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Archie Gemmill Goal 9th May 2021 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13474836)
The real problems for Scotland might start after indpendence. long, Sad history of the party that headed the indepdence movement thinking that gave them the right to eternally be the Party in Power. The COngress Party in India is a good example.

I'm not even sure the SNP would continue to exist post-independence (at least not in the same form) there do seem to be some fairly serious policy differences amongst the group held together by the overarching goal of independence.

I think you would see a shakeup in the parties following independence and it would probably be the best thing to ever happen to Labour. Part of the issue seems to be that the opposition parties are either so moribund (or in the case of the Tories having to cater to the nutjob element) that there really isn't much political talent and brain matter outside the SNP (and you could say the same about some in the SNP too!)

Archie Gemmill Goal 9th May 2021 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13474931)
He didn't say which wall. :) I vote for the Antonine.

As long as any line is drawn North of Hartlepool I'm OK with it really

sphenisc 9th May 2021 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13474931)
He didn't say which wall. :) I vote for the Antonine.

As a Scot I vote for Stonehenge.

Carrot Flower King 9th May 2021 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Architect (Post 13474912)
And the bits of England we get with it, assuming the poor geography of Daily Mail readers is reflected at Westminster.

Aaah yes, so Northumberland can be ignored from Holyrood instead of being ignored from Westminster...

Some days I think it might be a good idea for us, as a county, to ask Denmark if we can join them.

Archie Gemmill Goal 9th May 2021 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13474950)
Aaah yes, so Northumberland can be ignored from Holyrood instead of being ignored from Westminster...

I'd rather be ignored by a left of centre national government that Bojo's mob to be honest.

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Some days I think it might be a good idea for us, as a county, to ask Denmark if we can join them.
The problem with that is that all the OTHER people who caused the problems would come with you. The clever move would be to move to Denmark, but unfortunately the idiots who would never want to do such a thing took that right away from us.

Captain_Swoop 9th May 2021 06:16 AM

The UK needs to be laser-focused on recovery from the pandemic and not Scottish independence discussions, Michael Gove says

Former Conservative Secretary of State for Scotland, David Mundell, has been talking to Radio 4's The World This Weekend.

He says people want to see the governments within the UK working together and they don't want conflict.

Asked if the election results mean Scotland does not want to be governed by Boris Johnson, he says he does not accept that premise because people voted to stay in the union in a referendum in 2014.

He says it is not within the gift of the Scottish government to try to hold another independence referendum.

Captain_Swoop 9th May 2021 06:21 AM

The SNP's Jeane Freeman, who serves as the Scottish Cabinet Secretary for Health, has been talking to Radio 4.

She denies her party's failure to get a majority in the elections to the Scottish Parliament takes the shine off its victory.

Freeman says the electoral system is different in Scotland, so "the idea you can get a majority in a system designed not to do that is a big ask".

She says the SNP has a "moral authority based on those results" for the Scottish Parliament to decide if and when it wants to hold an independence referendum.

quadraginta 9th May 2021 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13474398)
Reform UK leader Richard Tice on Talk Radio says he is opening a pub with actor Laurence Fox.

"It will be the home of free speech and right-wing comedy. It'll only be British food, no vaccine passports, no masks".


I'm not sure exactly what that might consist of. Presumably nothing derived from the indigenous cuisines, herbs, and spices of the various British controlled territories over the past few centuries.

What does that leave? Overcooked roasts and veggies? Eel pies? Kippered herring?

Whatever it is it is bound to be boring.

Which, I suppose, is fitting. Somehow.

I'm not sure if tea can actually be considered British, since it was brought to Europe by Dutch traders and had never been seen in England before the middle of the 17th century.

angrysoba 9th May 2021 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13475038)
I'm not sure exactly what that might consist of. Presumably nothing derived from the indigenous cuisines, herbs, and spices of the various British controlled territories over the past few centuries.

What does that leave? Overcooked roasts and veggies? Eel pies? Kippered herring?

Whatever it is it is bound to be boring.

Which, I suppose, is fitting. Somehow.

