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The Don 22nd June 2021 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13515752)
Tory MPs trying to work out why some white people are poor?

Incredible foresight from Thatcher to gut working class communities, so that 40 years later Tories can point gleefully at regions full of neglected white kids and go "look, racism doesn't exist."

Especially when they've spent the last decade undoing most or all of the previous Labour governments' programmes aimed at tackling poverty, and in particular childhood poverty.

They're looking more and more like the GOP in the US, reduce funding to the point that government institutions stop working and then cut funding further because said government institutions are ineffective. :rolleyes:

Darat 22nd June 2021 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13515752)
Tory MPs trying to work out why some white people are poor?

Incredible foresight from Thatcher to gut working class communities, so that 40 years later Tories can point gleefully at regions full of neglected white kids and go "look, racism doesn't exist."

It will be "them" - it's always THEM!

Captain_Swoop 24th June 2021 04:37 PM

Andrew Neil is ‘stepping back’ from Twat TV for a 'break'

Snowflake.

Lothian 25th June 2021 01:43 AM

I note it was not only 'useless' that Matt Hancock was *******

Captain_Swoop 25th June 2021 03:21 AM

FUN FACT: Edwin Poots lasted longer as DUP leader in comparison to Andrew Neil on GB News.

Captain_Swoop 25th June 2021 03:26 AM

Are we in Little Britain?

"After a long day of lying to the Prime Minister, my aide and I returned to my office.
Whilst closing the door, my legs started to fall off and she gave me mouth to mouth to resuscitate me.
As far as I'm concerned, case closed. End of story."

Captain_Swoop 25th June 2021 03:35 AM

Michael Rosen tweeted

@MichaelRosenYes
I see that George Osborne has become the new Chair of the British Museum. I've asked him how he got the job. How do people get these jobs? How did they arrive at him? Did they just ring him up? No one's ever rung me to offer me a job like that. I didn't invent austerity, though.

P.J. Denyer 25th June 2021 03:35 AM

Well, it may be cold comfort to Dominic Cummings now, but further evidence has emerged that shows that senior government aids did desperately need eye tests.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1538801...with-aide/amp/

Captain_Swoop 25th June 2021 04:10 AM

Did he appoint the woman when he was already having an affair with her?

GlennB 25th June 2021 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13518850)
Well, it may be cold comfort to Dominic Cummings now, but further evidence has emerged that shows that senior government aids did desperately need eye tests.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1538801...with-aide/amp/

"I accept that I breached the social distancing guidance in these circumstances."

Having an affair with an aide that he appointed and his first thought is to apologise for 'getting too close to her'? :rolleyes:

The crap we have to put up with on a daily basis.

Lothian 25th June 2021 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13518868)
Did he appoint the woman when he was already having an affair with her?

Hancock will go.

Hancock previously said it 'would not be possible' for Sage head Ferguson, to keep his job as he flouted the coronavirus social distancing rules to have secret trysts with his married lover.

It is a scandal if he leaves his role over this rather than being an incompetent arse who lied, diverted Government funds to friends, took decisions and avoided decisions that lead to 1000s of unnecessary deaths.

Lothian 25th June 2021 05:23 AM

Perhaps this is why Boris has kept him in a job. When Boris said he was "******* useless" he could have been referring to her abilities, not to his.

The Don 25th June 2021 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13518868)
Did he appoint the woman when he was already having an affair with her?

Apparently they've known each other since university. It is possible that their intimate relationship only began when they started working closely together - but IMO that's a stretch.

Even if he only started schtupping her once she was in post, he still gave a plum job to a mate - but that's SOP these days.

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Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13518885)
Hancock will go.

He will, but not soon and not because of this. He needs to be around to take all the flak for the government's bungling of Covid-19 especially after the future third and fourth waves kill tens of thousands. Maybe early to mid 2022.

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Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13518885)
Hancock previously said it 'would not be possible' for Sage head Ferguson, to keep his job as he flouted the coronavirus social distancing rules to have secret trysts with his married lover.

One set of rules for the "little people", a completely different set of rules for people like Matty-boy.

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Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13518885)
It is a scandal if he leaves his role over this rather than being an incompetent arse who lied, diverted Government funds to friends, took decisions and avoided decisions that lead to 1000s of unnecessary deaths.

Don't worry, he cannot resign over anything like this otherwise other members of the government would have to be held to some sort of standard too - and that's not going to happen IMO.

Filippo Lippi 25th June 2021 06:04 AM

She's not only an aide, she's a shareholder in a lobbying firm that brags of their access to government

Like being able to massage a minister's prostate


Sorry, couldn't help myself

Vixen 25th June 2021 06:07 AM

It is rotten for the cuckolded wife and other husband and their kids, but I have never laughed so hard at a recent news story. Then there was Grant Shapps trying to keep a straight face claiming Gina, the love interest, would have been hired properly. AFAICS she was in marketing. Can't see what that has to do with the Department of Health.

