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kevbo 2nd January 2022 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13693094)
Instead of banning, Twitter should sue these grifters for 95% of the money they raise with their propaganda..
That would stop disinformation overnight.

If only. But I do like the idea of trying to find some way to deny her, and her ilk, their ill gotten gains. Financial hurt would seem to be the only thing she might understand. Although, anyone that goes after her will just be fodder for her grift machine. There must be some way out of the madness. :(

kevbo 2nd January 2022 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13693324)
She still has her @RepMTG Twitter account.
.

Come on, now. I am sure she can rise to the challenge of getting even her government account suspended. After all, she appears to have no limits to her stupidity. Just give her time. (Could be a topic for an office pool maybe.) :rolleyes:

kevbo 2nd January 2022 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13693404)
Lauren Boebert tweeted

@laurenboebert
·
8h
Twitter permanently suspended a sitting US President.

They’ve now permanently suspended a sitting member of US Congress.

Of course, both from the same party.

They forget that in 2022 we are taking back the House and we WILL be holding them accountable!

I do believe they both live in a fantasy land somewhere down a rabbit hole. But, between Boebert and MTG, forget Tweedledee, I am not sure which one is Tweedledum and which is Tweedledummer. They both seem to think they are the Queen of Hearts, and of course, she is stark raving mad by any definition of lunacy.

smartcooky 2nd January 2022 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kevbo (Post 13693410)
I do believe they both live in a fantasy land somewhere down a rabbit hole. But, between Boebert and MTG, forget Tweedledee, I am not sure which one is Tweedledum and which is Tweedledummer. They both seem to think they are the Queen of Hearts, and of course, she is stark raving mad by any definition of lunacy.

Not to mention that there is absolutely no practical way they could "hold Twitter accountable". If they try, Twitter will simply show them a hand with the middle finger extended upwards. They simply move their headquarters to another country an operate outside of US Government reach.

kookbreaker 2nd January 2022 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13693404)
Lauren Boebert tweeted

@laurenboebert
·
8h
Twitter permanently suspended a sitting US President.

They’ve now permanently suspended a sitting member of US Congress.

Of course, both from the same party.

They forget that in 2022 we are taking back the House and we WILL be holding them accountable!

Oh, so those two are going to implement socialism?

Stacyhs 2nd January 2022 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13693404)
Lauren Boebert tweeted

@laurenboebert
·
8h
Twitter permanently suspended a sitting US President.

They’ve now permanently suspended a sitting member of US Congress.

Of course, both from the same party.

They forget that in 2022 we are taking back the House and we WILL be holding them accountable!

I hate to break it to her but Trump had the Senate and the presidency when he was kicked off Twitter. They couldn't do anything about it then and they won't be able to do anything about it in 2022 when Biden l is still in office. She really has no clue. To think that ignoramuses like her get elected to Congress says more about the voters than her.

MRC_Hans 3rd January 2022 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13693446)
I hate to break it to her but Trump had the Senate and the presidency when he was kicked off Twitter. They couldn't do anything about it then and they won't be able to do anything about it in 2022 when Biden l is still in office. She really has no clue. To think that ignoramuses like her get elected to Congress says more about the voters than her.

You make the mistake of assuming that their statements are intended to reflect reality in any way.

Hans

JoeMorgue 3rd January 2022 06:27 AM

You also assume she meant "Official in channel, by process legal and government repercussions" and not "Hey one of my cult members, go shoot this place up for me, wink wink"

Crossbow 3rd January 2022 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13693446)
I hate to break it to her but Trump had the Senate and the presidency when he was kicked off Twitter. They couldn't do anything about it then and they won't be able to do anything about it in 2022 when Biden l is still in office. She really has no clue. To think that ignoramuses like her get elected to Congress says more about the voters than her.

Quite true!

By the election of MTG, once again it is clearly demonstrated that us Americans are getting the government that us Americans deserve.

kevbo 3rd January 2022 10:42 AM

MTG suspended from Facebook for 24 hours.

wasapi 3rd January 2022 10:56 AM

This - creature - is obviously insane. I would like to see her permanently banned from - well, everywhere.

The Great Zaganza 3rd January 2022 11:02 AM

using your platform as a Representative to spread anti-vax propaganda is a clear violation of her Oath of Office, and she should be sanctioned for it: it's not in the interest of her constituents to die avoidably of covid, nor does it help her district to flood the hospitals.

