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jimbob 23rd January 2022 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13710648)
Nusrat Ghani: I was sacked as a minister ‘because I was a Muslim’

A Conservative MP has accused a party whip of telling her she was fired from her ministerial job because her Muslim faith was “making colleagues uncomfortable”.

Nusrat Ghani, 49, was sacked as a transport minister in a mini-reshuffle in February 2020. She claimed she was told by a whip that her “Muslimness was raised as an issue” at a meeting in Downing Street and that her “Muslim woman minister status was making colleagues feel uncomfortable”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...slim-p38lmvlvg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13710714)
Govt source says the accusation made by Nus Ghani that she was told by a whip that she was sacked as a minister because she was a Muslim is "categorically untrue"

A spokesperson on behalf of the Whips Office said:
“These claims are categorically untrue. Ministerial roles are appointed on merit and rewards for hard work. The Conservative Party does not tolerate any form of racism or discrimination.”


Meanwhile in a beautiful deleted tweet thread.

https://www.politwoops.co.uk/p/conse...ampaign=repost

Quote:

To ensure other Whips are not drawn into this matter, I am identifying myself as the person Nusrat Ghani MP has made claims about this evening. ‘These accusations are completely false and I consider them to be defamatory. I have never used those words attributed to me.
ETA

He reinstated the thread after he realised that the media had spotted the implications of his admission

https://twitter.com/Mark_Spencer/sta...141806081?s=20

Lothian 23rd January 2022 03:41 AM

If he never used the words and the accusations are completely false, why does he think it is him and not another whip?

jimbob 23rd January 2022 04:00 AM

I know, to make it even better, a later tweet that he deleted then reinstated said.

Quote:

It is disappointing that when this issue was raised before Ms Ghani declined to refer the matter to the Conservative Party for a formal investigation.
I provided evidence to the Singh Investigation into Islamophobia which concluded that there was no credible basis for the claims
So we know that she didn't accuse him in any internal investigation

Lothian 23rd January 2022 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13710945)
I know, to make it even better, a later tweet that he deleted then reinstated said.



So we know that she didn't accuse him in any internal investigation

Ministerial sackings are not down to whips. That is the prime minister's job. If he doesn't take a dive for Boris he could lose school funding in his constituency.

P.J. Denyer 23rd January 2022 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13710931)
It is hard work promoting, supporting and defending the Tories, especially if you have a conscience.

I don't think that's been tested by anyone in the Cabinet.

P.J. Denyer 23rd January 2022 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13710950)
Ministerial sackings are not down to whips. That is the prime minister's job. If he doesn't take a dive for Boris he could lose school funding in his constituency.

And so far as I'm aware Johnson hasn't yet sacked anyone for breaking the rules, where people have gone it has been through resignation (more often than not the resignation of the person who investigated the rule breaking when their findings were ignored).

Darat 23rd January 2022 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13710941)
If he never used the words and the accusations are completely false, why does he think it is him and not another whip?

Did you miss the primer class on "politicians and weasel words".

He only said he didn't use those words i.e. "Muslimness was raised as an issue” and “Muslim woman minister status was making colleagues feel uncomfortable”.

He could have used any other words to say the same thing and he is "technically" telling the truth and as we know technically telling the truth is all that matters.

Lothian 23rd January 2022 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13710959)
Did you miss the primer class on "politicians and weasel words".

He only said he didn't use those words i.e. "Muslimness was raised as an issue” and “Muslim woman minister status was making colleagues feel uncomfortable”.

He could have used any other words to say the same thing and he is "technically" telling the truth and as we know technically telling the truth is all that matters.

He probably said. "Big dog is concerned you are going to turn up looking like a letterbox"

jimbob 23rd January 2022 04:34 AM

There was that too Darat, the second thing that sprang to mind.

Some beautiful replies to people screenshoting it.

https://twitter.com/PSincock/status/...111386624?s=20

Quote:

Replying to
@Peston
Don’t tell them your name Pike

https://twitter.com/ecomousey/status...971537923?s=20
Quote:

Beth
@ecomousey
·
12h
Replying to
@blinddrew
and
@Peston
Reminds me of once asking my reception class if anyone knew why a particular child was crying.
'I didn't hit her' came the indignant reply from 1 little lad.