I'm not sure if tea can actually be considered British, since it was brought to Europe by Dutch traders and had never been seen in England before the middle of the 17th century.

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It is commonly said, even by the English themselves, that English cooking is the worst in the world. It is supposed to be not merely incompetent, but also imitative, and I even read quite recently, in a book by a French writer, the remark: ‘The best English cooking is, of course, simply French cooking.’

Now that is simply not true, as anyone who has lived long abroad will know, there is a whole host of delicacies which it is quite impossible to obtain outside the English-speaking countries. No doubt the list could be added to, but here are some of the things that I myself have sought for in foreign countries and failed to find.

First of all, kippers, Yorkshire pudding, Devonshire cream, muffins and crumpets. Then a list of puddings that would be interminable if I gave it in full: I will pick out for special mention Christmas pudding, treacle tart and apple dumplings. Then an almost equally long list of cakes: for instance, dark plum cake (such as you used to get at Buzzard’s before the war), short-bread and saffron buns. Also innumerable kinds of biscuit, which exist, of course, elsewhere, but are generally admitted to be better and crisper in England.

Then there are the various ways of cooking potatoes that are peculiar to our own country. Where else do you see potatoes roasted under the joint, which is far and away the best way of cooking them? Or the delicious potato cakes that you get in the north of England? And it is far better to cook new potatoes in the English way — that is, boiled with mint and then served with a little melted butter or margarine — than to fry them as is done in most countries.

Then there are the various sauces peculiar to England. For instance, bread sauce, horse-radish sauce, mint sauce and apple sauce; not to mention redcurrant jelly, which is excellent with mutton as well as with hare, and various kinds of sweet pickle, which we seem to have in greater profusion than most countries.

What else? Outside these islands I have never seen a haggis, ...etc...
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Parsman 9th May 2021 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13474931)
He didn't say which wall. :) I vote for the Antonine.

That's not a wall, that's a trench!

Matthew Best 9th May 2021 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13475038)
I'm not sure exactly what that might consist of.

Chicken tikka masala.

Nessie 9th May 2021 10:32 AM

There has been a video on twitter of two Hartlepool voters explaining why they voted Conservative. They blamed Labour for the closure of a local police station and the loss of local hospital services to another larger hospital outside the constituency.

I get their unhappiness at the apparent failure of the local MP to save local services, but it is rather odd they have switched to voting for the party that closed those services.

It may help Labour to try and educate more people about how politics works.

*Found the video

https://twitter.com/resophonick/stat...88617449005058

Captain_Swoop 9th May 2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by angrysoba (Post 13475049)

potato? New World surely?

Captain_Swoop 9th May 2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Parsman (Post 13475083)
That's not a wall, that's a trench!

It used to be a wall.

Captain_Swoop 9th May 2021 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13475150)
There has been a video on twitter of two Hartlepool voters explaining why they voted Conservative. They blamed Labour for the closure of a local police station and the loss of local hospital services to another larger hospital outside the constituency.

I get their unhappiness at the apparent failure of the local MP to save local services, but it is rather odd they have switched to voting for the party that closed those services.

It may help Labour to try and educate more people about how politics works.

Talk Radio had one giving one of his reasons for voting Tory as under a Labor govt they only had one Food Bank and now they have Seven.

Carrot Flower King 9th May 2021 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13475150)
There has been a video on twitter of two Hartlepool voters explaining why they voted Conservative. They blamed Labour for the closure of a local police station and the loss of local hospital services to another larger hospital outside the constituency.

I get their unhappiness at the apparent failure of the local MP to save local services, but it is rather odd they have switched to voting for the party that closed those services.

It may help Labour to try and educate more people about how politics works.

Oh FFS!

I used to work into the Teesside acute hospitals in my job before I moved up here and that thing about moving services from Hartlepool General to James Cook in Middlesbrough has been going on since around the turn of the century.