JoeMorgue 3rd January 2022 11:06 AM

It's why trolls on the Right and their enablers in general discourse has tried frame every discussion about how comically to the point of absurdly wrong they are as a "free speech" argument.

Everything is about "their right' to say this or that and never about how functionally wrong and dangerous as misinformation it is.

It's always why everything is "an opinion."

Norman Alexander 3rd January 2022 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13693772)
It's why trolls on the Right and their enablers in general discourse has tried frame every discussion about how comically to the point of absurdly wrong they are as a "free speech" argument.

Everything is about "their right' to say this or that and never about how functionally wrong and dangerous as misinformation it is.

It's always why everything is "an opinion."

At the risk of Godwinning...

Then Chamberlain's "peace in our time" speech was just "an opinion" about European stability at the time. As was his declaration of war shortly after just "an opinion" about British government policy. So was Churchill's "we shall never surrender" outburst. The Final Solution was simply acquiescence to Der Fuhrer's "opinions" about "the Jewish problem". Kennedy's space-race speech, MLK's "I have a dream" speech...just opinions. All these opinions were just so much talk, and nothing ever came of them, remember?

Words matter. MTG's "opinions" are not dismissible. She is a vile and ignorant piece of work, and letting her just continue to spew her hatreds is not "free speech". It's hate speech. I do believe there's laws against this.

kevbo 3rd January 2022 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wasapi (Post 13693765)
This - creature - is obviously insane. I would like to see her permanently banned from - well, everywhere.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13693900)
At the risk of Godwinning...

Then Chamberlain's "peace in our time" speech was just "an opinion" about European stability at the time. As was his declaration of war shortly after just "an opinion" about British government policy. So was Churchill's "we shall never surrender" outburst. The Final Solution was simply acquiescence to Der Fuhrer's "opinions" about "the Jewish problem". Kennedy's space-race speech, MLK's "I have a dream" speech...just opinions. All these opinions were just so much talk, and nothing ever came of them, remember?

Words matter. MTG's "opinions" are not dismissible. She is a vile and ignorant piece of work, and letting her just continue to spew her hatreds is not "free speech". It's hate speech. I do believe there's laws against this.

I agree with all of this.

gnome 3rd January 2022 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13693900)
Words matter. MTG's "opinions" are not dismissible. She is a vile and ignorant piece of work, and letting her just continue to spew her hatreds is not "free speech". It's hate speech. I do believe there's laws against this.

Honestly there is no "hate speech" distinction in free speech principles.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-using/596506/

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Originally Posted by Ken "Popehat" White
"Hate speech is not free speech."

There is an admirable growing social consensus that it’s despicable to denigrate people based on ethnicity, religion, or sexuality. But most despicable speech is protected by the First Amendment. Contrary to the popular slogan, there is no hate-speech exception to the First Amendment. Particular examples of hateful speech may satisfy the established tests for the true-threats or incitement exceptions, but they’re not unprotected just because they’re hateful.

The guiding principle here in the MTG-Twitter situation is that free speech laws restrict the government, not private entities.

kevbo 3rd January 2022 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gnome (Post 13694013)
Honestly there is no "hate speech" distinction in free speech principles.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-using/596506/



The guiding principle here in the MTG-Twitter situation is that free speech laws restrict the government, not private entities.

You are correct. But I believe some places are using a history of hate-speech to allow charges of hate-crimes to be brought against an individual that commits or incites a crime. So, not for the speech itself as a crime, but as a mitigating factor. MTG, like her idol Donnie, gets real close sometimes to incitement, in my view.

Jim_MDP 4th January 2022 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kevbo (Post 13694031)
You are correct. But I believe some places are using a history of hate-speech to allow charges of hate-crimes to be brought against an individual that commits or incites a crime. So, not for the speech itself as a crime, but as a mitigating factor. MTG, like her idol Donnie, gets real close sometimes to incitement, in my view.

Then they're both fine.

AIUI, barring future precedent or adjustment... hate speech laws reference "protected classes", usually less defended and/or minority persons, not "sane people"... though we could join either group quite soon if things keep up. [emoji3525]

Crap... that's too maudlin even for me.
Barkeep! [emoji1]

Segnosaur 4th January 2022 12:13 PM

An... interesting... feud...

From: Yahoo News
Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas) said Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) is either a Democrat or an “idiot” as the war of words between the two intensified. Last week, Crenshaw called on President Joe Biden to use the Federal Emergency Management Agency to help with coronavirus testing and aid hospitals....Greene, a conspiracy theorist who has downplayed the virus, dismissed omicron as “sneezes, coughs and runny noses” and attacked Crenshaw for the suggestion.

