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Captain_Swoop 12th January 2022 01:16 AM

It only needs one person to not get rid of everything though.

The Don 12th January 2022 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13701581)
It only needs one person to not get rid of everything though.

...and to come forward with it to the investigation (as opposed to hanging onto it for a tell all book once Boris Johnson is out of office)...

...and to have it allowed to be used by the investigation (as opposed to having the contents suppressed for national security reasons)...

...and to have it accepted by the investigation as being within its remit - after all it may only consider "Claimed parties in the time period x to y" when this is a confirmed party and/or is in time period z...

Plenty of opportunity for a sufficiently motivated investigation leader to have it swept under the carpet.

The Don 12th January 2022 01:43 AM

Tweet from friend of the Conservative Party and BBC Political Correspondent Laura Kuenssberg

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Big sigh of relief for Labour - Keir Starmer will be able to leave isolation and do PMQs himself
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status...%2Fuk-59958872

Personally, I think Angela Rayner has done a decent job over the last few days of pressuring Boris Johnson and wouldn't have minded one bit if she had participated in PMQs.

The Don 12th January 2022 02:35 AM

Conservative MPs making it very clear IMO that they're still cutting Boris Johnson plenty of slack....

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That is a clear message to Boris Johnson: if he was there, and knew that an event had be planned, he'd have to go.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-5...ost_type=share

Plenty of "ifs" there to give him plausible deniability...

He was there but supposed that it was an impromptu thing (for which various tables happened to be found) - that's fine

He knew it was planned but didn't actually attend - that's fine

He knew it was planned and just happened to be in his own back garden at the time - that's fine (though of course he actually lives at number 11)

I'm sure that the majority of Conservative MPs will find a way to convince themselves that what Boris Johnson did was absolutely fine. :mad:

Wudang 12th January 2022 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13701237)
No confirmation that she attended but was only invited.

However this would seem, at the very least, strange to ask someone who was an invitee herself to investigate whether a party existed.

It also begs the question that if she was aware of an apparent breach of the law why did she not report it?

Carrot Flower King 12th January 2022 03:34 AM

When is the assessment of BlowJob under the Mental Capacity Act to be carried out?

He cleary has severe problems with his short and medium term memory, probably long term also; he has displayed numerous other cognitive deficits (word finding on a daily basis, highlighted by that awful speech to the CBI at Port of Tyne; issues with numeracy, as shown by not being able to count how many children he has nor understanding that remuneration of around £300k is not chicken feed; confabulation on a daily basis; other language problems, as he randomly inserts words and phrases in some other tongue which have dubious relevance); his self-care, as shown by his mode of dress and inability to do his hair, is poor; physical coordination problems.

The man comes over as a neurological mess.

Captain_Swoop 12th January 2022 03:50 AM

Rishi Sunak will miss PMQs he's suddenly in Ilfracombe. Significant.

The Don 12th January 2022 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13701630)
Rishi Sunak will miss PMQs he's suddenly in Ilfracombe. Significant.

I'm half-expecting Boris Johnson to miss PMQs either because he's got to do something important w.r.t. the UK's "World-leading vaccine rollout" and/or he's got a bit of a poorly tummy so nanny has excused him.:rolleyes:

Darat 12th January 2022 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13701637)
I'm half-expecting Boris Johnson to miss PMQs either because he's got to do something important w.r.t. the UK's "World-leading vaccine rollout" and/or he's got a bit of a poorly tummy so nanny has excused him.:rolleyes:

Tested positive....

Vixen 12th January 2022 05:17 AM

Quote of the Day:

"Prime Minister, the party is over'. ~ Keir Starmer

Darat 12th January 2022 05:23 AM

Well that is one excuse I didn't expect.

I attended but didn't know it was a party.

I'd add a jaw-dropping smilie but it seems to have been worn out.

Nessie 12th January 2022 05:36 AM

I wish the PM had told everyone else it was OK to have work parties. Boy, could we have done with a party at my work.

Nessie 12th January 2022 05:40 AM

The Government's VIP lane for awarding covid contracts has been ruled illegal.

https://actions.goodlawproject.org/p...social%20media

The wheels have well and truly come off the Tory grave train, where mates get to party and massive contracts.

The Don 12th January 2022 06:03 AM

Apparently Boris Johnson's apology is heartfelt.

Well if that isn't a blatant lie, I don't know what is. The apology was reluctant, and forced and Boris Johnson doesn't think he should have had to give it because he did nothing wrong.