HGH is a ******* pig's ear of a site and always has been. Ditto North Tees in Stockton and Middlesbrough General. James Cook is the only one on a site which allows for service expansion and modernisation without demolishing the existing buildings. Services at all sites expanded and improved under the last Labour governents and have been hacked since 2010: which is, of course, all Labour's fault, as they clearly control the DoH and the commissioners (the knowledge that most folk have about commissioning of health services is pretty much non-existent).

angrysoba 9th May 2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13475152)
potato? New World surely?

If we’re going that far back then presumably Italian cookery is not allowed tomato.

GlennB 9th May 2021 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13475155)
Talk Radio had one giving one of his reasons for voting Tory as under a Labor govt they only had one Food Bank and now they have Seven.

And the hospitals are so full! Not like under Labour!

Despair is fine at this point.

Captain_Swoop 9th May 2021 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13475215)
Oh FFS!

I used to work into the Teesside acute hospitals in my job before I moved up here and that thing about moving services from Hartlepool General to James Cook in Middlesbrough has been going on since around the turn of the century.

HGH is a ******* pig's ear of a site and always has been. Ditto North Tees in Stockton and Middlesbrough General. James Cook is the only one on a site which allows for service expansion and modernisation without demolishing the existing buildings. Services at all sites expanded and improved under the last Labour governents and have been hacked since 2010: which is, of course, all Labour's fault, as they clearly control the DoH and the commissioners (the knowledge that most folk have about commissioning of health services is pretty much non-existent).

Middlesbrough General has completely disappeared, the site was completely redeveloped as new housing years ago.
The ENT hospital has gone from Middlesbrough too. It is now an Aldi. It's main building frontage was supposed to be retained in any redevelopment but Aldi persuaded the council it should be completely flattened so their standard building could be put up. The main portico was rebuilt as a pedestrian entrance to the car park.

West Lane Mental Health Hospital was closed in 2019 when it was rated as inadequate but has just re-opened as the Acklam Road Hospital, for some reason has been taken over by the Cumbria, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear Health trust.

Carrot Flower King 9th May 2021 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13475272)
Middlesbrough General has completely disappeared, the site was completely redeveloped as new housing years ago.
The ENT hospital has gone from Middlesbrough too. It is now an Aldi. It's main building frontage was supposed to be retained in any redevelopment but Aldi persuaded the council it should be completely flattened so their standard building could be put up. The main portico was rebuilt as a pedestrian entrance to the car park.

West Lane Mental Health Hospital was closed in 2019 when it was rated as inadequate but has just re-opened as the Acklam Road Hospital, for some reason has been taken over by the Cumbria, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear Health trust.

Yeah, I was based at West Lane for a time (community base for some specialist CAMHS) until I left in 2003.

As to why (my old employer) CumbriaNTW took over some of those services...Well, there has been a tendency in North East MH services for Newcastle ('cos Newcastle is the core of that trust) to dominate services since I can't remember when and I trained in Newcastle in the '80s - it's the big medical school and has dominated nurse, psychology and OT training in the region for some time.

But this must all be Labour's fault...

catsmate 10th May 2021 01:24 AM

Don't forget the Whelk War effect; the Jersey "government" deliberately stirs up trouble by imposing limits on catches (in direct contravention of the the terms of the fisheries protocol of the EU-UK Brexit of 24DEC2020). Suddenly there's pushback, BoJo get's his frog bashing opportunity (with a couple of boats that never left harbour or even attempted to interfere with the fishing boats) and the dumber, pro-Brexit, Brits lap it up.

It's the entire UKGov in miniature; ideologically driven and just as doomed to cause Britain more problems.

Captain_Swoop 10th May 2021 03:01 AM

Britons will have to show photo ID to vote in future general elections, ministers are poised to confirm this week, as a means of tackling fraud which critics claim could deter poorer and ethnic minority voters from taking part in democracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ns-social-care

Last election only 1 out of 47 million voters convicted of voting fraud.

3.5 million British voters don't have any form of photo ID, most young or in poverty and a disproportionate number are ethnic minorities.

This will suppress the non-Tory vote.

Captain_Swoop 10th May 2021 03:03 AM

More than 40,000 people from the Philippines have been recruited to front British companies as part of schemes costing the UK "hundreds of millions of pounds" in lost taxes.

