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beachnut 23rd January 2020 06:15 PM
yankee451 published nonsense in a video
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964510)
Some frame by frame analysis of the Hezarkhani footage here:

https://youtu.be/2Gpr-jtWCNc

Ask and you shall receive. Now I would like to see the same from you fine boyznberries. Show me your analysis of how the head on jet impact created the lateral bends to the steel.
Proof Flight 175 hit the WTC, and you can't grasp the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEczx-8xZI

Then trying to prove the video is fake you prove you make up more BS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gpr...ature=youtu.be

Your video is real, and contains more BS, and false information, fails to prove the real video is fake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEczx-8xZI

You failed to prove any video was fake.

Elagabalus 23rd January 2020 06:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964593)
Not perfect at a granular level? So the plane wing that was at once so dense it could sharply bend steel columns in a completely different direction than it was traveling, couldn't sever the cladding that was wrapped around the column it severed.

Don't look now but I think that cladding is flipping you the bird.
Yawn. That doesn't exclude the possibility that the cladding was catastrophically pushed out of the way and then unfurled like a sheet of paper and yet was still attached to at least one of its mounting points. But, hold on, why are we going by yet another one of your bare assertions again when you're not an expert? The plane hit the building and caused **** to happen.

Robin 23rd January 2020 06:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964593)
Not perfect at a granular level? So the plane wing that was at once so dense it could sharply bend steel columns in a completely different direction than it was traveling, couldn't sever the cladding that was wrapped around the column it severed.
It severed the cladding at the front, hence the big hole in the front of the cladding which you are pretending isn't there. It didn't completely sever the cladding at the side. As I have pointed out a number of ways something does not have to sever the cladding from front to back to back in order to damage the column severely.

You have had absolutely no come back to that.
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Don't look now but I think that cladding is flipping you the bird.
I am still waiting for you to explain how a big cruise missile with it's airframe still largely intact could fit through that little gap. Waiting, waiting ....

I think the bird is being flipped at your missile theory.

JSanderO 23rd January 2020 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964583)
I have yet to see one honest assessment.
That is rubbish... for whatever reason you don't agree with the assessment of others... but I doubt they are being dishonest and knowingly lying...

On the other hand.... people like Tony Sz, Gage and others have been shown the mistakes in their "thinking"/presentation and they refuse to change... indicating both stubbornness, willful ignorance and deceit.

waypastvne 23rd January 2020 06:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964593)

Don't look now but I think that cladding is flipping you the bird.
OK Yankee it's your turn at bat.

I have picked this column. It has been rotated about 140 deg on it's horizontal axis. Can you explain to us how a missile coming in at a shallow angle from the left can twist this column to that angle.

https://i.imgur.com/AP0wQJD.jpg

A 767 flying straight into the wall explains it easily.

Regnad Kcin 23rd January 2020 07:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964495)
Oh, it’s proof all right.

Regnad Kcin 23rd January 2020 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Robin (Post 12964536)
It is not sliding in like butter. It is shattering as it goes.
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bruto 23rd January 2020 07:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964583)
I have yet to see one honest assessment.
Unless you can prove you took the picture yourself, and that you're not one of the millions of shills, paid actors and conspirators who set up what you claim now to be a massive deception, you have disqualified your own evidence. If your assertions are true, the only honest assessment needed here is that your picture is worthless.

Robin 23rd January 2020 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964593)
Not perfect at a granular level? So the plane wing that was at once so dense it could sharply bend steel columns in a completely different direction than it was traveling, couldn't sever the cladding that was wrapped around the column it severed.
At I say, when the front of the wing hits the cladding can be pushed back even before the wing impacts the underlying steel:

https://robinsrevision.files.wordpre...e-17.png?w=320

Again, I am not sure why you think this can't happen.

And still waiting to hear how the alleged cruise missile hit that cladding from the side and the side survived.

And waiting to hear how the largely intact air frame of the missile somehow managed to fit through that narrow gap between the cladding and the column.

beachnut 23rd January 2020 08:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin (Post 12964680)
...
The old hot knife through butter analogy for paranoid conspiracy theorists, and bad video analyst.

yankee451 23rd January 2020 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bruto (Post 12964706)
Unless you can prove you took the picture yourself, and that you're not one of the millions of shills, paid actors and conspirators who set up what you claim now to be a massive deception, you have disqualified your own evidence. If your assertions are true, the only honest assessment needed here is that your picture is worthless.
Please.

