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The Atheist 14th March 2019 06:59 PM

Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?
 
It appears we have an active shooter at mosques in Christchurch, who has killed several people.

I'll keep updating as more is known.

The Atheist 14th March 2019 07:01 PM

Not only is the shooter still at large, current reports have shots at Christchurch Hospital, where the injured are being taken.

The Atheist 14th March 2019 07:04 PM

Crikey, the site of the mosque at the centre of the attack is next to Hagley Park.

I hope the cricket's ok for tomorrow.

deadrose 14th March 2019 07:06 PM

My condolences to NZ.

arthwollipot 14th March 2019 07:06 PM

The Bangladesh team is safe.

The Atheist 14th March 2019 07:06 PM

Update says that the shooting was with an automatic weapon (very rare in NZ) and went on for at least several minutes. The city is fairly well locked down everywhere.

Cop chopper is looking for the perp now - still at large.

The Atheist 14th March 2019 07:12 PM

Update saying there were 2-300 people in the mosque at prayer, with possibly most of them at least injured.

Truly bizarre, this kind of stuff doesn't happen here.

But if it was going to, it was going to be in Christchurch.

The Atheist 14th March 2019 07:18 PM

Certainly a lot of ambulances and stretchers going into Christchurch Hospital.

Going by the calmness of the people there I'd say the hospital is safe.

arthwollipot 14th March 2019 07:19 PM

There's a report of a bomb in a car on Strickland St.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...-incident-live

The Atheist 14th March 2019 07:24 PM

Damn, when we hit the international news desks we hit it hard.

William Parcher 14th March 2019 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Atheist (Post 12632896)
shooting was with an automatic weapon (very rare in NZ)

Is that fully automatic (machine gun), or semi-auto?

Wow there are a lot of injured and there must be deaths it would seem.

arthwollipot 14th March 2019 07:33 PM

ABC: Christchurch mosque shooting sees armed police deployed and schools in lockdown; up to a dozen injured

BBC: New Zealand mosque shooting: Active shooter reported at Christchurch mosque

CNN: Reported mass shooting at mosque in New Zealand city of Christchurch

What we know so far:

Quote:

At 1:40pm a gunman entered the Masjid Al Noor Mosque in central Christchurch and opened fire
There are reports of casualties with local media are reporting at least six dead, though police have not confirmed the number of those injured or dead.
This is an active shooter situation, with police responding to more gunshots fired at other locations across the city.
The city remains under lockdown, with central Christchurch evacuated, children who were participating in the climate strikes were evacuated, schools are under lockdown.
Police have confirmed to the Guardian that there is a bomb in a car that has crashed on Strickland Street in the city. People are being evacuated from the area.
Police are entering properties in Deyell Crescent, they are telling evacuees “you don’t want to know what is happening”.
Prime minister Jacinda Ardern cancelled all her afternoon activities and is set to address media at 4pm local time (in about half an hour).
source, just now.

cullennz 14th March 2019 07:34 PM

Hagley mosque and Linwood mosque simultaneousy at Friday prayer time.

Multiple magazines and multiple casualties.

Geezes

All schools, council buildings in lockdown.

cullennz 14th March 2019 07:36 PM

Reports from people in the mosque say they think 20-30 dead/badly injured

Stacko 14th March 2019 07:37 PM

The shooter livestreamed the shooting on Facebook.

cullennz 14th March 2019 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 12632918)
The shooter livestreamed the shooting on Facebook.

I have seen what is apparently their Twitter

Nutjob

William Parcher 14th March 2019 07:42 PM

I don't know anything about the religious situation in New Zealand. Are there many people there who hate Muslims and want to kill them? If so, are the haters Christians or Jewish, or what?

cullennz 14th March 2019 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Parcher (Post 12632922)
I don't know anything about the religious situation in New Zealand. Are there many people there who hate Muslims and want to kill them? If so, are the haters Christians or Jewish, or what?

Not really to speak of.

We are one of the most non religious country's in the world

We have racists like every where. But they all tend to get sheepish when called on it

The Atheist 14th March 2019 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Parcher (Post 12632912)
Is that fully automatic (machine gun), or semi-auto?

That claim was a full auto, but I expect it will be a semi.

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Parcher (Post 12632912)
Wow there are a lot of injured and there must be deaths it would seem.

Hard to tell - the cops have released very little information, but the numbers going to the hospital don't seem to be in the dozens so far.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cullennz (Post 12632917)
Reports from people in the mosque say they think 20-30 dead/badly injured

I heard 20-30 on the ground.

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Parcher (Post 12632922)
I don't know anything about the religious situation in New Zealand. Are there many people there who hate Muslims and want to kill them? If so, are the haters Christians or Jewish, or what?

None of the above, usually. We're largely religious-mania free.

Clearly a planned attack at the worst time.

arthwollipot 14th March 2019 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Parcher (Post 12632912)
Is that fully automatic (machine gun), or semi-auto?

