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Craig4 3rd August 2017 05:45 PM

I'm betting Kushner will go back to run the family business. He won't adjust well to Kelly and more will come out about his talks with the Russians. Between Kelly running the show and a soon to come series of revelations about Jared and Russia he'll leave or get forced out.

Stacko 3rd August 2017 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11944409)
I'm betting Kushner will go back to run the family business. He won't adjust well to Kelly and more will come out about his talks with the Russians. Between Kelly running the show and a soon to come series of revelations about Jared and Russia he'll leave or get forced out.

Who will do all the work if he leaves? The Orange Menace put him in charge of almost everything.

d4m10n 3rd August 2017 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11944409)
I'm betting Kushner will go back to run the family business. He won't adjust well to Kelly and more will come out about his talks with the Russians. Between Kelly running the show and a soon to come series of revelations about Jared and Russia he'll leave or get forced out.

Interesting choice, given the broad scope of Jared's portfolio.

quadraginta 4th August 2017 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 11940276)
I think Tillerson. I think there are enough people to talk trump out of firing Sessions for having pretending to have some ethics. So unless maybe his kids get indicted I don't see Sessions going anywhere

FTFY.

Sessions was dragged kicking and screaming into his (sort of) recusal. I don't think he deserves a lot of credit for the ethical virtue of the decision.

Craig4 4th August 2017 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 11944414)
Interesting choice, given the broad scope of Jared's portfolio.

But the Hair doesn't think about the consequences of his actions. If he did, he wouldn't have colluded with the Russians.

d4m10n 4th August 2017 04:44 AM

Never forget all those who have already fallen from grace...

https://twitter.com/BlueBallSkeptic/...08922152247296

Oystein 4th August 2017 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11944823)
But the Hair doesn't think about the consequences of his actions. If he did, he wouldn't have colluded with the Russians.

What consequences? Jared spent his time so far learning about the Middle East, and recently reported that he has by now figured out that it is a very complex situation.

The replacement might conceivably know this already, and thus pick up where Kuchner leaves.

Giordano 4th August 2017 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 11944901)
Never forget all those who have already fallen from grace...

https://twitter.com/BlueBallSkeptic/...08922152247296

Let us all observe a moment of silence in respect of these great souls who have fallen while serving our country... oh hell, I just couldn't stop laughing!

d4m10n 4th August 2017 07:26 AM

I'm actually a bit sad about Yates and Comey. [emoji26]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e216ae4f28.jpg

ddt 4th August 2017 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CORed (Post 11944162)
It's constitutionally dubious because the Justice Department (and any special prosecutors appointed under its authority) is part of the Executive branch, for which the President has constitutional authority to fire appointees. And your misunderstanding notwithstanding, the appointment of the Attorney General, and the requirement that the appointment be approved by the Senate (not the full Congress) is covered by Article II of the Constitution.

History begs to differ here. In the wake of Watergate and the Saturday Night Massacre, Congress instituted the Office of Independent Counsel, which existed until 1999:
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The prosecutor, who was appointed by a special panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, could investigate allegations of any misconduct, with an unlimited budget and no deadline, and could be dismissed only by the Attorney General for "good cause" or by the special panel of the court when the independent counsel's task was completed. As the president could not dismiss those investigating the executive branch it was felt that the independence of the office would ensure impartiality of any reports presented to Congress. However, there have been many critics of this law including Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.[1] Many argued the new Independent Counsel's office was a sort of "fourth branch" of government that had virtually unlimited powers and was answerable to no one. However, the constitutionality of the new office was ultimately upheld in the 1988 Supreme Court case Morrison v. Olson.
All Congress has to do is to re-instate the provisions from the Ethics in Government Act which instituted it.

dudalb 4th August 2017 02:19 PM

And Bannon seems to have fallen into disfavor with Stephan Miller now probably the most powerful member of the Nationalist wing of the White House.
Looks like Bannon;s declaration that he was another Thomas Cromwell might come true considering what happened to Cromwell when Henry the Eight got tired of him and felt he was too powerful....

zorro99 7th August 2017 06:49 AM

Evidently Trump's base as exemplified by Breitbart are mad at General McMaster.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...-nuclear-deal/

Civet 7th August 2017 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by zorro99 (Post 11947504)
Evidently Trump's base as exemplified by Breitbart are mad at General McMaster.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...-nuclear-deal/

Alt-right's been sharpening their knives for McMaster for a while. I consider it a good sign that my early enthusiasm for his hiring was not misplaced. Media Matters has a story defending him and claiming, among other things, that Russian bots are pushing a #FireMcMaster hashtag. No idea if that's true. Interesting claim, though.

d4m10n 7th August 2017 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by zorro99 (Post 11947504)
Evidently Trump's base as exemplified by Breitbart are mad at General McMaster.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...-nuclear-deal/

Sort of last week's news now.