The pictures were good enough to justify the invasion, looting and occupation of sovereign nations. The Washington Post, that has never met a war it didn't love, has exposed the lies that got the US into Pipelinistan. But even if everything we were told about 9/11 is true, to murder tens of thousands of totally innocent people over the actions of a few individuals who were already dead anyway, is barbaric, and not the act of a civilized people.

beachnut 23rd January 2020 08:50 PM
unqualified attempt ends poorly, fails to make a point
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964510)
Some frame by frame analysis of the Hezarkhani footage here:
https://youtu.be/2Gpr-jtWCNc ...
One of top bad analysis seen. It is so bad, it is funny.

That is not analysis, it is joke.
But your stuff is, Excellent tutorial on how not to do a video analysis.

1. Don't put in fictional Movie clips to support the nonsense you make up.
2. Don't add speculation based on failed "common sense".

Try to get the highest resolution video, not a copy. This is why you made some false statements on your failed analysis, you did not have anything close to the original video. Which is why you may have used common sense to come up with common errors by non-experts like yourself.

Your video shows you are not qualified to analyse video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEczx-8xZI

you failed to prove video is fake, Big Failure

yankee451 23rd January 2020 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beachnut (Post 12964748)
One of top bad analysis seen. It is so bad, it is funny.

That is not analysis, it is joke.
But your stuff is, Excellent tutorial on how not to do a video analysis.

1. Don't put in fictional Movie clips to support the nonsense you make up.
2. Don't add speculation based on failed "common sense".

Try to get the highest resolution video, not a copy. This is why you made some false statements on your failed analysis, you did not have anything close to the original video. Which is why you may have used common sense to come up with common errors by non-experts like yourself.

Your video shows you are not qualified to analyse video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEczx-8xZI

you failed to prove video is fake, Big Failure
The first nine columns from the left of both impact holes are enough to prove the US military launched missiles at the Twin Towers as part of a ruse to drum up support for long planned aggressive war. The US Airforce, which was tasked with protecting US Airspace, ought to be top of the list of suspects.

beachnut 23rd January 2020 08:59 PM
You lie because of war - and are off topic -
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964747)
Please.

The pictures were good enough to justify the invasion, looting and occupation of sovereign nations. The Washington Post, that has never met a war it didn't love, has exposed the lies that got the US into Pipelinistan. But even if everything we were told about 9/11 is true, to murder tens of thousands of totally innocent people over the actions of a few individuals who were already dead anyway, is barbaric, and not the act of a civilized people.
19 terrorists did 9/11, are we suppose to let the camps remain in Afghanistan?
Do miss UBL? He promised to kill American when and where he could, and you give him a free pass.

Why lie, you may of lost credibility by spreading stupid lies - your anti-war message is lost due to insane lies.

You are off topic.

You claim... (and the video might be a great example for Gish Gallop - look it up yankee451)
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964510)
Some frame by frame analysis of the Hezarkhani footage here:
https://youtu.be/2Gpr-jtWCNc ...
As noted before - Your video fails to prove the video was fake. (irony, commenters on the video seem to be idiots)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEczx-8xZI
Failed to prove this was fake, and Radar confirms it was Flight 175.

You show a very bad copy of the video, and fail to prove anything.

Ends the thread on fake video. You failed.

You were right, you are not a professional at video, and proved it big time.

Axxman300 23rd January 2020 09:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964747)
Please.

The pictures were good enough to justify the invasion, looting and occupation of sovereign nations. The Washington Post, that has never met a war it didn't love, has exposed the lies that got the US into Pipelinistan. But even if everything we were told about 9/11 is true, to murder tens of thousands of totally innocent people over the actions of a few individuals who were already dead anyway, is barbaric, and not the act of a civilized people.
So you believe that the United States faked 9-11 in order that Turkmenistan could build a natural gas pipeline through Afghanistan into Pakistan?

The Washington Post didn't expose anything that those who read the daily reports from Afghanistan didn't know back in 2004. Helps to read non-CT books.