BBC Radio 4's File on 4 discovered more than 48,000 of these companies have been created in the past five years.

Some staff at NHS Covid test centres run by G4S have been employed by subcontractors in this kind of scheme.

G4S said that, when this came to its attention, HMRC was notified.

The company said it was taking steps to ensure that all agency workers were employed directly and not via a subcontractor.

The companies are originally incorporated with a British director recruited via private groups on Facebook. They resign as directors after a short period of time and a Filipino director is appointed in their place.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57021128

P.J. Denyer 10th May 2021 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by angrysoba (Post 13475261)
If we’re going that far back then presumably Italian cookery is not allowed tomato.

I suppose that would buy depend on if the Italians concerned were making a big deal about foreign influences...

Darat 10th May 2021 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13475266)
And the hospitals are so full! Not like under Labour!

Despair is fine at this point.

The pandemic really has given the Tories another bite at the apple, NHS England was on its knees, waiting times going up and up, targets never being reached, staffing shortages and so on. And this was a simple equation - you cut money in real terms and you can’t provide the same level of healthcare.

Now it will all be the fault of the pandemic so we need to man-up and accept our lowered quality of life and life expectancy - like they did in the war!

The Don 10th May 2021 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13475598)
Britons will have to show photo ID to vote in future general elections, ministers are poised to confirm this week, as a means of tackling fraud which critics claim could deter poorer and ethnic minority voters from taking part in democracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ns-social-care

Last election only 1 out of 47 million voters convicted of voting fraud.

3.5 million British voters don't have any form of photo ID, most young or in poverty and a disproportionate number are ethnic minorities.

This will suppress the non-Tory vote.

Once again, they're learning from the GOP TOP. :mad:

Nessie 10th May 2021 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13475598)
Britons will have to show photo ID to vote in future general elections, ministers are poised to confirm this week, as a means of tackling fraud which critics claim could deter poorer and ethnic minority voters from taking part in democracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ns-social-care

Last election only 1 out of 47 million voters convicted of voting fraud.

3.5 million British voters don't have any form of photo ID, most young or in poverty and a disproportionate number are ethnic minorities.

This will suppress the non-Tory vote.

In 27 years in the police, I dealt with a teenager who for a joke put his vote up for sale on ebay (he was warned) and whilst at Polling Stations I had a complaint from someone who was told he could not vote, which was due to his failure to register and a bizarre incident, where a lady, fed up at how long her husband was taking to vote, grabbed his ballot, marked it and voted for him (she was warned as well)!

I presume the voter ID will not alter postal votes.

quadraginta 10th May 2021 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Best (Post 13475144)
Chicken tikka masala.


That certainly has the sound of traditional British cuisine.

:p

Francesca R 10th May 2021 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13475706)
That certainly has the sound of traditional British cuisine.

It's fairly widely accepted that that dish was ethnic South-Asian British in origin. (Although maybe you knew that)

Parsman 10th May 2021 08:11 AM

Scotland already has different election laws to England (we let 16 year old vote in our elections) so I am hoping we can tell them to sod off when trying this lunacy with voter ID, a solution looking for a problem.

catsmate 10th May 2021 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Parsman (Post 13475790)
Scotland already has different election laws to England (we let 16 year old vote in our elections) so I am hoping we can tell them to sod off when trying this lunacy with voter ID, a solution looking for a problem.

Au contraire, the restrictions on exercise of the franchise are intended to stop a problem; poor people voting for Labour.

Darat 10th May 2021 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13475598)
Britons will have to show photo ID to vote in future general elections, ministers are poised to confirm this week, as a means of tackling fraud which critics claim could deter poorer and ethnic minority voters from taking part in democracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ns-social-care

Last election only 1 out of 47 million voters convicted of voting fraud.

3.5 million British voters don't have any form of photo ID, most young or in poverty and a disproportionate number are ethnic minorities.

This will suppress the non-Tory vote.

One wonders if all those Tory MPs who were screaming about our freedoms being trampled by restrictions due to the pandemic will be up in arms about this….