Sorry Crenshaw... MTG is not "a democrat". She is a republican. Her voter base is largely your voter base. She probably shares virtually all of the same policy goals that you do. You voted for Trump ~99% of the time (i.e. the one who seems to be behind much of the current chaos). Unless you are actually willing to do something about MTG and Trump, you cannot absolve yourself from those people.

JoeMorgue 4th January 2022 12:17 PM

Making big shows of infighting.... whenever it doesn't actually matter.... is something the Right is annoyingly good at.

plague311 4th January 2022 01:38 PM

What an awesome headline:

What does Marjorie Taylor Greene do all day?

It might shock you to learn this, and I can save you some time, but she doesn't do anything.

JoeMorgue 4th January 2022 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by plague311 (Post 13695043)
What an awesome headline:

What does Marjorie Taylor Greene do all day?

It might shock you to learn this, and I can save you some time, but she doesn't do anything.

The problem is this sort "Don't anything but obstructionism and trolling" thing sells really well to the "We deserve to be punished for letting the government get too big" crowd.

The sad part is "Someone in Congress who sits around twiddling their thumbs except for harassing other Congressmembers and just being a contrarian douche canoe" is a feature, not a bug, to a lot of people on the Right.

Resume 4th January 2022 03:24 PM

What does Marjorie Taylor Greene do all day?

Grift.

Jim_MDP 4th January 2022 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13695166)
What does Marjorie Taylor Greene do all day?

Grift.

The sad part? She may not actually see it that way.
Many of her constituents don't seem to. [emoji3525]
And jebus knows... she's not the only such critter on the hill.

Stacyhs 5th January 2022 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP (Post 13695176)
The sad part? She may not actually see it that way.
Many of her constituents don't seem to. [emoji3525]
And jebus knows... she's not the only such critter on the hill.

Thus the saying: A fool and his money are soon parted.

Warp12 5th January 2022 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13693446)
I hate to break it to her but Trump had the Senate and the presidency when he was kicked off Twitter. They couldn't do anything about it then and they won't be able to do anything about it in 2022 when Biden l is still in office.

It's not like the GOP has to play the extra-long game, here. If they gain control of both the house and senate this year, that is going to be a very good spot to be in...especially when you consider that Biden and Harris are still top contenders for the biggest losers of 2024.

The thing is, I don't really see Twitter and FB being the major focus when that level of control is gained. There are much bigger fish to fry, at that point. And that pan will be nicely heated, by then.

The Great Zaganza 5th January 2022 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13695486)
It's not like the GOP has to play the extra-long game, here. If they gain control of both the house and senate this year, that is going to be a very good spot to be in...especially when you consider that Biden and Harris are still top contenders for the biggest losers of 2024.

The thing is, I don't really see Twitter and FB being the major focus when that level of control is gained. There are much bigger fish to fry, at that point. And that pan will be nicely heated, by then.

enlighten me: what do you think Republicans WILL do if they hold Congress?
Not what they should do, but what you actually predict they will?

Warp12 5th January 2022 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13695486)
It's not like the GOP has to play the extra-long game, here. If they gain control of both the house and senate this year, that is going to be a very good spot to be in...especially when you consider that Biden and Harris are still top contenders for the biggest losers of 2024.

The thing is, I don't really see Twitter and FB being the major focus when that level of control is gained. There are much bigger fish to fry, at that point. And that pan will be nicely heated, by then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13695493)
enlighten me: what do you think Republicans WILL do if they hold Congress?
Not what they should do, but what you actually predict they will?

With the Presidency, House, Senate, and Supreme Court locked up? The sky is the limit. So many possibilities. :)

The Don 5th January 2022 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13695498)
With the Presidency, House, Senate, and Supreme Court locked up? The sky is the limit. So many possibilities. :)

That was the position that President Trump was in, but didn't manage to achieve many of his key policies like the repeal of the ACA, the building of the Southern Wall (and getting Mexico to pay for it), improving the US balance of payments (especially w.r.t. China) and so on.

What are the headline GOP policies for 2024 and how will they actually go about passing the required legislation ?

The Great Zaganza 5th January 2022 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13695498)
With the Presidency, House, Senate, and Supreme Court locked up? The sky is the limit. So many possibilities. :)

So give an example of what you believe Republicans will do.