Please list the items the United States and NATO have looted from Afghanistan.

Please list the items the US has looted from Iraq.

Finally, if you can disregard the murder of over 3000 Americans, your neighbors, with the wave over your hand then you have no business wining about murder of any kind.

yankee451 23rd January 2020 09:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Axxman300 (Post 12964769)
So you believe that the United States faked 9-11 in order that Turkmenistan could build a natural gas pipeline through Afghanistan into Pakistan?

The Washington Post didn't expose anything that those who read the daily reports from Afghanistan didn't know back in 2004. Helps to read non-CT books.

Please list the items the United States and NATO have looted from Afghanistan.

Please list the items the US has looted from Iraq.

Finally, if you can disregard the murder of over 3000 Americans, your neighbors, with the wave over your hand then you have no business wining about murder of any kind.
As the evidence you can't handle shows, the claimed deaths are bogus.

beachnut 23rd January 2020 09:26 PM
Thread is Done, no proof of fake Videos
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964751)
The first nine columns from the left of both impact holes are enough to prove the US military launched missiles at the Twin Towers as part of a ruse to drum up support for long planned aggressive war. The US Airforce, which was tasked with protecting US Airspace, ought to be top of the list of suspects.
Nope, there were no armed USAF fighter before 9/11 patrolling the commercial airlines. The military are not police, and don't do hijackings - that is police. Before 9/11 the USAF did not run around with armed aircraft to take action of the USA. You know as much about the USAF as you do physics, video, and missiles. Nothing

All you post is lies.

We see flight 77 in your failed analysis break the WTC shell, thus your missile theory is a insane claim.

We have seen one of the worst analysis of a video you claim is fake, and find out you are extremely unqualified to analysis video.

Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964510)
Some frame by frame analysis of the Hezarkhani footage here:
https://youtu.be/2Gpr-jtWCNc ...
This is the topic, your claim of fake video, and you failed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEczx-8xZI
When I watch the better copy, it exposes your analysis is bad.

The topic is videos you say are fake. Yes you rant about war, and lie about missiles nobody saw.

The topic is fake video, and you failed to prove the videos were fake.

Axxman300 23rd January 2020 09:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964751)
The first nine columns from the left of both impact holes are enough to prove the US military launched missiles at the Twin Towers as part of a ruse to drum up support for long planned aggressive war. The US Airforce, which was tasked with protecting US Airspace, ought to be top of the list of suspects.
Golly.

Did you know that you can get a FOIA for the inventories of all USAF cruise missiles from before and after the attacks and check the serial numbers? You can do that with Lockheed too.

Did you know that those inventories will show where every cruise missile in the US inventory was located?

Did you know you can get the tail numbers for every USAF, USN, USMC, and US Army aircraft that was in the sky on 9/11/2001?

You can collect all of that information, missiles, aircraft, take-offs, flight times, and landings and use it to get a clear picture of the US military's actions in the air on 9/11.

So why haven't you done this?

Where are the stories of missing cruise missiles?

Where are the stories of cruise missiles being loaded onto combat aircraft early in the morning of 9/11 yet were gone when the aircraft returned? (at least Waco had dramatic and false story of an Apache returning to base missing a Hellfire).

Axxman300 23rd January 2020 09:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964774)
As the evidence you can't handle shows, the claimed deaths are bogus.
The numbers in Iraq are inflated.

beachnut 23rd January 2020 09:33 PM
Off topic again -
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964774)
As the evidence you can't handle shows, the claimed deaths are bogus.
You can't figure out 9/11 after 18 years.

Now you lie about the murder of thousands by 19 terrorists.

The topic is fake videos.

As for your great common sense... "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen" - Albert Einstein

You claim this video is fake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEczx-8xZI
It is not.

You offer an analysis.

Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964510)
Some frame by frame analysis of the Hezarkhani footage here:
https://youtu.be/2Gpr-jtWCNc ...
The analysis turns out to be fake, false, and poorly done.

