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Carrot Flower King 27th October 2021 10:09 AM

Looks like Sunak is trying to do a whole lot of buying of paddles there, mebbe a bit of patching of the canoe, but the canoe remains exactly in the same creek it was before.

sphenisc 27th October 2021 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13640450)
The Chancellor, Rishi Sunak, has announced a new Beatles museum for Liverpool in his Budget.

I thought they already had one?

It's like the nurses. Retaining the current one counts as a new one.

Captain_Swoop 27th October 2021 12:26 PM

I bet all the struggling families using food banks can’t ******* wait for it.

Captain_Swoop 28th October 2021 12:41 AM

Scottish Water which is publicly owned, has invested nearly 35% more per household in infrastructure since 2002 than the privatised English water companies. It charges users 14% less and does not pay dividends and has only a fraction of untreated waste discharges

The Don 28th October 2021 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13641226)
Scottish Water which is publicly owned, has invested nearly 35% more per household in infrastructure since 2002 than the privatised English water companies. It charges users 14% less and does not pay dividends and has only a fraction of untreated waste discharges

Which goes to demonstrate how badly Scottish Water has failed, the venture capitalists, fund managers, millionaires and hedge fund managers haven't made a single penny.

I bet that Scottish Water's board are criminally underpaid as well.....

....checks.....

Chief Exec is paid about a third of what the CEO of Thames Water is paid.

Shareholders aren't making any money, directors aren't making as much money, clearly the business is failing the most important stakeholders.

Darat 28th October 2021 05:18 AM

Highest taxes in decades - just as the Tories promised!

Vixen 28th October 2021 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13637701)
Facebook

The Lefties are getting there nickers in a twist about human faeces in the rivers. Itís always been done!!!

We bathed in raw diarrhoea when we were kids and did us no harm etc.

Heh, reminds me when I holidayed in St Mary's Bay/Dymchurch as a young kid - rows and rows of old army barracks were used as accommodation for parties of school children - we'd be stopped from swimming because of 'effluence', which I understood to be something horrible.

Brexit is certainly a return to rosy(?) nostalgia. Things ain't are what they used to be.

Filippo Lippi 28th October 2021 06:57 AM

I have come to realise that shareholder return is only a "nice to have" in big business, the prime driver is maximising executive income

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Carrot Flower King 28th October 2021 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13641349)
Highest taxes in decades - just as the Tories promised!

Yeahbut these are Tory taxes and so automatically better than and different from Labour taxes, which are A Bad Thing.

Hlafordlaes 28th October 2021 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi (Post 13641421)
I have come to realise that shareholder return is only a "nice to have" in big business, the prime driver is maximising executive income

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

Can't remember all the names of the CEO merry-go-round at HP some years ago, but the packages some of the losers got, along with next assignments, made it clear that the number one priority in some quarters is taking care of 1% club members.

Captain_Swoop 28th October 2021 11:18 AM

Changing the reduction in Universal Credit payment for part time workers is being called a tax cut for those on the lowest wages.

LondonJohn 28th October 2021 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13641349)
Highest taxes in decades - just as the Tories promised!


Perhaps a salient factor here might be the (extraordinarily expensive) pandemic and lockdown measured that the country's been through over the past 20-odd months.

I just have a gut feeling that this might be relevant to the rationale underpinning tax increases.......

Captain_Swoop 28th October 2021 03:41 PM

3p off the price of a pint when a pint was £1 would be significant. 3p off the price of a pint that is already £4-£8 is a fart in the wind compared to just how much poorer the Tories have deliberately made us.

Captain_Swoop 29th October 2021 03:28 AM

To be fair, most people don't go to the beach to actually swim, they just go through the motions.

Hlafordlaes 29th October 2021 03:55 AM

Brexit is like watching someone bleed out. Highly discomfitting! I wish someone would wave a magic wand and reverse what appears to be the effects of an undetected, highly destructive Zika-like pandemic prior to the 2016 Brexit vote and Trump election.

Darat 29th October 2021 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LondonJohn (Post 13642022)
Perhaps a salient factor here might be the (extraordinarily expensive) pandemic and lockdown measured that the country's been through over the past 20-odd months.

I just have a gut feeling that this might be relevant to the rationale underpinning tax increases.......

The current lot made it quite clear that you can't hide behind external factors, remember these are the shower that pinned the financial meltdown on Labour.

Darat 29th October 2021 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes (Post 13642410)
Brexit is like watching someone bleed out. Highly discomfitting! I wish someone would wave a magic wand and reverse what appears to be the effects of an undetected, highly destructive Zika-like pandemic prior to the 2016 Brexit vote and Trump election.

I've described it as a death by a thousand cuts, I was being optimistic, it's a death by 10,000 cuts.