Darat 10th May 2021 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13475600)
More than 40,000 people from the Philippines have been recruited to front British companies as part of schemes costing the UK "hundreds of millions of pounds" in lost taxes.

BBC Radio 4's File on 4 discovered more than 48,000 of these companies have been created in the past five years.

Some staff at NHS Covid test centres run by G4S have been employed by subcontractors in this kind of scheme.

G4S said that, when this came to its attention, HMRC was notified.

The company said it was taking steps to ensure that all agency workers were employed directly and not via a subcontractor.

The companies are originally incorporated with a British director recruited via private groups on Facebook. They resign as directors after a short period of time and a Filipino director is appointed in their place.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57021128

Well I am certain Brexit will have put paid to that sort of thing!

Darat 10th May 2021 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Parsman (Post 13475790)
Scotland already has different election laws to England (we let 16 year old vote in our elections) so I am hoping we can tell them to sod off when trying this lunacy with voter ID, a solution looking for a problem.

As does Wales - but it is still over 18 in a general election.

Francesca R 10th May 2021 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13475916)
One wonders if all those Tory MPs who were screaming about our freedoms being trampled by restrictions due to the pandemic will be up in arms about this….

Dunno about trampling freedoms, but I don't see why exactly the same anti-discrimination objections being trotted out against vaccine ID, couldn't be used against this.

Darat 10th May 2021 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Francesca R (Post 13475932)
Dunno about trampling freedoms, but I don't see why exactly the same anti-discrimination objections being trotted out against vaccine ID, couldn't be used against this.

Hopefully I will be proved wrong but I suspect it will be

“Because….”

Captain_Swoop 10th May 2021 12:14 PM

Chipping Norton fell to Labour. David Cameron’s old seat a safe Tory area turned off by Johnson’s nationalism switching to Labour.
Also Labour have gained two divisions in Witney. In fact in Oxfordshire as a whole the Tories are losing seats all over the place.

Why is no one talking about this?

Also look at Kent
Bastion of blue Tunbridge Wells now NOC (had a 55% remain vote), LibDems took Sevenoaks Town (55% leave) and nearby Tonbridge the Greens took both county council seats both Tory since the 70s. Of the 3 wards up for grabs in true-blue Tory Faversham, Kent, all three went Lib Dem

Francesca R 10th May 2021 12:18 PM

Perhaps partly because Cameron's reputation is shredded comprehensively. Perhaps also because councils aren't always the same as parliament constituencies. Noteworthy however

dudalb 10th May 2021 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Parsman (Post 13475790)
Scotland already has different election laws to England (we let 16 year old vote in our elections) so I am hoping we can tell them to sod off when trying this lunacy with voter ID, a solution looking for a problem.

What's Gaelic for "When In The Course Of Human Events"......

Carrot Flower King 11th May 2021 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13476025)
Chipping Norton fell to Labour. David Cameron’s old seat a safe Tory area turned off by Johnson’s nationalism switching to Labour.
Also Labour have gained two divisions in Witney. In fact in Oxfordshire as a whole the Tories are losing seats all over the place.

Why is no one talking about this?

Also look at Kent
Bastion of blue Tunbridge Wells now NOC (had a 55% remain vote), LibDems took Sevenoaks Town (55% leave) and nearby Tonbridge the Greens took both county council seats both Tory since the 70s. Of the 3 wards up for grabs in true-blue Tory Faversham, Kent, all three went Lib Dem

Lemme see now...Might it be because those things don't fit with the "Tee, hee, Starmer's a joke, Labour are in freefall" narrative espoused by Johnson's meejah fan club?

I mean, Northumberland was being crowed over as a Tory gain, when the reality is that they only gained ONE seat and that was actually a dead heat with the Lib Dems decided on a coin toss/lot draw.

Carrot Flower King 11th May 2021 08:55 AM

And, of course, it doesn't help when Kuenssberg, the Beeb's political editor, comes out with nonsense like this - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56624437.amp

"I know, let's re-define lying so that it is clear that senior Tories are not lying!"