Anti-McMaster narrative was heavily pushed by bots:
https://twitter.com/HenHokie/status/893582911949213698

Then they let it go, after POTUS reaffirmed his support for the NSA:
https://twitter.com/qjurecic/status/894303712121892865

Not sure why Russia wanted to test this line out. Do they hold a grudge against Susan Rice?

p.s. I'm changing my bet to Tillerson.

Arcade22 9th August 2017 07:17 AM

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d4m10n 9th August 2017 12:31 PM

Changing my vote (again) to Kelly.

https://twitter.com/allahpundit/stat...71457986621440

dudalb 9th August 2017 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 11950674)

First crack in Kelly's wall.....

The Great Zaganza 9th August 2017 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 11950674)

Sorry, but Kelly is not in the Chain of Command for the Nuclear Twitter Codes.

Craig4 10th August 2017 05:20 AM

I'm still going with Kushner. The FBI seized documents in the raid on Manafort's home related to the meeting with the representatives of the Russian government. That means there's something there. Getting him out of the White House will become crucial soon. He's the only person in the administration (that we know of now) who was at that meeting and that's where the collusion began.

quadraginta 10th August 2017 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11951421)
I'm still going with Kushner. The FBI seized documents in the raid on Manafort's home related to the meeting with the representatives of the Russian government. That means there's something there. Getting him out of the White House will become crucial soon. He's the only person in the administration (that we know of now) who was at that meeting and that's where the that collusion began.


FTFY.

Darat 10th August 2017 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 11944413)
Who will do all the work if he leaves? The Orange Menace put him in charge of almost everything.

The evidence is that like many top executives of his type he doesn't actually do anything. Probably better replacing him with a magic-8-ball, at least that has a chance of being right about something.

Hellbound 10th August 2017 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 11951460)
The evidence is that like many top executives of his type he doesn't actually do anything. Probably better replacing him with a magic-8-ball, at least that has a chance of being right about something.

Oh man, I want the executives you've had. I'd love it if our top execs didn't do anything.

Instead, they do things that make no sense because they confuse position with expertise.

ponderingturtle 10th August 2017 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11951421)
I'm still going with Kushner. The FBI seized documents in the raid on Manafort's home related to the meeting with the representatives of the Russian government. That means there's something there. Getting him out of the White House will become crucial soon. He's the only person in the administration (that we know of now) who was at that meeting and that's where the collusion began.

That seems unlikely, we are going to have more turn over before any indictment against him could play out and family or at least his kids seems to be the one thing trump might be loyal to.

The Great Zaganza 10th August 2017 08:56 AM

Mattis and/or McMasters.

It looks like some leakers are pushing the North Korea situation (RE: miniaturized nuclear warhead) to help Trump by distracting form the Russia investigation.
If it looks like this could work, Trump might as well look to bomb North Korea, which (hopefully) the Generals won't support.

If Mattis and/or McMasters are forced out you better sell all your shares in Korean companies.

Beelzebuddy 10th August 2017 10:42 AM

I'm leaving my chip on Sessions. He's already crossed Trump, his firing would be slightly less contentious than firing Mueller directly, Trump's already tried bullying him out, so IMO it's just a matter of time and sufficient distraction until Trump feels safe firing him.

d4m10n 10th August 2017 11:20 AM

Sessions is getting cover from his brethren in the Senate, who would have to confirm his replacement.

Beelzebuddy 10th August 2017 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 11951891)
Sessions is getting cover from his brethren in the Senate, who would have to confirm his replacement.

Trump is currently feuding with McConnell. It would be entirely characteristic of him, and would give him a fig leaf of plausible deniability, to fire Sessions in retaliation.