The Don 12th January 2022 06:10 AM

Here is Boris Johnson's apology - a litany of lies :mad:

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Mr Speaker, I want to apologise. I know that millions of people across this country have made extraordinary sacrifices over the last 18 months. I know the anguish that they have been through - unable to mourn their relatives, unable to live their lives as they want or do the things they love. And I know the rage they feel with me and with the government I lead, when they think that in Downing Street itself the rules are not being properly followed by the people who make the rules."
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And though I cannot anticipate the conclusions of the current inquiry I have learned enough to know there were things we simply did not get right and I must take responsibility. Number 10 is a big department with the garden as an extension of the office - which has been in constant use because of the role of fresh air in stopping the virus. And when I went into that garden just after six on the 20th of May 2020, to thank groups of staff before going back into my office 25 minutes later to continue working, I believed implicitly that this was a work event."
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But, Mr Speaker, with hindsight I should have sent everyone back inside, I should have found some other way to thank them and I should have recognised that even if it could be said technically to fall within the guidance, there would be millions and millions of people who simply would not see it that way. People who suffered terribly - people who were forbidden from meeting loved ones at all, inside or outside. And to them and to this house I offer my heartfelt apologies. And all I ask is that Sue Gray be allowed to complete her inquiry into that day and several others so that the full facts can be established."

Vixen 12th January 2022 06:32 AM

The high point for me that summed it up, was Keir Starmer doing a theatrical face palm.

zooterkin 12th January 2022 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13701700)
Apparently Boris Johnson's apology is heartfelt.

Well if that isn't a blatant lie, I don't know what is. The apology was reluctant, and forced and Boris Johnson doesn't think he should have had to give it because he did nothing wrong.

If Boris is saying it, I assume it’s a lie.

Darat 12th January 2022 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13701689)
The Government's VIP lane for awarding covid contracts has been ruled illegal.

https://actions.goodlawproject.org/p...social%20media

The wheels have well and truly come off the Tory grave train, where mates get to party and massive contracts.

Won't see one further action - the money has gone.

Captain_Swoop 12th January 2022 06:47 AM

As for the impossible position Sue Gray is now in, perhaps that’s the point?

Does she have to accept the PM’s “implicit” belief in a work event was genuine?
If so, then what?

Darat 12th January 2022 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13701704)
Here is Boris Johnson's apology - a litany of lies :mad:

"there would be millions and millions of people who simply would not see it that way"

I've already heard a "The other lot will have been doing it"!

The country seems to have come to terms being led by a thick, lying bastard, we've shrugged our shoulders and in effect said, "what can we do?".

Darat 12th January 2022 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13701725)
As for the impossible position Sue Gray is now in, perhaps that’s the point?

Does she have to accept the PM’s “implicit” belief in a work event was genuine?
If so, then what?

And what is she now meant to be "investigating"?

We already know that the ministerial code does not apply to any of this governments' ministers.

Captain_Swoop 12th January 2022 06:52 AM

“The code is more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual rules"

P.J. Denyer 12th January 2022 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13701689)
The Government's VIP lane for awarding covid contracts has been ruled illegal.

https://actions.goodlawproject.org/p...social%20media

The wheels have well and truly come off the Tory grave train, where mates get to party and massive contracts.

Some people think this government is a moral vacuum, but given how many contracts they've given to donors they're actually a moral Dyson.

P.J. Denyer 12th January 2022 08:24 AM

That Boris Johnson apology in full-:

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When I find out who's been leaking this they're going to be sorry!

Captain_Swoop 12th January 2022 08:54 AM

I don’t want all the anger around Boris to stop us hating Cameron as much as he deserves

Wudang 12th January 2022 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13701673)
Well that is one excuse I didn't expect.

I attended but didn't know it was a party.

I'd add a jaw-dropping smilie but it seems to have been worn out.

Not enough cocaine and hookers to constitute a party?

Carrot Flower King 12th January 2022 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13701704)
Here is Boris Johnson's apology - a litany of lies :mad:

We are still left with it is OK to consume alcohol and get pissed on work premises and work time (how else is it a work event?) in a way not allowed in the bulk of the public sector...

And he's talking about what people "think" happened! No, you useless, arrogant, lying ****** of a sodding dissembling twat, we KNOW what happened, as we've seen the sodding photos and know about the invitations to a ******* PARTY!

There is no "think" about it. Unless you are useless ******* of a lying Old Etonian, whose thought processes, or what passes for them, are stuck at Sixth Form debating society sophistry.

