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Captain_Swoop 22nd May 2021 05:03 AM

When did UK politicians parading around wearing uniforms emblazoned with their rank become a thing?
I'm sure we've seen this sort of thing before. It didn't end well.
Just waiting for Jacob Rees-Mogg in his "Witchfinder General" outfit now.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E16kXnmWEAI3WzC.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E10x2WcXMAAJ41U.jpg

P.J. Denyer 22nd May 2021 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13487825)
When did UK politicians parading around wearing uniforms emblazoned with their rank become a thing?
I'm sure we've seen this sort of thing before. It didn't end well.
Just waiting for Jacob Rees-Mogg in his "Witchfinder General" outfit now.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E16kXnmWEAI3WzC.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E10x2WcXMAAJ41U.jpg

It's Johnson & co playing at being a US President. And we know which one.

Captain_Swoop 22nd May 2021 07:52 AM

Maybe it's to help them remember who they are.

Ulf Nereng 22nd May 2021 08:39 AM

Boris likes to dress up. Here he is at an airfield, so he wears an appropriate uniform. Previously we've seen him in hospitals wearing nurses gear, at fishmarkets in fisherman's clothing (holding up a fish), at a construction site with a hardhat and matching vest, at a farm with a bull, and so forth and so on. Not even Kim Jong-Un gets around as much as BoJo! Kim only does it to prove that he's still alive, though.

Darat 22nd May 2021 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13487885)
Maybe it's to help them remember who they are.

Or because people kept saying "He's the PM?"

Captain_Swoop 22nd May 2021 02:51 PM

Unethical journalism and lying can’t be repeated, says unethical ex-journalist who repeatedly lies.

Garrison 23rd May 2021 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13488128)
Unethical journalism and lying can’t be repeated, says unethical ex-journalist who repeatedly lies.

Yeah it seems that Laura Kuenssberg acting as No. 10 spokesperson instead of Political Editor isn't enough for Johnson and co. They won't be content until the BBC is just a propaganda arm of the Government.

Captain_Swoop 23rd May 2021 09:06 AM

The BBC's reputation has been "highly damaged" following an inquiry into the Panorama interview with Diana, Princess of Wales, Priti Patel has said.

The home secretary said Lord Dyson's probe into how Martin Bashir obtained the interview was a "really significant moment" for the BBC.

The home secretary said next year's mid-term review of the BBC's royal charter - focussing on the governance and regulation of the organisation - would be "a very significant and serious moment, at a time when the reputation of the BBC has been compromised".

The report will "go down as one of those key moments in the history of the BBC", she added.

"This is the Netflix generation," she told Marr. "How relevant is the BBC?"

The "fundamental pillars" of accountability, trust and confidence need to be addressed by the BBC, she said.

Asked about a proposal by former BBC chairman Lord Grade for a new editorial board, she said "all suggestions will have to be considered".
"This is the Netflix generation," she told Marr. "How relevant is the BBC?"

The "fundamental pillars" of accountability, trust and confidence need to be addressed by the BBC, she said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57217853

Garrison 23rd May 2021 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13488511)

The "fundamental pillars" of accountability, trust and confidence need to be addressed by the BBC, she said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57217853

To which the appropriate response is, after you.

Captain_Swoop 23rd May 2021 03:22 PM

A new border scheme requiring visitors to apply for an electronic permit will make the UK safer, Home Secretary Priti Patel has said.

She also argued it will make it easier to count those coming to the UK.

Under the plan, all visitors without a visa or immigration status will have to apply for an Electronic Travel Authorisation (ETA) before coming to the UK.

Passengers required to get a permit under the new system would include those travelling to the UK for a short stay or transiting - changing planes - in the country.

People wishing to work in the UK or stay in the country for a long period of time - for example over six months - would need to obtain a visa, rather than an ETA.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57217739

Captain_Swoop 23rd May 2021 03:23 PM

Oscar, Grammy and Nobel Prize-winners will be among those able to get visas to live and work in the UK more easily under point-based immigration reforms.

The Home Office has announced its decision to "fast track" the process for those winning coveted arts awards.

It is part of the government's bid to attract the "best and brightest" from around the world.

International stars who have won Bafta, Brit, Mobo, Tony or Golden Globe awards will also be eligible.

