If anyone enforces it.

Supporters of the president physically prevent people from voting.
What would you call it in another country?

It would not happen in a country with democracy.

Hans

In some countries, it's business as usual.

In an extended riff, Colbert created fake Trump ads and presented them to a "focus group" of Trump supporters. The ads promoted, among other things, putting children to work in dangerous jobs because they can't get covid, and building human-size microwaves to kill the virus. The Trumpers ate it all up. Even if they had mild reservations, they were voting for Trump, and they never caught on to the gag.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/triump...efend-anything

Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-7W5BCIFdg

These people just can't be saved.

"It was the most beautiful thing, it's called law and order" Trump gloats at his rally about Ali Velshi getting hit by a rubber bullet in Minneapolis. Sick stuff.

A statement from MSNBC:
“Freedom of the press is a pillar of our democracy. When POTUS mocks a journalist for the injury he sustained while putting himself in harm’s way to inform the public, he endangers thousands of other journalists and undermines our freedoms.”

Please tell me I don't live on the same planet as these people.

Ali Veshni is noticably brown-skinned.

As I've said many times now, when white supremacists like Dolt 45 say "law and order", what they mean is "straight white men should rule the US and everyone else, particularly black and indigenous people, along with LGBT people, should be kept as pariah castes via state violence and terrorism."

That's the "order" part, and it's why they also venerate murderers like George Zimmerman, Kyle Rittenhouse, the Proud Boys, and so forth, while describing black children as "thugs", and nonviolent groups like BLM and the DAPL protestors as "terrorists".

Shouldn't the police be there dispersing them with rubber bullets to the face and pepper spray? I thought that was how the US dealt with protests now.

These are not protestors, they are exuberant patriots.

The pepper spray and rubber bullets were only used on seditious thugs.

Oh. My. God. Especially that guy in the shorts. And people told me to stop saying Trump supporters are stupid. Sorry. I'm going to keep saying it because they are.

A lot of times, when someone says a video clearly demonstrates something, I can't tell what's happening from the video.

I didn't see how anyone was blocking anyone else, just a bunch of people chanting.

I'll try again.

Brownshirting.

Why do Trump supporters think harassing voters outside polling places is somehow going to make them LESS likely to vote?

At least the shirt tail!

That's a rhetorical question, isn't it?

First, there is more than one video. Below it is illustrated how they did in fact block the entrance to the voting area. The photo on the left (below) shows voters lining up and coming through the small park, exiting onto a driveway and then into the building. The photo on the right shows where the trump protesters massed to block voters. Directly in front of the small park at the point where voters exited to cross the driveway. The election officials reacted by moving the voting line inside.

It's terrible that trump supporters would even think of doing something like this. Hey lets go out and block people trying to vote!

Trump writing his own obituary? I'm OK with that as long as he does, in fact, GO AWAY.

This episode is being reported on with a huge amount of restraint, probably an editorial decision based on the fear of copycats. But even the Fox news affiliate in DC seems appalled by it.

The video referenced can be viewed via the link to the Fox page. It shows protesters directly between the little park and the doorway to the voting center.

But he's not a professional liar. Profligate? Absolutely ... to a fault. But he's a sloppy, amateur liar. His lies are obvious, silly and repetitive. Any decent county supervisor is probably a better liar than the Orange Turd.

He's not a liar. "Liar" was a concept that existed back in the Facts world. We live in the Post-Facts world now, the entire concept of a "liar" makes no sense.

America, America. Your concept of democracy is deeply flawed. A shining example of freedom to the world you are not.

I disagree. The concept is good but if the government is populated with people who are not of good will, who follow the strictures and traditiois of their government, then ANY form of government will fail. And that is what we in the USA gave now, namely, people (Trump. Moscow Mitch, Barr, Trump's cabinet, a lot of GOP congresscritters,l etc.) who are not looking out for the USA. They are corrupt and power hungry. No wonder we're starting to look like a banana republic.

Nope. Coll9ins is already in the biggest re-election battle she has ever had. A vote to approve will be her last and she knows it. She, among all the others, is the one I count on most.

