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Lurch 20th November 2021 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mgidm86 (Post 13660151)
Yes, those lawmakers are livin' like Jesus I tell ya (except for the non-Christian ones)!

They have to claim to be religious to get elected in this stupid country. A belief in nonsense is a requirement.

It would make for an interesting study to determine in which nations a professed practice of religion is a requirement for the highest office or offices. I suspect the bulk would be classed theocracies or developing. Most of the developed, 'western' democracies certainly place much less emphasis on religion's role in the State, putting in practice one of Democracy's necessary tenets, that there be a clear separation.

The US is warped in this regard. I mean, the WH hosts 'prayer breakfasts'. And in a really twisted conjoining, Trump had that whackadoodle, Paula White, as the Administration's 'spiritual advisor.' A goddamned clown show, this backwards, primitive, and ultimately hypocritical adherence to a Sky Daddy they claim is shepherding the anointed Chosen among nations, to placate the decidedly non-Christian 'Christians' who chafe for Gilead.

Norman Alexander 20th November 2021 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13660346)
It would make for an interesting study to determine in which nations a professed practice of religion is a requirement for the highest office or offices. I suspect the bulk would be classed theocracies or developing. Most of the developed, 'western' democracies certainly place much less emphasis on religion's role in the State, putting in practice one of Democracy's necessary tenets, that there be a clear separation.

The US is warped in this regard. I mean, the WH hosts 'prayer breakfasts'. And in a really twisted conjoining, Trump had that whackadoodle, Paula White, as the Administration's 'spiritual advisor.' A goddamned clown show, this backwards, primitive, and ultimately hypocritical adherence to a Sky Daddy they claim is shepherding the anointed Chosen among nations, to placate the decidedly non-Christian 'Christians' who chafe for Gilead.

Umm, Australia has an unspoken rule that leading politicians cannot be irreligious, or the "wrong" religion. Protestant is best, although Catholic is acceptable. But anything else, especially the religion of "being female" and being non-white and being atheist, is a no-no. Our first female prime minister found this out. She is atheist and progressive as well, and so was the target of particularly nasty invective from our recalcitrant right-wing scumbags of all stripes.

The UK has made progress on this, I'm glad to see. They allow subcontinental fascists into positions of power now.

slyjoe 25th November 2021 07:12 AM

Marj introduced a bill to award the Congressional Gold Medal to Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse.

She was quickly reminded she voted AGAINST the bill to award the medal to the Congressional Police Officers who defended the Capitol on Jan 6.

https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-tayl...103943383.html

Craig4 25th November 2021 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13664090)
Marj introduced a bill to award the Congressional Gold Medal to Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse.

She was quickly reminded she voted AGAINST the bill to award the medal to the Congressional Police Officers who defended the Capitol on Jan 6.

https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-tayl...103943383.html

Not that I particularly care, but these people are going to kill that kid, or end him up in jail. They'll turn his head with all his instant fame and he'll do something stupid, not handle it well, maybe even shoot someone else (if he does it in DC during his "internship", I'd expect a very different result at trial). If his parents had any sense (and they don't), they'd keep him away from all of this and try to slowly go back to some degree of normalcy for him.

eerok 25th November 2021 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13664090)
Marj introduced a bill to award the Congressional Gold Medal to Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse.

She was quickly reminded she voted AGAINST the bill to award the medal to the Congressional Police Officers who defended the Capitol on Jan 6.

https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-tayl...103943383.html

She's an idiot and troll.

slyjoe 25th November 2021 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by eerok (Post 13664124)
She's an idiot and troll.

I cannot find anything to disagree with in this post.

Crazy Chainsaw 25th November 2021 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13664130)
I cannot find anything to disagree with in this post.

I could I don’t like Insulting Trolls she is more hazardous Nuclear Waste.
Maybe from a Jewish Space Laser accidentally hitting a Nuclear power plant.

eerok 25th November 2021 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13664130)
I cannot find anything to disagree with in this post.