Your work proves you to be a fraud, spreading lies about 9/11, unable to prove any videos are fake. /thread

waypastvne 23rd January 2020 09:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964751)

The first nine columns from the left

About that 9th column Yankee. Are you going to explain to us how a missile traveling sideways to the building spun this column so it's almost inside out.

https://i.imgur.com/AP0wQJD.jpg

yankee451 23rd January 2020 09:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by waypastvne (Post 12964785)
About that 9th column Yankee. Are you going to explain to us how a missile traveling sideways to the building spun this column so it's almost inside out.

https://i.imgur.com/AP0wQJD.jpg
Why, because you've been so kind to answer all of my questions? Shucks.

https://911crashtest.org/wp-content/...as-it-fell.png

Can you guys point out the debris from the floors?

waypastvne 23rd January 2020 10:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964798)
Why, because you've been so kind to answer all of my questions? Shucks.

https://911crashtest.org/wp-content/...as-it-fell.png

Can you guys point out the debris from the floors?

But the panel was pushed straight in to the building. If what you claim is true shouldn't the panel be pushed sideways and probably fall out of the building?

What questions do you want me to answer?

yankee451 23rd January 2020 10:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by waypastvne (Post 12964801)
But the panel was pushed straight in to the building. If what you claim is true shouldn't the panel be pushed sideways and probably fall out of the building?

What questions do you want me to answer?
Wouldn't the floors have prevented it from moving at all? Three floors spaced top bottom and middle ought to have been there.

https://911crashtest.org/wp-content/...s-1024x607.png

bruto 23rd January 2020 10:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964747)
Please.

The pictures were good enough to justify the invasion, looting and occupation of sovereign nations. The Washington Post, that has never met a war it didn't love, has exposed the lies that got the US into Pipelinistan. But even if everything we were told about 9/11 is true, to murder tens of thousands of totally innocent people over the actions of a few individuals who were already dead anyway, is barbaric, and not the act of a civilized people.
That's a complete non-answer. You claim the pictures available to the public are fake and that we cannot rely on the volumes of information that have been released. Yet you produce the same public images claiming them as evidence, and expect us to believe you. That's crazy.

This has nothing to do with the war or its lack of justification. Plenty of people saw the events and agree entirely that invasion of other nations was a bloodthirsty mistake. It doesn't make your argument for the supposed evidence any better.

waypastvne 23rd January 2020 10:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964798)

Can you guys point out the debris from the floors?


Floor.


https://i.imgur.com/2qFJ0wH.jpg

Elagabalus 23rd January 2020 10:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964803)
Wouldn't the floors have prevented it from moving at all? Three floors spaced top bottom and middle ought to have been there.

https://911crashtest.org/wp-content/...s-1024x607.png
Oh, geez, here we go again, junior.

Throw out your hands
Stick out your tush
Hands on your hips
Give them a push
You'll be surprised
you're doing the Fringe Reset.
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Shalamar 23rd January 2020 10:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964774)
As the evidence you can't handle shows, the claimed deaths are bogus.
Those people are in Tahiti.

yankee451 23rd January 2020 10:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by waypastvne (Post 12964808)
Unrecognizable debris.

Elagabalus 23rd January 2020 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalamar (Post 12964600)
Ok. I give in.

I admit it.

I did it. All of it.

I used high powered holographic machines scattered around NYC to give the illusion of the planes flying into the towers. A carry the one error in the software caused the planes to 'enter' the towers before disintegrating.

The damage was caused by vibranium tipped missiles that exploded to cause the great damage. The cladding was carefully pre-cut (and hidden by the holographic machinery)

All the people in the planes were secretly taken to Tahiti (it's a magical place) where they live their lives in abject comfort.

I was worried about the damage to towers, so weeks leading up to the 'attack', explosives were placed under the guise of 'running cables for IT'. No one bothers you if you have a laptop, and a cart full of screwdrivers and cables.

I knew the camera at the pentagon was crap, so that was a straight missile.

The fourth missile went off course, and it had to be prematurely grounded, and exploded. , The vibranium warhead was why it was able to penetrate the ground so easily.

Any questions?
So you did it to rule the galaxy?

I would have thought that you would have found the vibranium's lack of faith disturbing.

Were those screwdrivers JIS?

waypastvne 23rd January 2020 10:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964819)
Unrecognizable debris.