Previously the visa application process, known as the Global Talent route, meant artists and producers had to receive an endorsement from one of six bodies.

But from Wednesday, new post-Brexit rules allow people who hold a qualifying prize to make a simpler single visa application.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56991724

Captain_Swoop 23rd May 2021 04:31 PM

Priti Patel suggested ministers - including herself - breaking the rules isn’t important because they’re doing “difficult jobs, actually.”

And the Home Secretary, who was found to have broken the ministerial code over accusations of bullying, said the rulebook is currently being “reviewed”.

Asked, considering her own breach of the code - and the fact that Boris Johnson is under investigation over alleged breaches of the same rules - whether the code still matters, Ms Patel told the BBC’s Andrew Marr: “Well, look, the ministerial code is there for a reason - and there's work taking place at the moment in terms of reviewing that.”

She added: “I think at this stage this isn't about breaking codes and things of that nature, we're all just getting on in government, doing very difficult jobs actually, coming out of this pandemic.

“All ministers are focused on doing their job.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...aking-24166724

Captain_Swoop 23rd May 2021 04:32 PM

She also said in the same interview

"Herd immunity by exposure wasn't our official plan and I think people will be asking serious questions about why the BBC is bothering with this very inconvenient story"

Captain_Swoop 23rd May 2021 04:34 PM

What she's saying is, 'You can't touch me, because I control the police and I make the rules'.

Captain_Swoop 24th May 2021 02:33 AM

Liz Truss on LBC suggesting that the BBC should be stripped of its role of selecting the Eurovision entry.

The Don 24th May 2021 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13488981)
Liz Truss on LBC suggesting that the BBC should be stripped of its role of selecting the Eurovision entry.

Because of Martin Bashir or because we came last with null points this year ?

The song wasn't horrible, though the performance wasn't great.

Seems that no-one likes us:

Quote:

Let’s start off with the bad news. The United Kingdom finished in last place with the televoting in no less than fourteen countries. 37% of all countries voting last night thought Embers was the worst song of the show, which is a big number if there are 26 entries on offer. Add to that that nine countries decided to put the United Kingdom in second to last and you need to draw the conclusion that 60%, over half the voting countries, thought James Newman was one of the two worst songs of the night. It is fair to guess that the other nil pointers scored better than the UK.
https://escxtra.com/2021/05/23/telev...urovision-202/

If they're competing then Greece and Cyprus are guaranteed 12 points from each other.

The UK has burned all its bridges.


edited to add.....

Of course in the middle of a pandemic which has already killed over 150,000 in the UK (and which will likely kill another 30,000 - 100,000 over the next winter), a disastrous Brexit which has caused the UK economy to shrink and the negotiation of a series of trade deals which seem to undermine the UK's recovery, complaining about the selection of a song for Eurovision is a great use of ministerial time. :mad:

Liz, if your mob weren't such a bunch of xenophobes, maybe the UK wouldn't come last. Even the German entry with the dancing middle finger did better.

Captain_Swoop 24th May 2021 02:47 AM

Will someone suggest that the FA should be stripped of it's role of selecting the England football team?

Captain_Swoop 24th May 2021 02:54 AM

Boris has announced there will be a Prime Ministerial Wedding!
It's going to be on the telly apparently.

Imagine how stupid you'd have to be to accept wedding vows from a pathological liar who claims to be broke, doesn't know how many children he has, and cheated on his ex-wife in the family home while she was being treated for cancer.

Darat 24th May 2021 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13488985)
Boris has announced there will be a Prime Ministerial Wedding!
It's going to be on the telly apparently.

Imagine how stupid you'd have to be to accept wedding vows from a pathological liar who claims to be broke, doesn't know how many children he has, and cheated on his ex-wife in the family home while she was being treated for cancer.

He needs the money - probably worth a good half a million with deals with the magazines and the like. Everything can be paid for by “family friends”.

TheSupermeerkat 24th May 2021 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13488985)
Boris has announced there will be a Prime Ministerial Wedding!
It's going to be on the telly apparently.

Imagine how stupid you'd have to be to accept wedding vows from a pathological liar who claims to be broke, doesn't know how many children he has, and cheated on his ex-wife in the family home while she was being treated for cancer.