Warp12 5th January 2022 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13695501)
That was the position that President Trump was in, but didn't manage to achieve many of his key policies like the repeal of the ACA, the building of the Southern Wall (and getting Mexico to pay for it), improving the US balance of payments (especially w.r.t. China) and so on.

What are the headline GOP policies for 2024 and how will they actually go about passing the required legislation ?

I feel as though the political climate is a lot different now, and more aggressive. I think there will be some payback in mind. I can't predict the future, but I see some retaliatory legislation being passed.

I hope the GOP has a more savvy operator than Trump, by that point.

The Great Zaganza 5th January 2022 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13695509)
I feel as though the political climate is a lot different now, and more aggressive. I think there will be some payback in mind. I can't predict the future, but I see some retaliatory legislation being passed.

I hope the GOP has a more savvy operator than Trump, by that point.

examples?

The Don 5th January 2022 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13695509)
I feel as though the political climate is a lot different now, and more aggressive. I think there will be some payback in mind. I can't predict the future, but I see some retaliatory legislation being passed.

I hope the GOP has a more savvy operator than Trump, by that point.

More aggressive than a GOP purely focused on obstructionism and prepared to overturn a legitimate election result through lies and violence ? :confused:

What kind of retaliatory legislation do you have in mind ? Making it illegal to be a member of the Democratic Party ? Wholesale disenfranchisement of people likely to vote Democrat ? De-funding of blue states ?

Warp12 5th January 2022 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13695511)
examples?

Let your imagination run wild. Do you really think it is a promising position for Dems to be in? I like the idea of the Dems just rolling over, and pretending it is no big deal, though.

We all know the major political talking points. By 2024, Dems will have been lobbing those stones hard, for 8 years. And the GOP response, if they have that level of control, will likely be legendary.

The Great Zaganza 5th January 2022 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13695514)
Let your imagination run wild. Do you really think it is a promising position for Dems to be in? I like the idea of the Dems just rolling over, and pretending it is no big deal, though.

We all know the major political talking points. By 2024, Dems will have been lobbing those stones hard, for 8 years. And the GOP response, if they have that level of control, will likely be legendary.

Do you realize that when asked what you think Republicans will do, you instead evade and talk about what Democrats have done?

Could it be that you can't actually think of an actual Republican agenda beyond denying Democrats any win?

Captain_Swoop 5th January 2022 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13695514)
Let your imagination run wild. Do you really think it is a promising position for Dems to be in? I like the idea of the Dems just rolling over, and pretending it is no big deal, though.

We all know the major political talking points. By 2024, Dems will have been lobbing those stones hard, for 8 years. And the GOP response, if they have that level of control, will likely be legendary.

Arrests of political opponents? Outlawing political parties? Executions? Restricting voting rights for people of the wrong ethnicity? Return of slavery? Expulsion of immigrants?

Give us a clue?

Crossbow 5th January 2022 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by plague311 (Post 13695043)
What an awesome headline:

What does Marjorie Taylor Greene do all day?

It might shock you to learn this, and I can save you some time, but she doesn't do anything.

When that stupid, idiotic, lying, greedy, POS Trump was in the White House, then he usually had large blocks of free time available every day that he would spend watching TV and surfing the Internet.

His staff called these absences "Executive Time".

I expect that stupid, idiotic, lying, greedy, POS Greene does the same sort of thing when she is in her Congressional office.

Warp12 5th January 2022 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13695520)
Do you realize that when asked what you think Republicans will do, you instead evade and talk about what Democrats have done?

Could it be that you can't actually think of an actual Republican agenda beyond denying Democrats any win?

I like how the focus is on what some internet rando predicts the impending onslaught could be. Not even denying the impending doom. Ass up, basically.

It's like asking, how will they lay it to us? Piledriver style, inverted reverse cowgirl, or maybe while we eat from a dog dish labeled with ancient Hebrew text?

JoeMorgue 5th January 2022 06:30 AM

When was the last time any Republican (including all "I'm totally not a Republican because I parrot the 'Both Sides are the Same' lie Republicans) actually answered a question or made a point?

Crazy Chainsaw 5th January 2022 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Warp12 (Post 13695514)
Let your imagination run wild. Do you really think it is a promising position for Dems to be in? I like the idea of the Dems just rolling over, and pretending it is no big deal, though.

We all know the major political talking points. By 2024, Dems will have been lobbing those stones hard, for 8 years. And the GOP response, if they have that level of control, will likely be legendary.

How will Republicans explain away putting a Russian useful idiot who takes advise from conspiracy theorists, in the White House in 2024 along with Trumpsters obvious racism?


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