Early reports said automatic. That hasn't been repeated as far as I can see. It would be VERY unusual if that were the case. I think it's far more likely to be semi-auto, but nothing has been confirmed yet.

The Atheist 14th March 2019 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cullennz (Post 12632921)
I have seen what is apparently their Twitter

Nutjob

They're saying that's definitely his.

Just another complete WS loony.

Where the hell did he get the gun? I wouldn't want to be the bloke who sold it to him.

The Atheist 14th March 2019 07:50 PM

Holy crap - the guy was so extreme he got booted off Mega back when Kim Dotcom owned it.

Some heads at the SIS will be rolling here.

The Atheist 14th March 2019 07:54 PM

The #1 reporter at the hospital reckons 20-25 ambulances have arrived at hospital and none in the past half hour or so.

Casualties may hopefully have been overstated.

Was wearing camo gear... (David Gray have any living relatives?)

William Parcher 14th March 2019 07:54 PM

From Wikipedia...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Christianity is the predominant religion in New Zealand, although its society is among the most secular in the world. In the 2013 census, 55.0% of the population identified with one or more religions, including 49.0% identifying as Christians. Another 41.9% indicated that they had no religion. The main Christian denominations are, by number of adherents, Roman Catholicism (12.6%), Anglicanism (11.8%), Presbyterianism (8.5%) and "Christian not further defined" (i.e. people identifying as Christian but not stating the denomination, 5.5%). The Māori-based Ringatū and Rātana religions (1.4%) are also Christian in origin. Immigration and demographic change in recent decades has contributed to the growth of minority religions, such as Hinduism (2.1%), Buddhism (1.5%), Islam (1.2%) and Sikhism (0.5%). The Auckland Region exhibited the greatest religious diversity.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand

So, it's 49% Christian and 1.2% Islam.

PhantomWolf 14th March 2019 07:54 PM

I have sort of skimmed through the thread, but latest reports are 9 dead

William Parcher 14th March 2019 07:56 PM

This is one attacker?

He's shooting up the mosque and then the hospital and then the car bomb is his too?

PhantomWolf 14th March 2019 07:59 PM

Two Mosques attacked, this is a terrorist act.

cullennz 14th March 2019 07:59 PM

Geezes

Radio live saying a newshub source says at least 27 dead so far.

Reliability of source hope not good

Cops said they have caught one

arthwollipot 14th March 2019 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Parcher (Post 12632938)
This is one attacker?

He's shooting up the mosque and then the hospital and then the car bomb is his too?

We don't know yet. This is an ongoing, active situation. Check my links upthread for live blogs.

PhantomWolf 14th March 2019 08:03 PM

NZ Herald is saying that they have a shooter in custody. The guy claiming responsibility is a Australian!

PhantomWolf 14th March 2019 08:05 PM

Quote:

The man said he did not originally plan to carry out the attack in New Zealand. He said he came to New Zealand temporarily to plan and train.

"I soon found out that New Zealand was as target rich of an environment as anywhere
else in the West," he wrote.

"Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilisation, that no where in the world was safe, the invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass immigration."
This is Terrorism, plain and simply. Also a hate crime.

arthwollipot 14th March 2019 08:07 PM

Yes, one suspect in custody, confirmed by the PM.

Checkmite 14th March 2019 08:08 PM

The gunman shot up one mosque, and then another a few minutes later. The hospital was placed on lockdown but as yet officials haven't said anything about any shooting there, or anywhere else except the two mosques. The hospital lockdown was precautionary perhaps.

PhantomWolf 14th March 2019 08:08 PM

Police are saying there may have been at least 2 gunmen.

arthwollipot 14th March 2019 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf (Post 12632947)
This is Terrorism, plain and simply. Also a hate crime.

What's the source on that quote?

Skeptic Ginger 14th March 2019 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 12632955)
What's the source on that quote?

Common sense?

PhantomWolf 14th March 2019 08:11 PM

Worse day since Aramoana

arthwollipot 14th March 2019 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 12632956)
Common sense?

No, the quote that PhantomWolf quoted, which doesn't nest inside another quote.

ETA: This one:

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf
Quote:

The man said he did not originally plan to carry out the attack in New Zealand. He said he came to New Zealand temporarily to plan and train.

"I soon found out that New Zealand was as target rich of an environment as anywhere
else in the West," he wrote.

"Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilisation, that no where in the world was safe, the invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass immigration."


William Parcher 14th March 2019 08:12 PM

NZ Herald has photos. He brought multiple guns including shotguns.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12213076

William Parcher 14th March 2019 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 12632961)
No, the quote that PhantomWolf quoted, which doesn't nest inside another quote.

NZ Herald says...

Quote:

In a 74-page manifesto published online he outlined who he was and why he carried out the massacre at the Christchurch mosque.
So his manifesto is online and that's where that quote comes from?


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