Well, you might accept the deal if:

a) it gave you rapid access to the centre of power, and
b) you could have a life of luxury, even if (and especially if) you get ditched.

Archie Gemmill Goal 24th May 2021 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13488985)
It's going to be on the telly apparently.

In the name of ****, why?

catsmate 24th May 2021 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal (Post 13489251)
In the name of ****, why?

So the plebs can worship their master of course.
:rolleyes:

Archie Gemmill Goal 24th May 2021 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13489256)
So the plebs can worship their master of course.
:rolleyes:

Seems like a genius ploy by the Tories to get people to revolt against the TV license so they can privatise the BBC.

P.J. Denyer 25th May 2021 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13488991)
He needs the money - probably worth a good half a million with deals with the magazines and the like. Everything can be paid for by “family friends”.

And I guess he has enough stamps on his card to get this wedding free!

Captain_Swoop 25th May 2021 12:35 PM

Interview on Radio 4 today with the co-chair of the Tory Party.
She was completely unable to answer the question "Is it OK for a member of the Conservatives to refer to Muslim women as bank robbers and pillar boxes?"

sphenisc 25th May 2021 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13490532)
Interview on Radio 4 today with the co-chair of the Tory Party.
She was completely unable to answer the question "Is it OK for a member of the Conservatives to refer to Muslim women as bank robbers and pillar boxes?"

To be fair the question is ambiguous and should probably be presented in terms of set theory. Maybe they'll cover it on More or Less.

Captain_Swoop 25th May 2021 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sphenisc (Post 13490615)
To be fair the question is ambiguous and should probably be presented in terms of set theory. Maybe they'll cover it on More or Less.

What is ambiguous?

It just needs a yes or no answer.

Maybe it's because the PM said it that was confusing her.

Captain_Swoop 25th May 2021 02:11 PM

Boris told the investigation: “I do know that offence has been taken at things I’ve said, that people expect a person in my position to get things right, but in journalism you need to use language freely. I am obviously sorry for any offence taken."

So a non apology.

GlennB 25th May 2021 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13490641)
...
"I am obviously sorry for any offence taken."

So a non apology.

Aye. That phrasing virtually blames the offended person for being offended.

TheSupermeerkat 26th May 2021 04:01 AM

Cummings paints the entire government as incompetent, Jonson and his colleagues as unqualified and out of their depth. All true.

He paints himself and his data scientist colleagues as shining examples of sanity and professionalism who could have done it much much better. He says “it’s a disaster that I acted too late”.

I have no doubt most of his criticisms are true, but he comes across as ranty and has a chip on his shoulder. He is discrediting himself.

Worm 26th May 2021 05:08 AM

He also said (paraphrasing) "It's ridiculous that I was in a position of power".

So he's reached far and wide to throw everyone under the bus, including himself. We may need more buses at this rate.

Darat 26th May 2021 05:48 AM

So nothing we didn’t know, so nothing that will make any difference. That Johnson such a laugh!

catsmate 26th May 2021 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worm (Post 13491150)
He also said (paraphrasing) "It's ridiculous that I was in a position of power".

So he's reached far and wide to throw everyone under the bus, including himself. We may need more buses at this rate.

Midsomer used a tank once.....

Not that I'm suggesting rounding up BoJo and his cronies, sycophants and hangers-on, breaking their legs and chasing them cross-country with an armoured vehicle mind.

Darat 26th May 2021 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13491201)
Midsomer used a tank once.....

Not that I'm suggesting rounding up BoJo and his cronies, sycophants and hangers-on, breaking their legs and chasing them cross-country with an armoured vehicle mind.

Yeah you wouldn’t treat an animal that way, oh hold on yes they would……

Worm 26th May 2021 07:38 AM

I'm especially impressed the Cummings keeps blaming 'the government' as if he wasn't part of the whole thing.

TheSupermeerkat 26th May 2021 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worm (Post 13491254)
I'm especially impressed the Cummings keeps blaming 'the government' as if he wasn't part of the whole thing.

He's a genius who is near perfect. If the government had done what he said, things wouldn't be half as bad. They are to blame for not listening to him.

That's the impression I get.

Wudang 26th May 2021 08:50 AM

Don't forget the occasion Cummings editted a blog post from the previous year in an attempt to claim he predicted a pandemic.
https://www.newstatesman.com/science...19-coronavirus


Expect similar "revision" here.