Unrecognizable debris that is in the exact spot that a floor should be in relation to the spandrel and it has a fire burning on top of it.


https://i.imgur.com/AP0wQJD.jpg

yankee451 23rd January 2020 10:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bruto (Post 12964807)
That's a complete non-answer. You claim the pictures available to the public are fake and that we cannot rely on the volumes of information that have been released. Yet you produce the same public images claiming them as evidence, and expect us to believe you. That's crazy.

This has nothing to do with the war or its lack of justification. Plenty of people saw the events and agree entirely that invasion of other nations was a bloodthirsty mistake. It doesn't make your argument for the supposed evidence any better.
Your paraphrasing skills are lacking. I said the images and videos of the jet impacts are fake, but the images and videos of the explosion, and the damage left by the missiles, are genuine. Of course they are. Anyone can check their own, private photographs of against those in the public domain so of obviously the damage evidence is genuine. Furthermore it makes no sense for them to fake photographs of the damage from small projectiles when they were selling us a large one.

The explosions were real. The damage was real. The jets, not so much.

waypastvne 23rd January 2020 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964826)

The explosions were real.
The explosions are jet fuel subsonic deflagrations.

yankee451 23rd January 2020 11:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by waypastvne (Post 12964824)
Unrecognizable debris that is in the exact spot that a floor should be in relation to the spandrel and it has a fire burning on top of it.


https://i.imgur.com/AP0wQJD.jpg
You can almost see the empty bolt holes.

And boy, those sharply bent steel columns and that still standing cladding are hard to explain with anything else. Certainly not the head on impact of a jet wing.

https://911crashtest.org/wp-content/...1-1024x759.png

Elagabalus 23rd January 2020 11:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964826)
Your paraphrasing skills are lacking. I said the images and videos of the jet impacts are fake, but the images and videos of the explosion, and the damage left by the missiles, are genuine. Of course they are. Anyone can check their own, private photographs of against those in the public domain so of obviously the damage evidence is genuine. Furthermore it makes no sense for them to fake photographs of the damage from small projectiles when they were selling us a large one.

The explosions were real. The damage was real. The jets, not so much.

And yet, we clearly see a jet in this video.

https://youtu.be/JDEczx-8xZI?t=29

yankee451 23rd January 2020 11:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by waypastvne (Post 12964832)
The explosions are jet fuel subsonic deflagrations.
That caused the wing to change direction and skip one piece of cladding. Uh huh.

yankee451 23rd January 2020 11:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elagabalus (Post 12964836)
And yet, we clearly see a jet in this video.

https://youtu.be/JDEczx-8xZI?t=29
And yet, the damage clearly proves the jet wasn't there.

Elagabalus 23rd January 2020 11:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964838)
And yet, the damage clearly proves the jet wasn't there.
Keep telling yourself that, brah.

beachnut 23rd January 2020 11:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964837)
That caused the wing to change direction and skip one piece of cladding. Uh huh.
Off topic again, you failed to prove any videos were fake, and now you do the Gish Gallop, one false claim after another. Failed ideas on what a 767 looks like when it smashes and breaks the WTC shell. You make up the insane claim it was missiles and fail.

You claim this video is fake and did a study, and it was false, full of BS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEczx-8xZI
It turns out your analysis failed to do more than expose a failed analysis.
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12964510)
Some frame by frame analysis of the Hezarkhani footage here:

https://youtu.be/2Gpr-jtWCNc ...
The analysis failed.

Now you make up claims about damage, and have no clue you are wrong.

yankee451 23rd January 2020 11:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beachnut (Post 12964840)
Off topic again, you failed to prove any videos were fake, and now you do the Gish Gallop, one false claim after another. Failed ideas on what a 767 looks like when it smashes and breaks the WTC shell. You make up the insane claim it was missiles and fail.

You claim this video is fake and did a study, and it was false, full of BS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEczx-8xZI
It turns out your analysis failed to do more than expose a failed analysis.

The analysis failed.

Now you make up claims about damage, and have no clue you are wrong.
It's all part of how they faked the videos. The holes were cut by the missiles before they removed the video mask layer that was hiding the missile impacts like a curtain. On that layer they placed a video layer of the jet. Once the missiles had cut the hole, and the last of the jet had penetrated the tower on the mask layer (along with drawn on smoke), they could remove the mask layer to reveal the very real fireball erupting through the very real hole.


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