Well, after I posted this I thought I might've implied that she could be safely ignored, but I don't think that's true. She's an idiot, a troll, and a festering menace.

Stacyhs 25th November 2021 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13664090)
Marj introduced a bill to award the Congressional Gold Medal to Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse.

She was quickly reminded she voted AGAINST the bill to award the medal to the Congressional Police Officers who defended the Capitol on Jan 6.

https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-tayl...103943383.html

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ff820d4a23.jpg

KDLarsen 25th November 2021 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by slyjoe (Post 13664090)
Marj introduced a bill to award the Congressional Gold Medal to Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse.

She was quickly reminded she voted AGAINST the bill to award the medal to the Congressional Police Officers who defended the Capitol on Jan 6.

https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-tayl...103943383.html

Yet another piece of performance art from MTG. She knows exactly what she's doing with this, ie. anger her opponents while her supporters cheer her on.

Stacyhs 25th November 2021 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KDLarsen (Post 13664468)
Yet another piece of performance art from MTG. She knows exactly what she's doing with this, ie. anger her opponents while her supporters cheer her on.

She's as desperate for attention...negative or positive...as Trump.

Norman Alexander 25th November 2021 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KDLarsen (Post 13664468)
Yet another piece of performance art from MTG. She knows exactly what she's doing with this, ie. anger her opponents while her supporters cheer her on.

She is failing at the prime purpose: She isn't angering anyone. Everyone now expects these pathetic attention-grabbing stunts, and all eyes roll upwards and people just sigh when she does. I don't think there are many supporters left cheering her on outside the last few Q-crazies. Even her congressional stablemates seem to be avoiding her.

Crazy Chainsaw 26th November 2021 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KDLarsen (Post 13664468)
Yet another piece of performance art from MTG. She knows exactly what she's doing with this, ie. anger her opponents while her supporters cheer her on.

Everyone is now Laughing at her no one is angered by this stupidity.

The Don 26th November 2021 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13664650)
She is failing at the prime purpose: She isn't angering anyone. Everyone now expects these pathetic attention-grabbing stunts, and all eyes roll upwards and people just sigh when she does. I don't think there are many supporters left cheering her on outside the last few Q-crazies. Even her congressional stablemates seem to be avoiding her.

I disagree, she's raising money like crazy and isn't damaging her re-election prospects one tiny bit.

Her views mirror those of Donald Trump, the man who is currently the owner/operator of the Republican Party so IMO those views are the accepted, mainstream, views of the current day GOP not the beliefs of a crazy Q-Anon fringe.

Norman Alexander 26th November 2021 06:06 AM

I suspect we are both right.

Given the thousands of Qanon nutters STILL in Dallas awaiting JFK's return, that is the same base of cranks she is getting donations from. And while she may be echoing Donny, plenty of other wingnuts are also. She just happens to be among the loudest, dumbest wingnuts vying for TV presence. Look at Mike Pillow! MTG has an uphill battle now retaining relevance. Half trick pony.

The Don 26th November 2021 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13664808)
I suspect we are both right.

Given the thousands of Qanon nutters STILL in Dallas awaiting JFK's return, that is the same base of cranks she is getting donations from. And while she may be echoing Donny, plenty of other wingnuts are also. She just happens to be among the loudest, dumbest wingnuts vying for TV presence. Look at Mike Pillow! MTG has an uphill battle now retaining relevance. Half trick pony.

As long as she retains the support of her local party and as long as she's happy to continue running for election in her home state then she can continue in politics for as long as she chooses.

Her views have become mainstream GOP views in the Trump Republican era. By the standards of her party (which has the support of 40%+ of the US electorate) she's a mainstream candidate with mainstream views. :(

Stacyhs 26th November 2021 03:06 PM

MTG's co-conspirator in stupidity, Boebert, insulted Rep. Ilhan Omar by suggesting she was a jihadist terrorist:

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Boebert, who is known for incendiary rhetoric, appeared in the video to be addressing a group of supporters as she launched into what she said was a “jihad squad” moment at the U.S. Capitol.