We've had it long enough to see the flaws in the system, and could fix them...if anybody wanted to. But those in power want those flaws so they can exploit them. They'd rather risk having their enemies use those flaws against them than lose access to the flaws entirely.

As for the population, most of them are fine with a flawed government --they'd even be okay with an outright dictatorship-- provided that government do the things they want it to. The majority would make their favored candidate King (or Queen) if he (or she) would do all the things on their policy wishlist.

Never happen. He has people for that.

He didn't need to. He had people for that, too.

Has anybody covered this yet?


Apparently Ricin was sent to the White House.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/19/u...l-service.html

Not a serious attempt at assassination, if that's what you're thinking: ricin isn't effective by mere contact, and it's unlikely anybody at the White House is in the habit of immediately eating, inhaling, or injecting whatever they receive unsolicited in the mail. At a party, perhaps, but not through the mail.

This. It's one step up from simply a threatening letter.

Yes it should absolutely be investigated and if a culprit is found they absolutely face criminal charges of the "not a slap on the wrist" level, but that's it as far as what's worth talking about.

Given the fact that a bunch of mail bombs rated a "meh" because the bombs didn't explode and therefore "Well ackshually technically according to Hoyle I don't see what the big deal is why are you being some dramatic" I'll call this newsworthy in passing at best.

Thanks. I wasn't. Which is why I put in this thread.


Also manufactured from the Castor bean. The oil of which was once prized for its lubrication properties in early Otto-motor engines and later two-stroke motors. Castrol™ derives its name from castor oil. Anything else?

Indeed, this was a truly pathetic attempt. They should have gone with the old tried-and-true box of coked-up rabid hamsters method. That's how they got Hitler in '45. The suicide story was a coverup.

I thought perhaps the choice of ricin might have been the perpetrator's gesture to Russia, given the famous "Bulgarian Brolly" affair, but per the article the ricin mail has been going on for a while with multiple targets, so it seems the choice might have been simply the easy availability of that particular poison.

Okay, sorry for reading anything at all into your bringing up the subject. Apparently all you wanted to say was "here's a thing". Thing acknowledged. Great contribution to the subject.

Didn't really need the acknowledgement, but thanks. :thumbsup:

But McConnell can foil those problems by having the vote in the lame duck.

A SCOTUS judge that gives them a 6-3 majority of an entire branch of government for the foreseeable future is worth the career of one Senator who at best is already in the twilight of her career and who's political jurisdiction consists of Stephen King, Patrick Dempsey, 3 lobsters, and a bear and I have little doubt that Trump and/or McConnell and/or the GOP in general will have no problem convincing Susan Collins of that fact.

In the past seven presidential elections (soon to be eight), Republican candidates managed to win the popular vote just once. Obama served for eight years and appointed two Justices; Trump might appoint three in just one term. It's just stupid.

As someone commented on Twitter: “contrary to our supposedly pragmatic nature, american institutions are revered in proportion to how much they do not work.”

I once saw a tree explode.

I was at the computer desk in one of the rooms in our house at the time, and a large pine tree across the street exploded. Chunks of tree as thick as someone's thigh were blown 20 or 30 yards down the street.

It had been hit by lightning. The electric shock took out the neighbor's well pump.

No fire, though. We were in the middle of a raging deluge with rain falling in frog-strangler quantities.

The weird part was that it split the tree in two right in the middle, and the top 50 ft. or so ended up standing almost perfectly straight, right next to the bottom 50 ft..

True story.

That's possible, but there has also been a decided trend for out-of-office Republicans to take advantage of that freedom to express the disgust for Trump that they were unable (too chicken) to share while they were trying to stay in office.

Here's a slightly different take. The kind of sanitized history they are advocating is almost exactly the kind which we were given when I was growing up. Judging from the events of the 60's and 70's, it isn't clear how effective it was.

Kids don't stay kids, and when they get old enough to contribute to their own education and have better access to facts then they can get a bit upset about the way they were lied to in school when they were younger.

I know I was.

People who don't want best-historic-knowledge of US history taught in schools all but admit that they believe that no one could love their country if they were full aware of its history.

If you acknowledge that your patriotism is based on lies, maybe you should fix the problems instead of hoping that another layer of paint will cover them up.