And today the totally pro-civil liberties Tories introduce the idea of photo ID for voting. Of course, no senior Tory has ever, ever publicly opposed ID cards of any sort in any sort of hyperbolic terms, have they? Oh, except for when Johnson did in the Telegraph (paywalled, so I'm not linking, but you can have Marina Hyde from the Guardian instead - https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...d-fraud-tories ).

Carrot Flower King 11th May 2021 08:57 AM

And I won't mention the report of the inquest into the Ballymena massacre of August 1971 coming out when the same scrupulously honest set of politicians want to try to stop historical prosecutions of military personnel - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...in-ballymurphy .

jimbob 11th May 2021 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13476872)
And, of course, it doesn't help when Kuenssberg, the Beeb's political editor, comes out with nonsense like this - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56624437.amp

"I know, let's re-define lying so that it is clear that senior Tories are not lying!"

And today the totally pro-civil liberties Tories introduce the idea of photo ID for voting. Of course, no senior Tory has ever, ever publicly opposed ID cards of any sort in any sort of hyperbolic terms, have they? Oh, except for when Johnson did in the Telegraph (paywalled, so I'm not linking, but you can have Marina Hyde from the Guardian instead - https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...d-fraud-tories ).

And this is benign?

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First, the benign interpretation of how the PM operates. One insider who knows him well says it is simply "unfair and easy to cry 'liar', as the opposition has done".

"He's far more complex and strategic and people don't give him credit for how calculating and clever he is."
I can easily believe that the highlighted is true. It does imply that he lies with strategic intent though. Which isn't better than lying on an adhoc basis.

Carrot Flower King 11th May 2021 09:32 AM

^ Yup, on reading that piece (found it referred to by Edzard Ernst recently) I wondered how anyone could doubt that Kuenssberg has some class of bias towards the Tories.

I mean the main reason I might cry "Liar!" when I listen to or read Johnson is that the ****** tells such huge lies, all the time.

Archie Gemmill Goal 11th May 2021 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13476913)
^ Yup, on reading that piece (found it referred to by Edzard Ernst recently) I wondered how anyone could doubt that Kuenssberg has some class of bias towards the Tories.

I mean the main reason I might cry "Liar!" when I listen to or read Johnson is that the ****** tells such huge lies, all the time.

Why would you not tell lies when not only does being a liar not do you any harm but it actually HELPS you?

The English electorate seems beyond help at this moment in time.

Carrot Flower King 11th May 2021 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal (Post 13476941)
Why would you not tell lies when not only does being a liar not do you any harm but it actually HELPS you?

The English electorate seems beyond help at this moment in time.

I cannot in anyway disagree and have felt for a very long time that this is the case.

When you lot get independence I really do hope the berks in That There London **** up the geography and use Hadrian's Wall, despite my previous semi-cynical comment aboput being ignored from Holyrood (reflected a couple of conversations I had in Sutherland and Wester Ross as well as English experience).

Captain_Swoop 11th May 2021 10:32 AM

Jacob Rees Mogg admits there isn't a problem when asked about Government Voter ID plan.
"you have to introduce things that keep the electoral system proper before the problem arises"

Matt Hancock says 6 cases of voter fraud is ‘6 too many’.

Conservative Education minister Gillian Keegan tells the BBC that people are already required to show photo ID to collect a parcel at the Post Office.
There is no such requirement.

I could just about get my head around the requirement if the government issued everyone over the age of 18 free of charge a Voter ID card, but people cannot be expected to pay for the right to vote.

catsmate 11th May 2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13476874)
And I won't mention the report of the inquest into the Ballymena massacre of August 1971 coming out when the same scrupulously honest set of politicians want to try to stop historical prosecutions of military personnel - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...in-ballymurphy .

I started a thread on it.

Captain_Swoop 11th May 2021 10:37 AM

Today a lady wearing a diamond hat announced bills that introduce

Voter suppression
Reduction in judicial review of government actions
Oppressive policing

Captain_Swoop 11th May 2021 10:39 AM

The last people to be fined for committing election fraud were Vote Leave.


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