Boebert said she and a staffer were in an open elevator and noticed an alarmed Capitol police officer sprinting for the door as it closed.

“What's happening? I look to my left, and there she is: Ilhan Omar,” Boebert said. “And I said, well, she doesn't have a backpack, we should be fine.”

Boebert’s audience can be heard on the video clapping and cheering in approval before she continued her anti-Muslim riff. “So we only had one floor to go,” Boebert added. “I said, ‘Oh look, the jihad squad decided to show up for work today.’”
Boebert later apologized but I doubt anyone thinks she's sincere. I know I don't.

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"I apologize to anyone in the Muslim community I offended with my comment about Rep. Omar," Boebert wrote. "I have reached out to her office to speak with her directly. There are plenty of policy differences to focus on without this unnecessary distraction."
So why did you say it, fool?

Cain 26th November 2021 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13665156)

I just read an article about this and I was surprised that I was surprised. "Wow, she actually said that. Of course she said that."

Stacyhs 26th November 2021 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cain (Post 13665230)
I just read an article about this and I was surprised that I was surprised. "Wow, she actually said that. Of course she said that."

The problem with people like Boebert and MTG is that they start to lose their ability to be shocking after a while so have to ratchet it up a peg or two. There comes a point where even that doesn't shock or surprise anymore.

Crazy Chainsaw 26th November 2021 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13665235)
The problem with people like Boebert and MTG is that they start to lose their ability to be shocking after a while so have to ratchet it up a peg or two. There comes a point where even that doesn't shock or surprise anymore.

The more shocking the show the deadlier it becomes.
Excuse my toes.

abaddon 26th November 2021 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13664808)
I suspect we are both right.

Given the thousands of Qanon nutters STILL in Dallas awaiting JFK's return, that is the same base of cranks she is getting donations from. And while she may be echoing Donny, plenty of other wingnuts are also. She just happens to be among the loudest, dumbest wingnuts vying for TV presence. Look at Mike Pillow! MTG has an uphill battle now retaining relevance. Half trick pony.

I am stuck with this one. Scheming witch or total airhead?

Stacyhs 26th November 2021 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by abaddon (Post 13665267)
I am stuck with this one. Scheming witch or total airhead?

The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Jim_MDP 26th November 2021 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13665277)
The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

They're certainly not idiots, and likely more educated and intelligent than an average Kardashian... and look how dangerously influential* they can be. [emoji15]


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* I half kid, but I honestly don't condone the continuing trend toward entitlement behavior and being "famous for being famous" (see Paris Hilton).
But then again... I don't do Tiktok challenges. [emoji1]

Stacyhs 26th November 2021 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP (Post 13665282)
They're certainly not idiots, and likely more educated and intelligent than an average Kardashian... and look how dangerously influential* they can be. [emoji15]


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* I half kid, but I honestly don't condone the continuing trend toward entitlement behavior and being "famous for being famous" (see Paris Hilton).
But then again... I don't do Tiktok challenges. [emoji1]

That alone makes you more intelligent than many people.

If I never heard the name "Kardashian" again, it would be too soon.

bruto 26th November 2021 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP (Post 13665282)
They're certainly not idiots, and likely more educated and intelligent than an average Kardashian... and look how dangerously influential* they can be. [emoji15]


.

* I half kid, but I honestly don't condone the continuing trend toward entitlement behavior and being "famous for being famous" (see Paris Hilton).
But then again... I don't do Tiktok challenges. [emoji1]

As often, I beg to differ a little here. I think that we're know by what we do, and education and apparent brains notwithstanding, a person who sacrifices sense and decency for the adulation and votes of the gullible is an idiot. More complex, perhaps, that a Forrest Gump, but ultimately both stupider and more dangerous, and with no excuse.

Jim_MDP 26th November 2021 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13665325)
As often, I beg to differ a little here. I think that we're know by what we do, and education and apparent brains notwithstanding, a person who sacrifices sense and decency for the adulation and votes of the gullible is an idiot. More complex, perhaps, that a Forrest Gump, but ultimately both stupider and more dangerous, and with no excuse.