Stacko 10th August 2017 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 11951953)
Trump is currently feuding with McConnell. It would be entirely characteristic of him, and would give him a fig leaf of plausible deniability, to fire Sessions in retaliation.

Is he aware of who his Secretary of Transportation is?

Trebuchet 10th August 2017 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 11951953)
Trump is currently feuding with McConnell. It would be entirely characteristic of him, and would give him a fig leaf of plausible deniability, to fire Sessions in retaliation.

I'm waiting for him to try to fire McConnell. Who's going to tell him he can't?

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Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 11951971)
Is he aware of who his Secretary of Transportation is?

Elaine Chao, but somehow your point has gone whooshing over my head. Is he going to have someone transported to Australia?

Stacko 10th August 2017 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 11952013)
Elaine Chao, but somehow your point has gone whooshing over my head. Is he going to have someone transported to Australia?

Look up her spouse.

Craig4 10th August 2017 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle (Post 11951554)
That seems unlikely, we are going to have more turn over before any indictment against him could play out and family or at least his kids seems to be the one thing trump might be loyal to.

I suspect loyalty to the family only means they aren't the first he'd betray.

dudalb 10th August 2017 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 11952013)
I'm waiting for him to try to fire McConnell. Who's going to tell him he can't?



Trump:"Seperation of Powers? What The Hell Is That? ".

Dr. Keith 10th August 2017 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 11952013)
Elaine Chao, but somehow your point has gone whooshing over my head. Is he going to have someone transported to Australia?

I missed it at first, too. Hat tip to Stacko for the reminder that she is married to Mitch McConnell.

Stacko 10th August 2017 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 11952200)
I missed it at first, too. Hat tip to Stacko for the reminder that she is married to Mitch McConnell.

I don't think Trump or the MAGA media establishment has remembered it either. Expect them to turn on her in short order once that is realized.

Trebuchet 10th August 2017 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 11952017)
Look up her spouse.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 11952200)
I missed it at first, too. Hat tip to Stacko for the reminder that she is married to Mitch McConnell.

Awesome! Not that it's a particularly important cabinet position, like, you know, "Oops! I forget the third one".

Craig4 12th August 2017 03:54 PM

I'm changing to Bannon though I still think Kushner will leave soon as the Russia investigation makes it too hot for him. Kelly let McMaster fire a Flynn holdover protected by Bannon. Mooch also slammed Bannon and got away with it from the The Hair though he didn't survive Kelly. Bannon is going to get sidelined and will leave in a vain attempt to save his dignity or get shown the door by Kelly.

d4m10n 12th August 2017 05:00 PM

White nationalists are on the march; Bannon is just fine.

Craig4 12th August 2017 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 11954844)
White nationalists are on the march; Bannon is just fine.

He might be in danger because white nationalists are on the march. Kelly may see Bannon as a cheap and easy sacrificial lamb to throw to those in The Hair's own party who see the response to the Nazi rioting as too weak. That, and Bannon couldn't protect his own people on the NSC from McMaster. The Hair also didn't even bother to give a cursory nod of support when "The Mooch" said Bannon was there to "suck his own cock". Sessions and McMaster have strong allies who have rallied around them when The Hair targeted them. Where are the "there will be holy hell to pay" sound bites about Bannon?

Oystein 12th August 2017 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11954798)
I'm changing to Bannon though I still think Kushner will leave soon as the Russia investigation makes it too hot for him. Kelly let McMaster fire a Flynn holdover protected by Bannon. Mooch also slammed Bannon and got away with it from the The Hair though he didn't survive Kelly. Bannon is going to get sidelined and will leave in a vain attempt to save his dignity or get shown the door by Kelly.

His what? He might just as soon try to save his unicorn!

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11954847)
He might be in danger because white nationalists are on the march. Kelly may see Bannon as a cheap and easy sacrificial lamb to throw to those in The Hair's own party who see the response to the Nazi rioting as too weak.

Uh-oh, that's not something they should do, as that could (and should) be construed as admitting that the Trump campaign's chief strategist is white supremacist nazi scum - that would reflect very badly on Trump himself, as Bannon was his own, personal choice and hs ticket to the Presidency.