Hislop's old description of this charlatan as a stupid person's idea of a clever person is more accurate by the second.

Nessie 12th January 2022 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13701723)
Won't see one further action - the money has gone.

This time. But it will be harder for them to continue with a "VIP lane", which added to it getting harder to sell honours and trade party donations for favours, means the Tories have less to sell.

The Don 12th January 2022 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13701878)
We are still left with it is OK to consume alcohol and get pissed on work premises and work time (how else is it a work event?) in a way not allowed in the bulk of the public sector...

Well, the story as presented is that they had finished work for the day and popped out for some post-work decompression time but because they are so very dedicated, they were still doing work so, like Schrodinger's employment bureau they were simultaneously "at work" (so they could gather) and "not at work" (so they could drink). ;)

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13701878)
And he's talking about what people "think" happened! No, you useless, arrogant, lying ****** of a sodding dissembling twat, we KNOW what happened, as we've seen the sodding photos and know about the invitations to a ******* PARTY!

There is no "think" about it. Unless you are useless ******* of a lying Old Etonian, whose thought processes, or what passes for them, are stuck at Sixth Form debating society sophistry.

Hislop's old description of this charlatan as a stupid person's idea of a clever person is more accurate by the second.

He's hoping that if he repeats the lie often enough, some people will come to believe it - and history shows that he's right. :mad:

Carrot Flower King 12th January 2022 10:04 AM

Oh well, Chope thinks (well, it's Chope, so I use the term very, very loosely) that the apology is genuine enough, so that's all OK.

(For avoidance of doubt, my view is that Chope makes the term "useful idiot" an outright insult to all decent idiots out there.)

LondonJohn 12th January 2022 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13701670)
Quote of the Day:

"Prime Minister, the party is over'. ~ Keir Starmer


It might have been.... had it not already been the headline in this morning's Daily Mail.

Lothian 12th January 2022 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13701673)
Well that is one excuse I didn't expect.

I attended but didn't know it was a party.

I'd add a jaw-dropping smilie but it seems to have been worn out.

To be fair if you are the anchor in the boat race you are too busy watching the drinkers in front of you to notice whether others are having a party.

Captain_Swoop 12th January 2022 10:44 AM

Some ministers will back him to the hilt because the closest they would get to a cabinet under anyone else would be in Ikea.

Lothian 12th January 2022 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13701922)
Some ministers will back him to the hilt because the closest they would get to a cabinet under anyone else would be in Ikea.

Don't know about that, most of my cabinets have loose screws.

Wudang 12th January 2022 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13701929)
Don't know about that, most of my cabinets have loose screws.

And some dodgy knobs?

Nessie 12th January 2022 11:10 AM

That we now know that drinking at work is acceptable, I can't wait to get back to work.

Vixen 12th January 2022 11:18 AM

We have all heard of the Billy Bookcase. Now IKEA are bringing out a Boris Desk, which magically transforms into a drinks cabinet when the weather is lovely. It is cleverly designed to include a collapsable barbecue and has moulded trays which can embrace Kettle crisps, dips, salsa, vol au vents and cheeky little nibbles. There is a doggy rug for Dilyn that folds perfectly into the faux filing drawer and a nappy changing extension for Romy and Wilfrid. There is blotting paper available that matches the wallpaper and curtains and will soak up the booze ink. At the front of Boris Desk is a pop-up mirror so that one can see behind you in case Matty Hancock turns up or the reprobate Dom, so then you can operate the catapult that releases the stink bomb. It comes with an optional chaise longue for those occasions when Moggy needs to recline after a hard day erm, doing, ah, er...

Mojo 12th January 2022 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13701673)
Well that is one excuse I didn't expect.

I attended but didn't know it was a party.


Perhaps he saw people standing around chatting over drinks, and thought it was a meeting to arrange the next round of PPE contracts.

GlennB 12th January 2022 11:51 AM

I just plucked up the courage to watch highlights on the BBC. He was utterly humiliated, destroyed, and looked it. A beaten man.

The only question now, for my money, is when he goes. I'd wager it could easily be this winter.

The Don 12th January 2022 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13701996)
I just plucked up the courage to watch highlights on the BBC. He was utterly humiliated, destroyed, and looked it. A beaten man.

The only question now, for my money, is when he goes. I'd wager it could easily be this winter.

His sort bounce back easily, they don't dwell on things and have no conscience.

Edited to add....

He only looked beaten because it was the only way he could prevent himself from smirking.


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