Filippo Lippi 26th May 2021 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worm (Post 13491150)
He also said (paraphrasing) "It's ridiculous that I was in a position of power".

So he's reached far and wide to throw everyone under the bus, including himself. We may need more buses at this rate.

Everyone, except Gove, Raab and Sunak, the Brexiteers

Darat 26th May 2021 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worm (Post 13491254)
I'm especially impressed the Cummings keeps blaming 'the government' as if he wasn't part of the whole thing.

Strictly speaking he wasn’t and that is one of the problems with the current arrangement and “special advisors”.

Darat 26th May 2021 10:43 AM

Poor Kuenssberg, struggling so hard to try and keep her mates happy, it’s like being a friend in the middle of a divorcing couple!

Carrot Flower King 26th May 2021 10:58 AM

Didn't say anything we didn't already know really: Johnson not fit for office - errrrr, we knew that at least a decade ago; Hancock tells loadsa lies - obvious since this whole **** show started; no ****** had a real clue what's going on - well, no ****, Sherlock!

Is that it? Is this all? Over-hyped score settling of a very unconvincing type. Another example of an over-promoted, over-entitled, under-talented public schoolboy trying to look hard.

2/10. And stop trying to mark your own homework, Cummings.

angrysoba 26th May 2021 05:30 PM

I'm just going to drop this in here.

I heard some of Cummings talking about his time in office.

I hope nobody pays this obviously self-serving slimeball any attention.

His idea that he was "trying to build something around Johnson" to create good decisions. No! That is like admitting that he was trying a coup from within the government.

Look, we all know that Johnson and Hancock are ridiculous people who have no competence, but Cummings was once of the architects of this failure not some heroic insider.

**** off Cummings!

a_unique_person 26th May 2021 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13485896)
Rail passengers should see more punctual services and cheaper tickets as part of a huge shake up of UK's railways, the government says.

It says a new state-owned body, Great British Railways (GBR), will set timetables and prices, sell tickets in England and manage rail infrastructure.

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps admitted the current system was "too complicated" and "fragmented".

He also promised GBR would be more accountable for delays and disruption.

But private operators will still be contracted to run most trains and the most of the planned reforms will not start coming in until 2023.

Under the reforms:

All tickets will be sold by GBR in the future, ending the system where passengers must buy them from multiple companies online and in stations
There will be a "significant rollout" of more pay as you go, contactless and digital ticketing on smartphones
And from next month flexible season tickets will be available for some people who commute two or three times a week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57176858

They privatised the Victorian (not Queen Victorian) train system. Now on a relatively small railway system there are multiple, incompatible rolling stock that have different parts and maintenance and can't run on all the lines. It's a nightmare. So much money was wasted that should have been spent on obsolete signalling systems.

a_unique_person 26th May 2021 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeeGerman (Post 13485899)
It beats double plus good

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Squeegee Beckenheim 28th May 2021 08:32 AM

Johnson cleared of wrongdoing re flat refurbishment: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57280418

Because of course he was.

Squeegee Beckenheim 28th May 2021 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat (Post 13491108)
He is discrediting himself.

Because he had so much credibility prior to this?

Carrot Flower King 28th May 2021 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13493600)
Johnson cleared of wrongdoing re flat refurbishment: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57280418

Because of course he was.

He was "unwise"...

The useless ****** didn't know where the money to pay for it all was coming from...

"Oh, look, Carrie! The money fairies have left us a load of dosh! What luck, just when we needed it to spaff it all on the walls! Who ever would have thought it?"

And yet he hasn't broken the sodding code...

Like Hancock not knowing he was supposed to declare stuff about his sister's company...

FFS! The Code of the Woosters has more force than the ministerial code of conduct.

Darat 28th May 2021 09:50 AM

Hey Hancock only technically breached the ministerial code.

Which I think means he breached the ministerial code but who cares that can do anything about it?

Carrot Flower King 28th May 2021 09:56 AM

How come ignorance of the rules/law is not a defence in any other legal or quasi-legal context in the UK?

Captain_Swoop 28th May 2021 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13493644)

FFS! The Code of the Woosters has more force than the ministerial code of conduct.

Bertie was an honourable man.


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