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11954847)
That, and Bannon couldn't protect his own people on the NSC from McMaster. The Hair also didn't even bother to give a cursory nod of support when "The Mooch" said Bannon was there to "suck his own cock". Sessions and McMaster have strong allies who have rallied around them when The Hair targeted them. Where are the "there will be holy hell to pay" sound bites about Bannon?

Kelly is shaking up so much, it's draining his own standing. I still say "Kelly next".

Craig4 12th August 2017 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oystein (Post 11954885)
His what? He might just as soon try to save his unicorn!


Uh-oh, that's not something they should do, as that could (and should) be construed as admitting that the Trump campaign's chief strategist is white supremacist nazi scum - that would reflect very badly on Trump himself, as Bannon was his own, personal choice and hs ticket to the Presidency.


Kelly is shaking up so much, it's draining his own standing. I still say "Kelly next".

I did say a vain attempt. Maybe I should have said, a "vain attempt to save whatever passes for dignity for his kind".

You're right, I suspect Kelly won't serve a full year. However, shaking things up may improve his standing if he's seen by the rest of the staff as someone with the authority to clean house.

quadraginta 12th August 2017 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11954847)
<snip>

Sessions and McMaster have strong allies who have rallied around them when The Hair targeted them. Where are the "there will be holy hell to pay" sound bites about Bannon?


Trump needs to be more scared of those allies than he is of Bannon.

If Bannon goes it won't be quietly, and I think Trump knows that, and is afraid of what the noise will contain.

I expect that Bannon knows where a lot of skeletons are buried.

Craig4 12th August 2017 07:40 PM

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartanntp

It's like I'm psychic.

Delphic Oracle 13th August 2017 12:12 AM

Well, I was gonna say I'm pretty sure Bannon is safe because clearly he or someone in his camp wrote that weak ass tweet.

But if that leak story has legs, uh-oh.

At the same time, he's a (small-time) media mogul, so I'm sure he's got folks on speed dial who can drop quotes in places.

"I'm shocked -shocked!- to find that gambling is going on in here."

zorro99 13th August 2017 12:40 AM

Trump may fire Bannon because president suspects he is behind damaging leaks: Report

by Caitlin Yilek | Aug 12, 2017, 7:08 PM Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Email this article

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tr...rticle/2631374

According to the article, Bannon has effectively been sidelined.

thaiboxerken 13th August 2017 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11952135)
I suspect loyalty to the family only means they aren't the first he'd betray.

Correct, and this is because loyalty only goes one way with Trump.

Stacko 13th August 2017 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by zorro99 (Post 11955211)
Trump may fire Bannon because president suspects he is behind damaging leaks: Report

by Caitlin Yilek | Aug 12, 2017, 7:08 PM Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Email this article

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tr...rticle/2631374

According to the article, Bannon has effectively been sidelined.

Apparently getting equal billing on cover of Joshua Green's book Devil's Bargain is among the last straws.

Oystein 13th August 2017 04:18 AM

True, but the questions at the end of the article require answers by anybody out to oust Bannon:
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Other questions circulating the West Wing:
  • How would two Republican mega-donors, Bob and Rebekah Mercer, react if Kelly were to fire Bannon on Trump's behalf? Given the financial support they've given to Bannon and Breitbart, would they turn against Trump, whom they've also supported?
  • How will Trump's base react to Bannon's firing?
  • What kind of havoc could Bannon wreak on the outside, unencumbered by his West Wing responsibilities?

US politics is money is US poltics. The Mercer angle may be key.

catsmate 13th August 2017 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 11940253)
The White House is getting more like Game of Thrones everyday....

Thankfully without the nudity.

zorro99 13th August 2017 12:13 PM

Trump advisers signal the knives are out for Bannon

Bridgewater, New Jersey (CNN)Two senior Trump advisers -- one inside the White House and another who recently departed -- signaled Sunday that the knives are out for Steve Bannon, President Donald Trump's controversial chief strategist.

http://us.cnn.com/2017/08/13/politic...non/index.html

Cl1mh4224rd 13th August 2017 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 11955006)

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Originally Posted by zorro99 (Post 11955211)
Trump may fire Bannon because president suspects he is behind damaging leaks: Report

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tr...rticle/2631374


I'm curious what Bannon's motivation is here; just an extreme dislike of McMaster?


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