P.J. Denyer 23rd January 2022 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13710960)
He probably said. "Big dog is concerned you are going to turn up looking like a letterbox"


I wonder if he's had the 'tank top' conversation with Gove yet?

jimbob 23rd January 2022 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13710967)
I wonder if he's had the 'tank top' conversation with Gove yet?

Good point, Gove must detest him. For multiple reasons.

Captain_Swoop 23rd January 2022 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13710931)
It is hard work promoting, supporting and defending the Tories, especially if you have a conscience.

Well, there's your problem!

Stee 23rd January 2022 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13710964)
There was that too Darat, the second thing that sprang to mind.

Some beautiful replies to people screenshoting it.

https://twitter.com/PSincock/status/...111386624?s=20




https://twitter.com/ecomousey/status...971537923?s=20

We didn’t burn him! (Bonus points for knowing where that’s from…)

That he’s felt the need to weigh in seems to suggest he may have said something he now regrets.

GlennB 23rd January 2022 05:30 AM

"Dominic Raab refuses to confirm full publication of Sue Gray partygate report

Deputy PM says it is for Boris Johnson to decide how much detail is released to the public"

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't ?

Mojo 23rd January 2022 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13710964)
There was that too Darat, the second thing that sprang to mind.

Some beautiful replies to people screenshoting it.

https://twitter.com/PSincock/status/...111386624?s=20

https://twitter.com/ecomousey/status...971537923?s=20


https://loweringthebar.net/case-law-...-united-states

jimbob 23rd January 2022 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13710984)
"Dominic Raab refuses to confirm full publication of Sue Gray partygate report

Deputy PM says it is for Boris Johnson to decide how much detail is released to the public"

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't ?

To be fair to Raab, by the time it's due out, we'll probably discover another 50 parties that she should include in her report.

Captain_Swoop 23rd January 2022 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stee (Post 13710983)
We didn’t burn him! (Bonus points for knowing where that’s from…)

League of Gentlemen.

Captain_Swoop 23rd January 2022 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13710984)
"Dominic Raab refuses to confirm full publication of Sue Gray partygate report

Deputy PM says it is for Boris Johnson to decide how much detail is released to the public"

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't ?

Well, he never released the Russia report so why are we expecting him to release this one?

GlennB 23rd January 2022 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13711011)
Well, he never released the Russia report so why are we expecting him to release this one?

Whatever route he takes there will be uproar. Is there even such a thing as a 'best' way for Johnson to handle this? And here I'm referring to reality, rather than the fevered imaginings that go on in his skull.

Mojo 23rd January 2022 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13711085)
Whatever route he takes there will be uproar. Is there even such a thing as a 'best' way for Johnson to handle this? And here I'm referring to reality, rather than the fevered imaginings that go on in his skull.


In the event of a discrepancy between the two, Boris will always go with the latter.

Captain_Swoop 23rd January 2022 02:51 PM

Rishi Sunak has tried to distance himself from the looming National Insurance tax hike after calling it the "the Prime Minister's tax".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...calling-prime/

The Don 24th January 2022 03:07 AM

Boris Johnson has now called for an internal investigation into Nusrat Ghani's claims that she was dismissed as a minister because of Muslimness.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60108377

Well that's a sure-fire way to make sure that the grisly details are never made public and a proper whitewash can be executed. :rolleyes:

Captain_Swoop 24th January 2022 03:34 AM

The police refused to investigate the parties but the investigation is interviewing the police.

Bizarre.

catsmate 24th January 2022 08:26 AM

Paul Keating (former Australian Prime Minister) described Liz Truss being "demented" wrt her comments on China; suggest she return to her "collapsing, disreputable government".
Also stated Britain "suffers delusions of grandeur and relevance deprivation"
Link.

ponderingturtle 24th January 2022 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13709663)
Here is a link to the most thorough treatment of Stalingrad I have seen.

It starts from 21st of July 1942 to the 2nd of February 1943 and covers the fighting on the Don leading up to the actual seige of the city.

31 videos so far taking it up to the 23rd of October 1942. They are all around 40 to 50 minutes long so around 22 hours so far.
Lots more to come

they are very good, his straight history vids are all good, his economics videos not so much.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...UtBP2pxYdCYiXX

I have been watching the world war two in real time weekly updates and it is just about the end for the germans in stalingrad right now.

