13520412)
Yes, but not while he was a current cabinet minister, and not until over two years after the fall of the Major government.

Ah I think I see; I wasn't saying they had been convicted whilst ministers, but I can see how my wording was a tad ambiguous.

Mojo 27th June 2021 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13520411)
As far as I can recall there weren't any. But I'm still confused as to the relevance of your comment?


We don’t yet have the data to say that we’re currently doing better.

Vixen 27th June 2021 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13520392)
Exactly.

What organisation filmed it? Was it legal? Why were they filming it? How did it get to News Corp*. What other Cabinet offices are being filmed? What organisations have access to the footage? What other footage is there and who is sitting on it? If a media organisation has such footage, how many foreign intelligence services have similar footage for the Foreign Office and MOD for example?





*Known, of course, to have links to the institutionally-corrupt wing of the Met.

More to the point: the press get 'tip-offs' everyday with sordid details of XY or Z doing this that or the other, or covert papparazzi shots and videos. Nine out of ten are likely rejected as intruding on people's privacy or being of dubious source (however, who recalls that story of Daniella Westbrook seen on a 252 bus in Holloway with a fluffy white dog, chatting to a friend? We all knew it was to mock her nose, or lack thereof). So Hancock's snog took place 6 May 2021, supposedly and probably leaked by an employee. Why did Murdoch's SUN sit on it all this time? It was probably released to feed the public's interest in all things prurient and salacious - especially when it is a family-values-loving Tory - but justified as a prudish, 'in the public interest' as he's telling us to keep a distance and, um, it could have been a bomb, or Russian or Chinese agents...

Mojo 27th June 2021 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13520434)
Nine out of ten are likely rejected as intruding on people's privacy or being of dubious source (however, who recalls that story of Daniella Westbrook seen on a 252 bus in Holloway with a fluffy white dog, chatting to a friend? We all knew it was to mock her nose, or lack thereof).


More likely to mock the bus driver for getting completely lost on his way from Romford to Hornchurch.

jimbob 27th June 2021 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13520434)
More to the point: the press get 'tip-offs' everyday with sordid details of XY or Z doing this that or the other, or covert papparazzi shots and videos. Nine out of ten are likely rejected as intruding on people's privacy or being of dubious source (however, who recalls that story of Daniella Westbrook seen on a 252 bus in Holloway with a fluffy white dog, chatting to a friend? We all knew it was to mock her nose, or lack thereof). So Hancock's snog took place 6 May 2021, supposedly and probably leaked by an employee. Why did Murdoch's SUN sit on it all this time? It was probably released to feed the public's interest in all things prurient and salacious - especially when it is a family-values-loving Tory - but justified as a prudish, 'in the public interest' as he's telling us to keep a distance and, um, it could have been a bomb, or Russian or Chinese agents...

I disagree. What News Corp did with this film footage is not that interesting. How they got hold of it is. And I am not sure why you're (again) mentioning salacious details in a prudish manner. One could have said that the Profumo affair involved salacious details.

Are you really more concerned with what News Corp did compared to the fact that there was covert filming of a Cabinet minister's office (so some of the most sensitive government areas, and that this was filming by an as yet unknown organisation that leaked to a media group with known links to corrupt police officers?


What other Cabinet ministers' officers are bugged by this organisation? When did the PM know about this bugging? Who else has access to this footage? What other organisations are doing similar?

KDLarsen 27th June 2021 07:24 AM

I wouldn't at all be surprised if Cummings was somehow involved. He's been attacking Hancock pretty heavily of late, and since him releasing damaging texts and messages has produced no result, he stepped it up a bit.

Then again, he evidently hates the civil service with a passion, so I it's hard to imagine him having an inside source who could leak such a tape to him.

GlennB 27th June 2021 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13520463)
Are you really more concerned with what News Corp did compared to the fact that there was covert filming of a Cabinet minister's office (so some of the most sensitive government areas, and that this was filming by an as yet unknown organisation that leaked to a media group with known links to corrupt police officers?

What other Cabinet ministers' officers are bugged by this organisation? When did the PM know about this bugging? Who else has access to this footage? What other organisations are doing similar?

Has it been suggested that this was a covert recording rather than from a routine security camera?

Vixen 27th June 2021 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13520452)
More likely to mock the bus driver for getting completely lost on his way from Romford to Hornchurch.

Whoops! Correction: 253. Long time since I was in London.

Vixen 27th June 2021 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13520463)
I disagree. What News Corp did with this film footage is not that interesting. How they got hold of it is. And I am not sure why you're (again) mentioning salacious details in a prudish manner. One could have said that the Profumo affair involved salacious details.

Are you really more concerned with what News Corp did compared to the fact that there was covert filming of a Cabinet minister's office (so some of the most sensitive government areas, and that this was filming by an as yet unknown organisation that leaked to a media group with known links to corrupt police officers?


What other Cabinet ministers' officers are bugged by this organisation? When did the PM know about this bugging? Who else has access to this footage? What other organisations are doing similar?

Journalism is a traditional cover for intelligence work. I expect News International ran it past the security services before running the story. Sounds like they are satisfied it was a member of staff wanting to catch the pair out. Seems they have taken a video via a smart phone, rather than from the original link, to obscure being traced back.

Darat 27th June 2021 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13520516)
Journalism is a traditional cover for intelligence work. I expect News International ran it past the security services before running the story. Sounds like they are satisfied it was a member of staff wanting to catch the pair out. Seems they have taken a video via a smart phone, rather than from the original link, to obscure being traced back.