NED post are very sought after. A few hours work a week and a handsome remuneration plus expenses. In my profession, we were warned that we would be inundated with NED job offers, once qualified, as under corporate governance guidance all large corporations and public bodies have to employ a Non-Executive Director to oversee the auditing functions.

This 15,000 NED role (for maybe even just one afternoon a month) should have been properly advertised as far too many of these roles go to personal friends and especially relatives. I recall an MP a few years back paying his wife 25,000 a year for nothing much that was discernable. Considering that the government roles are funded by the taxpayer, there should be an inquiry into this corrupt practice.

Darat 25th June 2021 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi (Post 13518927)
She's not only an aide, she's a shareholder in a lobbying firm that brags of their access to government

Like being able to massage a minister's prostate


Sorry, couldn't help myself

"but I think he took the right decision to resign" Hancock on Ferguson

Captain_Swoop 25th June 2021 06:58 AM

The prime minister's spokesman says Boris Johnson has accepted Mr Hancock's apology and considers matter closed

Agatha 25th June 2021 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13518990)
The prime minister's spokesman says Boris Johnson has accepted Mr Hancock's apology and considers matter closed

I think he will find that voters may not consider the matter closed - and I don't expect we'll be seeing Hancock given an opportunity to sit in the rose garden to explain how he interpreted "hands face space" as "hands face arse".

The Don 25th June 2021 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Agatha (Post 13519007)
I think he will find that voters may not consider the matter closed - and I don't expect we'll be seeing Hancock given an opportunity to sit in the rose garden to explain how he interpreted "hands face space" as "hands face arse".

As long as people can go on their hollybobs to the Med this summer, the pubs stay open and not too many people who matter (i.e. people we know personally) die in the third and fourth waves then the electorate couldn't care less.

Despite the complete bungling of Covid on almost every level, the success of the vaccination programme has made Boris Johnson and his government unassailable in the eyes of the majority of the English electorate and, more importantly, in the eyes of the media they consume. :mad:

The Don 25th June 2021 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13518990)
The prime minister's spokesman says Boris Johnson has accepted Mr Hancock's apology and considers matter closed

He could hardly do anything else given his own indiscretions over the decades. ;)

P.J. Denyer 25th June 2021 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13518883)
"I accept that I breached the social distancing guidance in these circumstances."

Having an affair with an aide that he appointed and his first thought is to apologise for 'getting too close to her'? :rolleyes:

The crap we have to put up with on a daily basis.

You can imagine the conversation with his wife, "Darling, I'm so sorry but when you see todays papers... I... I... I don't know how to tell you but... I broke social distancing guidelines and they have pictures"


In an earlier time he'd be resigning to spend more time with his family, but that tradition ended when Jo Johnson resigned in order to spend less time with his.

Lothian 25th June 2021 08:43 AM

Rubbish at his job, caught lying, having an affair with a work colleague but at least he stands by his ministers.

Lothian 25th June 2021 09:52 AM

Time for this again?

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I AGREE

Carrot Flower King 25th June 2021 10:08 AM

Non-executive director at the DoH gets paid, essentially, 1 000 a day...For doing what exactly?

I ask for myself as a retired senior nurse, with a load of time on my hands I could put to good use, and on behalf of all current and recently retired NHS staff who had to live through the "austerity" inspired hacking to ribbons of our services which the DoH pushed through and the non-execs were apparently all OK with.

What the actual flying **** is a non-exec director there for? Aside from bank account inflating...

Lothian 25th June 2021 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13519141)
Non-executive director at the DoH gets paid, essentially, 1 000 a day...For doing what exactly?
I ask for myself......

Snogging Matt Hancock. Still want the job?

Darat 25th June 2021 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13519141)
Non-executive director at the DoH gets paid, essentially, 1 000 a day...For doing what exactly?

...snip....

Snogging Hancock.

You'd have to pay me a lot more!

jimbob 25th June 2021 10:12 AM

https://twitter.com/robdothutton/sta...535366657?s=21

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Hancock giving a job to the woman he's pictured kissing is quite wrong. These roles should be put out to Tinder.

KDLarsen 25th June 2021 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13519148)

Why not cut out the middleman and just use Hancock's own app instead?

Mojo 25th June 2021 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13519148)


Are we allowed to nominate non-members for the language award?

Captain_Swoop 25th June 2021 02:49 PM

Somehow the Sun has obtained the full video of Hancock's 'liaison'.

jimbob 25th June 2021 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13519354)
Somehow the Sun has obtained the full video of Hancock's 'liaison'.

Which raises questions of itself.

Yes there is a genuine public interest, but the CCTV was apparently in his office.

There have to be security issues raised by that

Agatha 25th June 2021 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13519354)
Somehow the Sun has obtained the full video of Hancock's 'liaison'.