The Don 24th January 2022 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13711826)
Paul Keating (former Australian Prime Minister) described Liz Truss being "demented" wrt her comments on China; suggest she return to her "collapsing, disreputable government".
Also stated Britain "suffers delusions of grandeur and relevance deprivation"
Link.

Hard to argue with his analysis of both Liz Truss and Britain's assessment of its own global relevance. :o

jimbob 24th January 2022 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 13711876)
I have been watching the world war two in real time weekly updates and it is just about the end for the germans in stalingrad right now.

I think someone linked to those from here. They are very good.

I liked this channel on the New Guinea campaign and especially Australian contributions.

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE


Strange to compare the numbers in this campaign and Stalingrad.

jimbob 24th January 2022 10:03 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...08e28a5d6940b7

Quote:

Treasury minister announces shock resignation in Lords in protest at government handling of fraudulent Covid business payments
Lord Agnew of Oulton has resigned his post as a minister based jointly in the Treasury and in the Cabinet Office in a surprise statement from the dispatch box in the House or Lords. He said he was quitting because of his disapproval of the government’s response to the problem of fraudulent Covid business payments. He told peers:

Given that I am the minister for counter fraud, it would be somewhat dishonest to stay on in that role if I am incapable of doing it properly.

It is for this reason that I have sadly decided to tender my resignation as a minister across the Treasury and Cabinet Office with immediate affect.

Last week the government admitted that it expected to write off more than £4bn in Covid payments that were claimed fraudulently.

Agnew received a rare round of applause in the Lords after he ended his statement.

Angela Smith, the Labour leader in the Lords, said:

I think we have just witnessed one of the most dramatic moments we have ever seen in the house from a minister who felt his integrity could no longer ensure he remained a member of the government.

Darat 24th January 2022 10:51 AM

Problem for the government is of course that they might end up convicting their mates if they decided to pursue these fraud cases.

I'd be happy to take the debt off the government's hands for £1 and take on the chasing up of the fraudulent claims myself.

Mr Fied 24th January 2022 11:33 AM

Oh FFS, Boris had a birthday party that broke the rules too.
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-24/...ws-understands

Just go man.

Mojo 24th January 2022 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Fied (Post 13712007)
Oh FFS, Boris had a birthday party that broke the rules too.
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-24/...ws-understands

Just go man.


But Boris can’t be expected to have realised that it was a party:
Quote:

At the afternoon event, Carrie Johnson and Lulu Lytle are believed to have presented the prime minister with a cake whilst his wife led staff in a chorus of happy birthday.

That happens at every Cabinet meeting, doesn’t it?

Mr Fied 24th January 2022 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13712011)
But Boris can’t be expected to have realised that it was a party:


That happens at every Cabinet meeting, doesn’t it?

Knowing this lot, most probably.

Captain_Swoop 24th January 2022 11:59 AM

Another one for Sue Gray. At this rate she'll never get round to writing the sodding report.

Maybe that's the plan.

Mojo 24th January 2022 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Fied (Post 13712022)
Knowing this lot, most probably.


I imagine Boris sulking if he doesn’t get a cake.

GlennB 24th January 2022 12:27 PM

It's OK. Nobody had told him it was his birthday.

The Don 24th January 2022 01:11 PM

There was also an evening do but according to Number 10, only close family was there.

The allegations are that it included friends.

I suspect Number 10 are lying.

Captain_Swoop 24th January 2022 01:16 PM

The only reason Boris would have only stayed 10 minutes at the party would have been if he’d had another party to go to.

Captain_Swoop 24th January 2022 01:16 PM

Nadine Dorries tweets
@NadineDorries
· 1h
So, when people in an office buy a cake in the middle of the afternoon for someone else they are working in the office with and stop for ten minutes to sing happy birthday and then go back to their desks, this is now called a party?

KDLarsen 24th January 2022 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13712150)
Nadine Dorries tweets
@NadineDorries
· 1h
So, when people in an office buy a cake in the middle of the afternoon for someone else they are working in the office with and stop for ten minutes to sing happy birthday and then go back to their desks, this is now called a party?

A pity the government's own twitter account was advising others, that this still wouldn't be permitted...

Captain_Swoop 24th January 2022 01:46 PM

You could celebrate your birthday with friends with cake if you’re at work in Downing St. But not at home, not if your business was closed, not if you’re The Queen and not of course, if you were dying alone in hospital.


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