:lolsign:

:bunpan

:dl:

Darat 27th June 2021 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13520463)
I disagree. What News Corp did with this film footage is not that interesting. How they got hold of it is. And I am not sure why you're (again) mentioning salacious details in a prudish manner. One could have said that the Profumo affair involved salacious details.

Are you really more concerned with what News Corp did compared to the fact that there was covert filming of a Cabinet minister's office (so some of the most sensitive government areas, and that this was filming by an as yet unknown organisation that leaked to a media group with known links to corrupt police officers?


What other Cabinet ministers' officers are bugged by this organisation? When did the PM know about this bugging? Who else has access to this footage? What other organisations are doing similar?

Hey if you can't trust one of our largest "news" media groups who can you trust - there is no way News Corp would do anything dodgy!

quadraginta 27th June 2021 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi (Post 13519800)
"Lovers" implies she did a bit more than "pretend" to be attracted to Hancock


Oh, you sweet, innocent child.

;)

quadraginta 27th June 2021 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13520387)
Brandon Lewis put out by the Tories to spin the yarn on Marr and Sky says that In resigning, Matt Hancock has “put his family first”

He literally left his wife and children to shack up with his aide!


Extended family?

Vixen 27th June 2021 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13520518)
:lolsign:

:bunpan

:dl:

Glad to have caused you hilarity. So what is your theory as to why the SUN sat on the story for seven weeks? How come it hasn't published the contents of the TOP CLASSIFIED Royal Navy dossier found at a bus stop, seeing as it has no scruples? That should tell you it checked its sources.

Vixen 27th June 2021 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13520532)
Extended family?

Hancock is slimier than the slimiest slug. Not only did he fail to offer his resignation immediately, he failed to return to his wife and family on his hands and knees begging for forgiveness. Instead, Hancock has defiantly tried to brazen it out. Ew, he is even worse than I thought. Before, I thought he was trying his best and lying through his teeth to motivate the country, rather than admit he didn't achieve what he claimed what he said he would achieve, now I cannot see anything redeemable about this man.

Captain_Swoop 27th June 2021 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13520548)
How come it hasn't published the contents of the TOP CLASSIFIED Royal Navy dossier found at a bus stop, seeing as it has no scruples? That should tell you it checked its sources.

Well, maybe because the BBC have the 'dossier' and not the Sun.

Filippo Lippi 27th June 2021 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13520530)
Oh, you sweet, innocent child.

;)

Not me, but the BBC are still describing this as being about a kiss

Darat 27th June 2021 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13520548)
Glad to have caused you hilarity. So what is your theory as to why the SUN sat on the story for seven weeks? How come it hasn't published the contents of the TOP CLASSIFIED Royal Navy dossier found at a bus stop, seeing as it has no scruples? That should tell you it checked its sources.

Please, please don't make my sides hurt so much!

:lolsign:

:bunpan

:dl: :dl:

Darat 27th June 2021 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13520555)
Hancock is slimier than the slimiest slug. Not only did he fail to offer his resignation immediately, he failed to return to his wife and family on his hands and knees begging for forgiveness. ...snip...

How on earth do you even claim to know this?

jimbob 27th June 2021 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13520510)
Has it been suggested that this was a covert recording rather than from a routine security camera?

The claim is that it was filmed in his office. How many offices, especially of the chief of an organisation have routine CCTV coverage?

It's not just me asking this:

https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/st...812490240?s=20

Quote:

Rory Stewart
@RoryStewartUK
Replying to
@Peston
I definitely did not know that there were cameras in any of my ministerial offices (in fact I was told - when I asked if there were any cameras - that there were NOT cameras in my office in DfiD)

P.J. Denyer 27th June 2021 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13520591)
How on earth do you even claim to know this?

The story out there is that he left his wife shortly before the story broke. She btw has long covid after being infected by Hancock. It's not quite cancer, but Matt has to be a strong contender for "The Boris Johnson Husband of the Year Award".

P.J. Denyer 27th June 2021 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13520625)
The claim is that it was filmed in his office. How many offices, especially of the chief of an organisation have routine CCTV coverage?

It's not just me asking this:

https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/st...812490240?s=20

Under any other government this would be a major concern, but when you have Johnson (security services didn't want to brief due to concerns when he was foreign secretary), Patel (forced to resign after holding secret meetings with a foreign government and lying to the PM) and Williamson (fired for breaching cabinet confidentiality), I find it much harder to care.

Captain_Swoop 27th June 2021 11:15 AM

If there’s public money to be shovelled to your friends, Javid’s the man.

P.J. Denyer 27th June 2021 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13520662)
If there’s public money to be shovelled to your friends, Javid’s the man.

It, sadly, seems to be the one talent this entire government seems to possess in abundance.

Lothian 27th June 2021 11:45 AM

I don't think we need to worry about the video. It was probably the Russians. Boris gave them access as a reward for fixing the referendum and elections

zooterkin 27th June 2021 02:11 PM

The suspicion I read earlier today was that the leak was from an anti-lockdown Tory who wanted Hancock gone.

jimbob 28th June 2021 05:37 AM

Meanwhile, living up to its GBeebies moniker - Andrew Neil's flagship show on it now has 20% of the viewers of Welsh-language Paw Patrol

https://nation.cymru/news/gb-news-tr...ge-paw-patrol/

Darat 28th June 2021 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13521273)
Meanwhile, living up to its GBeebies moniker - Andrew Neil's flagship show on it now has 20% of the viewers of Welsh-language Paw Patrol

https://nation.cymru/news/gb-news-tr...ge-paw-patrol/

Good to see serious social commentary is winning the competition for viewers!


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