You're using idiot colloquially and that's fine in context.
I think we agree they (Bobert, MTG, etc.) are actually dangerous for the current trends they represent. Despite any shift from concern to laughter, or the laughter dying out.... they're still dangerous.
IMO, of course.
Now .. may I interest anyone in our lovely Pod charcuterie? [emoji1]

bruto 26th November 2021 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP (Post 13665336)
You're using idiot colloquially and that's fine in context.
I think we agree they (Bobert, MTG, etc.) are actually dangerous for the current trends they represent. Despite any shift from concern to laughter, or the laughter dying out.... they're still dangerous.
IMO, of course.
Now .. may I interest anyone in our lovely Pod charcuterie? [emoji1]

I meant "idiot" in its true meaning. You can be educated and not know anything worth knowing, you can be holy without being good, and you can be clever without being intelligent. You can be just as dumb in a tuxedo as in a tee shirt, and if it takes a generation to realize how stupid you were, it doesn't make you formerly smart.

W.D.Clinger 27th November 2021 07:40 AM

Addressing the idiocy might save us from discussing possible meanings of "idiot".

carlitos 27th November 2021 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13665235)
The problem with people like Boebert and MTG is that they start to lose their ability to be shocking after a while so have to ratchet it up a peg or two. There comes a point where even that doesn't shock or surprise anymore.

Boebert in that one speech said several offensive things that would normally be completely out of bounds for a member of the House:
  • Joe Biden was "this piece of crap in the White House."
  • Ilhan Omar was part of the "jihad squad."
  • The elevator / backpack story (which could get any one of us regular citizens detained in an airport or government building)
  • Pete Buttigieg was trying to "chestfeed" his twins.
  • “God bless Kyle Rittenhouse.”
  • Black Lives Matter are "domestic terrorists."

I fear that our society is losing tact.

Norman Alexander 27th November 2021 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by abaddon (Post 13665267)
I am stuck with this one. Scheming witch or total airhead?

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Originally Posted by carlitos (Post 13665828)
Boebert in that one speech said several offensive things that would normally be completely out of bounds for a member of the House:
  • Joe Biden was "this piece of crap in the White House."
  • Ilhan Omar was part of the "jihad squad."
  • The elevator / backpack story (which could get any one of us regular citizens detained in an airport or government building)
  • Pete Buttigieg was trying to "chestfeed" his twins.
  • “God bless Kyle Rittenhouse.”
  • Black Lives Matter are "domestic terrorists."

I fear that our society is losing tact.

Low quality attention whore. VERY low quality. If it weren't for the cameras, she would be an irrelevant hillbilly loudmouth nobody from nowhere.

Norman Alexander 27th November 2021 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by abaddon (Post 13665267)
I am stuck with this one. Scheming witch or total airhead?

Total scheming airhead witch. ;)
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13665277)
The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Indeed.

There's such a thing as the cunning of the stupid. I understand that as an ability to navigate situations by being ignorant of or bypassing (usually unwritten) social or organisational rules. That does not necessarily equate to intelligence, just ignorance. Perhaps pigeon chess is an example, or Donny's golf cheating.

In the case of MTG, her ignorance revolves around decorum and honesty. The job of an elected member should be based on both of these unwritten rules. Decorum on the job and towards the electorate, and honesty in all public and private dealings. It goes towards being a valuable and contributing representative.

MTG has neither decorum nor honesty. It's her "brand"; she is not the only one. While she calls it "telling it like it is", her lack of honesty cost her the committee positions and relevance even inside her own party. Not even Mitch wants to work with her. Now she is being found to be involved in the 6-Jan insurrection, a situation most senior experienced Republicans would dearly like to see in the rear-view mirror but know that they are saddled with it while Trumpism holds sway. She can't get much more dishonest than to be involved, then lie that she was not, and then to be found out.

With no political skills beyond self-aggrandisement, MTG's continued indecorous attempts at public notoriety are rapidly costing her attention from the media. She's gotten boring. Even her outbursts in public are worthy of only a few chuckles. "Oh yeah. Her again. Boring."