Mr Fied 29th October 2021 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LondonJohn (Post 13642022)
Perhaps a salient factor here might be the (extraordinarily expensive) pandemic and lockdown measured that the country's been through over the past 20-odd months.

I just have a gut feeling that this might be relevant to the rationale underpinning tax increases.......

Perhaps other factors are involved.

https://www.independent.co.uk/busine...-b1946730.html

Jack by the hedge 29th October 2021 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13642063)
3p off the price of a pint when a pint was £1 would be significant. 3p off the price of a pint that is already £4-£8 is a fart in the wind compared to just how much poorer the Tories have deliberately made us.

It's a tiny shift in favour of pubs rather than home drinking as the duty cut applies to beer sold in 40+ litre containers. It helps a £4 pub pint inch a few pence closer to supermarket bottles and cans at less than half the price.

OTOH, it's free money for the big brewers who shift lots of their mass produced beer in 9 gallon kegs or larger but a competitive setback for small craft brewers who sell very little in large kegs.

The Don 29th October 2021 06:15 AM

I'm pretty sure that Betteridge's Law applies here:

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COP26: Has Boris Johnson got what it takes to get a deal?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59084086

Remember Boris Johnson can't even seem to get a deal (or at least stick to one) when one exists already.

Captain_Swoop 29th October 2021 07:48 AM

I distinctly remember Boris standing on the steps of Downing Street and promising that we would soon have the highest taxes since the War and be swimming in our own ****.

Carrot Flower King 29th October 2021 08:03 AM

Well, what surprise! No one looked at Lex Greensill getting guubmint work, just after he stopped (officially at least) being Call Me's advisor, to see if there might be even a hint of a smigeon of a tad of a conflict of interest - https://www.theguardian.com/business...-contracts-nao - Spoiler Alert: Of course there were sodding COIs, why else was no one looking?

Carrot Flower King 29th October 2021 08:06 AM

Meanwhile, in other news, the DHSC is not complying with FOI requests about Owen Paterson and his non-lobbying for the company that just happened to have bunged him loads of cash for not doing anything - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...terson-meeting.

Spoiler Alert: If they aren't releasing things after all this time there is something they don't want out there, 'cos if they have information showing Paterson did no wrong The Guardian would have had it by return of post.

Captain_Swoop 30th October 2021 07:43 AM

Who knew it? Turns out filling our rivers and beaches with gallons and gallons of human **** is actually really popular.

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 39% (+2)
LAB: 33% (-)
GRN: 10% (-)
LDEM: 8% (-1)
REFUK: 3% (-1)

via @YouGov, 27 - 28 Oct
Chgs. w/ 21 Oct

Carrot Flower King 30th October 2021 11:31 AM

Sigh...Nice to see the The Great British Public are really bothered about The Important Issues of the Day - https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...code-tim-davie - because What Really Matters is Wearing Ties and Not Wearing Jeans...FFS!

These are the sort of wankers that insisted that I had to wear ties at work years ago, including the one some ****** tried to strangle me with (and don't even bother with mentioning clip-ons) and that if you wear a suit you are Automatically Better At Everything And Obviously Superior. Wankers all.

Carrot Flower King 30th October 2021 11:39 AM

On a related note: Carrot Flower Queen just reminded me of a complaint made about an on-call consultant in Newcastle, who was called in, dashed in, still wearing shorts and a T-shirt, saved yer man's life in double quick time...Relatives complained that he wasn't wearing a collar and tie...

Really some folk need to have a long, hard look at themselves and then give themselves a good talking to and then shut the **** up.

Worm 30th October 2021 12:44 PM

The last person who tried to make we wear a tie to work ended up moving to a remote Scottish island. Coincidence?

P.J. Denyer 31st October 2021 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13639521)
Langstone Harbour is an SSSI & nature reserve. It's also almost entirely enclosed by Portsea Island and Hayling Island, as the map attached shows you. This sewage, therefore, is not going to disperse easily.


I grew up (for a certain value of grew up of course) in Emsworth & spent a lot of my childhood swimming in those waters. We scattered my Mother's ashes on the foreshore along there. Not a pleasant thought.

gypsyjackson 31st October 2021 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13644245)
I grew up (for a certain value of grew up of course) in Emsworth & spent a lot of my childhood swimming in those waters. We scattered my Mother's ashes on the foreshore along there. Not a pleasant thought.

Yeah, thatís an interesting one. We also scattered our motherís ashes at her favourite beauty spot, thus just slightly de-beautifying it. Hopefully less so than raw sewage, though. Also in Wales, so hopefully the Welsh Government wonít bring in same rules.

Captain_Swoop 1st November 2021 09:48 AM

MP who sexually harassed member of his staff reinstated to Conservative Party

An MP who sexually harassed a member of his staff will have his Conservative Party membership reinstated on Monday.
Rob Roberts, the MP for Delyn, began a 12-week suspension from the party on 9 August, and was also suspended from Parliament for six weeks in May.
But come Monday, he will become a member of the party again.