The world has not yet produced sufficient brain bleach for anyone to view this.

P.J. Denyer 25th June 2021 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13519366)
Which raises questions of itself.

Yes there is a genuine public interest, but the CCTV was apparently in his office.

There have to be security issues raised by that

It's reached the point they have to get the dead cats from Longleat.

Matthew Best 25th June 2021 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Agatha (Post 13519372)
The world has not yet produced sufficient brain bleach for anyone to view this.

I've seen it - he appears to be whispering into her mouth for some reason.

P.J. Denyer 25th June 2021 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Agatha (Post 13519372)
The world has not yet produced sufficient brain bleach for anyone to view this.

I'd sooner watch the video from The Ring.

Vixen 25th June 2021 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Agatha (Post 13519007)
I think he will find that voters may not consider the matter closed - and I don't expect we'll be seeing Hancock given an opportunity to sit in the rose garden to explain how he interpreted "hands face space" as "hands face arse".

At least now we know what he meant when he said he was 'straining every sinew'.

Vixen 25th June 2021 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13518990)
The prime minister's spokesman says Boris Johnson has accepted Mr Hancock's apology and considers matter closed

I always thought Boris Johnson had a strong anti-social streak in him.

It might be the key to the his popularity as he reflects back the Brit-trait of two fingers in the air. Yah boo shucks to you!

Vixen 25th June 2021 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Best (Post 13519423)
I've seen it - he appears to be whispering into her mouth for some reason.

I wonder if it gets any ruder and there is more to come. They start stripping or something.

Captain_Swoop 26th June 2021 03:35 AM

SEVEN current UK Cabinet ministers (including Hancock) have been found to have broken the law & each & everyone of them have remained in post.

Darat 26th June 2021 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13519652)
SEVEN current UK Cabinet ministers (including Hancock) have been found to have broken the law & each & everyone of them have remained in post.

I'm shocked.

So few!

Ulf Nereng 26th June 2021 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13519652)
SEVEN current UK Cabinet ministers (including Hancock) have been found to have broken the law & each & everyone of them have remained in post.

People voted for change and now the country is run by criminals. Does it count as change or has it always been thus?

Darat 26th June 2021 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ulf Nereng (Post 13519664)
People voted for change and now the country is run by criminals. Does it count as change or has it always been thus?

Sadly, for most of the time we are indeed governed by the same class and as ever high and low society always had a very nasty intersection.

At the moment the best one can say is none of the current cabinet members have (yet...) been convicted of crimes and imprisoned so we are doing better than the Thatcher and Major years!

Archie Gemmill Goal 26th June 2021 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Agatha (Post 13519007)
I think he will find that voters may not consider the matter closed - and I don't expect we'll be seeing Hancock given an opportunity to sit in the rose garden to explain how he interpreted "hands face space" as "hands face arse".

I think he will then find that as with everything 'voters don't consider closed' it will be forgotten about as soon as something else comes along and completely irrelevant come election time when the Tories win again.

Apparently the people of England like being treated like this and want more of it.

Vixen 26th June 2021 05:05 AM

No sex, please, we are British.

Darat 26th June 2021 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal (Post 13519696)
I think he will then find that as with everything 'voters don't consider closed' it will be forgotten about as soon as something else comes along and completely irrelevant come election time when the Tories win again.

But Labour have some anti-Semites! But labour cut funding to the NHS for the last 12 years! Vaccination!!!!

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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal (Post 13519696)
Apparently the people of England like being treated like this and want more of it.

Yes and by George we want to feel that whip some more!!

angrysoba 26th June 2021 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Agatha (Post 13519372)
The world has not yet produced sufficient brain bleach for anyone to view this.

There is now an audio version as well.

Proceed with extreme caution:

Link

angrysoba 26th June 2021 07:48 AM

Okay, so She is from Oxford, married to some guy who might be able to get some government interest in his projects. wild speculation ahead...

She gets a job, her husband gets some cash, all they have to do is pretend she is attracted to Matt Hancock. Hancock is too stupid to realize that he is being used.

Wild speculation ceases here.

Filippo Lippi 26th June 2021 08:04 AM

"Lovers" implies she did a bit more than "pretend" to be attracted to Hancock

Garrison 26th June 2021 09:04 AM

This is Boris Johnson we are talking about, he probably doesn't think adultery is really a problem. After all he's done it multiple times and he made it to PM!

Mid 26th June 2021 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by angrysoba (Post 13519788)
Okay, so She is from Oxford, married to some guy who might be able to get some government interest in his projects. wild speculation ahead...

She gets a job, her husband gets some cash, all they have to do is pretend she is attracted to Matt Hancock. Hancock is too stupid to realize that he is being used.

Wild speculation ceases here.

Well not the husband but her brother has NHS contracts:

https://news.sky.com/story/matt-hanc...racts-12341789


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