Stacyhs 28th November 2021 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by carlitos (Post 13665828)
Boebert in that one speech said several offensive things that would normally be completely out of bounds for a member of the House:
  • Joe Biden was "this piece of crap in the White House."
  • Ilhan Omar was part of the "jihad squad."
  • The elevator / backpack story (which could get any one of us regular citizens detained in an airport or government building)
  • Pete Buttigieg was trying to "chestfeed" his twins.
  • “God bless Kyle Rittenhouse.”
  • Black Lives Matter are "domestic terrorists."

I fear that our society is losing tact.

There was a time when the party leaders/senior members would never have put up with this kind of behavior, especially from loudmouthed, attention-seeking newbies. But now? Not only do they do or say nothing about it, when other members do call them out, the party leaders run to the fools' defense.

Just when I think the GOP couldn't get any more crazy and disgusting, they keep stepping it up to another level.

Warp12 28th November 2021 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by carlitos (Post 13665828)
Boebert in that one speech said several offensive things that would normally be completely out of bounds for a member of the House:
  • Joe Biden was "this piece of crap in the White House."
  • Ilhan Omar was part of the "jihad squad."
  • The elevator / backpack story (which could get any one of us regular citizens detained in an airport or government building)
  • Pete Buttigieg was trying to "chestfeed" his twins.
  • “God bless Kyle Rittenhouse.”
  • Black Lives Matter are "domestic terrorists."

I fear that our society is losing tact.

What is offensive about her comment on Rittenhouse?

The Great Zaganza 28th November 2021 04:44 AM

What did Rittenhouse do that is particularly praiseworthy?

Warp12 28th November 2021 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13666201)
What did Rittenhouse do that is particularly praiseworthy?

What is offensive about her comment on Rittenhouse?

Crazy Chainsaw 28th November 2021 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13666202)
What is offensive about her comment on Rittenhouse?

Rittenhouse did nothing Heroic worthy of Recognition, he didn't go to the protest to protect Human Life and If he hadn't been there two people would still be Alive.

Warp12 28th November 2021 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw (Post 13666301)
Rittenhouse did nothing Heroic worthy of Recognition, he didn't go to the protest to protect Human Life and If he hadn't been there two people would still be Alive.

I don't find her comment offensive at all. I don't want to get too far into the Rittenhouse case, but he was found not guilty of all charges. And a Christian saying "God bless him" is really no big deal.

Certainly there is plenty of legitimate criticism to lob at her, but this isn't one of those cases, imo.

BobTheCoward 28th November 2021 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw (Post 13666301)
Rittenhouse did nothing Heroic worthy of Recognition, he didn't go to the protest to protect Human Life and If he hadn't been there two people would still be Alive.

That sounds a lot like blaming the victim. If.he wasn't lawfully there he wouldn't have been attacked?

pgwenthold 28th November 2021 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13666308)
I don't find her comment offensive at all. I don't want to get too far into the Rittenhouse case, but he was found not guilty of all charges. And a Christian saying "God bless him" is really no big deal.

Certainly there is plenty of legitimate criticism to lob at her, but this isn't one of those cases, imo.

Earlier this week, you whined about posters who said they wouldn't mourn if someone died of natural causes.

Now you are defending someone who is praising a person who killed others.

We all know tour duplicity, but at some point, you may see it yourself.

Crazy Chainsaw 28th November 2021 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward (Post 13666332)
That sounds a lot like blaming the victim. If.he wasn't lawfully there he wouldn't have been attacked?

Were you there the Law does not allow for deadly force to be used to Protect Property the fact he was found not Guilty in Criminal Court only means the Prosecution wasn't able to prove it wasn't self defense. A Jury in a Civil Lawsuit isn't held to such High standards and might find him responsible based on the same evidence and Ruin his life forever with q multimillion dollar verdict.
Either way he wasn't there to protect Life just Property.
Sad state of affairs when that becomes the values of Christians.


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