However, the Tory whip - which would make him a Conservative MP in the Commons - will remained suspended, so he will continue as an independent MP.
When his 12-weeks party suspension was announced, his former employee told the BBC it was "disconcerting" that someone who caused "so much concern amongst younger members of the party should be allowed to continue their membership".

MP Rob Roberts told staffer to be 'less alluring'
Earlier this year, an independent panel found Mr Roberts sexually harassed a member of his staff.
The former employee told the BBC the MP had repeatedly propositioned him and asked him to be "less alluring".

Mr Roberts said he apologised for a "completely improper" breach of trust "in the MP-staff relationship".
But because of a legal loophole, he did not face a recall petition - which can lead to a by-election - as he was suspended by an independent panel rather than a parliamentary committee.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59088563

Darat 1st November 2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13644755)
...snip...

Mr Roberts said he apologised for a "completely improper" breach of trust "in the MP-staff relationship".
But because of a legal loophole, he did not face a recall petition - which can lead to a by-election - as he was suspended by an independent panel rather than a parliamentary committee.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59088563

Translation - "how dare they make an accusation and not allow it to be swept under the carpet"

gypsyjackson 1st November 2021 06:57 PM

It looks like the Tories didn’t suspend him for harassing a female member of staff, but did for his harassing a male member of staff. Hopefully the difference is due to it by then being a repeated offence.

Captain_Swoop 2nd November 2021 03:13 AM

Rishi Sunak sent a message to Rachel Reeves on Twitter asking why she hadn’t welcomed his £20million investment in her constituency!
Only thing is as the local paper points out - it’s not in her constituency but in the Tory one next door!

The Don 2nd November 2021 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13645347)
Rishi Sunak sent a message to Rachel Reeves on Twitter asking why she hadnít welcomed his £20million investment in her constituency!
Only thing is as the local paper points out - itís not in her constituency but in the Tory one next door!

...and even then:

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But as Reeves pointed out, the money was actually for next-door Pudsey, a Tory seat.

Yet even in Pudsey last week, where the money will be spent on upgrading a main road, there was little support for Sunakís supposed largesse, given that it comes after a decade of underinvestment.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-20m-largesse

I suppose from a Westminster perspective, it's all Up North so it's all the same and it's all grim. :rolleyes:

Carrot Flower King 2nd November 2021 04:36 AM

Does Sunak actually think he's MP for Richmond near That There London rather than the market town in Swaledale?

But then, isn't he one of the ones who think Scotland starts at Hadrian's Wall (y'know around 30 miles south of where I live)?

Darat 2nd November 2021 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13645388)
Does Sunak actually think he's MP for Richmond near That There London rather than the market town in Swaledale?

But then, isn't he one of the ones who think Scotland starts at Hadrian's Wall (y'know around 30 miles south of where I live)?

When you have many homes it's rather difficult to remember where you are day to day!

Captain_Swoop 3rd November 2021 03:21 AM

don’t like your mates being punished for breaking lobbying rules? propose a ridiculous replacement system on the same day a Tory MP is due to be suspended

Captain_Swoop 3rd November 2021 03:35 AM

Don't like the treaty you just signed?
Break it.

Don't like the a corrupt MP has been found by independent committee to be corrupt?
Break the independent committee".

Don't like parliament?
Break Parliament by unlawfully proroguing it.

Am I starting to see a pattern here?

The Don 3rd November 2021 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13646267)
Don't like the treaty you just signed?

"Break it".

Dont like the a corrupt MP has been found by independent committee to be corrupt?

"Break the independent committee".

Dont like parliament?

"Break Parliament by unlawfully proroguing it".

Am I starting to see a pattern here?

When there are no personal consequences for breaking the rules, why would any respectable right-winger ever bother to adhere to them ?

Even if there are consequences for their actions - like if the EU act against the UK - those consequences fall on other people rather than the Prime Minister.

KDLarsen 3rd November 2021 06:37 AM

As with so much else, the whole Paterson saga is gaslighting in extremis. As I'm typing, Johnson is at PMQ's, making a number of false claims (there's a certain level of irony in the fact that Johnson is permitted to openly lie to the House, but any attempt to call him out on this by a member of the opposition will be rebuked as a breach of rules...), such as claiming that Paterson was denied 'natural justice' and a right of appeal, which has been strongly denied by the chair of the standards committee.

Then again, as noted by commentators on social media, it speaks volumes that of the 59 signatories to the amendment to get Paterson off the hook, 6 have had allegations upheld against them by the standards commissioner in the past year. And they're also holding second jobs worth more than a million £...

And as the FT's political columnist Robert Shrimsley noted:
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Tories could have opted to cut Paterson's penalty, which would have been bad enough. Instead they have concluded that an independent system which finds against their chum is too independent


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