That's exactly what this is - the entire conference was just shilling for a textbook that claims that the people who came to the Americas found an empty land (let's ignore the tens of millions of indigenous peoples) and thirsted for freedom for all (a majority of immigrants were African slaves - particularly true in the Caribbean islands and South America). It's the usual caterwauling you would expect from a buffoon that looks up to the likes of Andrew Jackson and General Lee as unblemished "great people" whose negatives are unimportant.

They don't want history to be taught; they want a 1950's Cinemascope Widescreen Color Epic version of history as written by the victors.

Oh, they may express their disgust with Trump, but that’s a separate issue from stacking the court with regressive scumbags. After all, they intend to be wealthy even if they’re no longer senators.

What do you mean, if he owns Trump towers offshore then of course he'd be funded by them.

It's his personal information what his tax plan shows. I guess largely self-funded would have been a better way to describe it since he's spent 1.5 billion dollars and is now worth 2.5 billion. If Mueller reports didn't find any connections, I don't know what will.

I'd love to hear an example or this happening.

I also hope things keep getting better. Will the long-term damage be in 30 years the history books saying "Trump was actually a Russian agent who infiltrated the White House to end the sanctions on Russia."?

That's nonsense, because it was testing for people of equal wealth. That'd be even better if it showed equal happiness controlled for differences in depression and other mental illnesses. lol

Being happy under ******** life circumstances makes you more mentally healthy, than someone that bases their mood on externals.

I thought you had me, but the situation is actually more sad. Most liberals, similar to hippy-types act as if they are happy in front of other people but are miserable on the inside. They go out and smile and act friendly but underneath the skin tells a darker story. It's a similar story for my mother.

Cool story bro.
I'm not really sure what your argument is, all I heard is that you beat your Dad in a debate and he refused to acquiesce. You've done that before, right?

I didn't need to because the homicide rate and general rate are the same. There's no other reason why the historic crime rate trends were reversed and child sexual assaults jumped up by 30%. On sexual assaults, they have a cultural event called "taharrush gamea" which unfortunately European women are now being forced to partake in. The link describes the details, which are difficult for me to type out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_s..._Egypt#Attacks

Ah but what if it was labeled "bleach to cure Covid19"? I hear that is safe to inject.

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Nailed!

Rasmussen's numbers have lately been really out of whack with anyone else, way more than before. It's as if they had recalibrated their system.

But he doesn't "own towers offshore" at all. Other people, and indeed other governments, loan him the money; he just licenses his name to stick a shiny sign on the top. He is beholden to these lenders, from the Middle East to Moscow.

By way of proof, the building owners have been taking Trump's name off "towers" in numerous places. That doesn't mean he no longer owns the building, it just means they ditched the sign and relationship.



Trump IS Trump Enterprises. He uses it as his personal piggy-bank. And he wasn't worth more than maybe a couple of hundred thousand personally for many years, purely for tax reasons, of course. The tax returns that we have seen show that he has actually been in debt considerably at some times, hence zero tax paid. So where you get the idea he is "worth" 2.5 billion is purely Trump propaganda. He lies, and he lies about his worth with casual ease.

You are mixing up two different things.

Mueller was looking for political connections, not personal business connections. And his findings were that the Trump team took advantage of Trump's personal relationship with Putin to allow Putin to provide them certain political "advantages". Perhaps not specifically illegal as per the strict interpretation of the law, but skating on ice so thin it was basically liquid.

As for Trump's business relationships with Russia and specifically Putin, they are thick as thieves, and have been for many years. Trump has been involved with the Russian mafia since before the Atlantic City casino crash days, and Putin is the long-time grand Russian mafioso supremo. They cannot have possibly avoided working together.



Really, Trump is the very worst type of Russian "agent" imaginable. He can't keep his great flapping mouth shut and can't keep secrets. He would not need to be tortured to reveal all, he would need to be tortured to shut up so nobody has to endure his droning insane nonsense a moment longer.

You need to accept that Trump is in this only for himself. He doesn't give a big rat's ass about the rest of his family, the GOP, the government, the USA or any of its people including serving and past military members. Donny has demonstrated this numerous times without fail. So any "deals" he has with Putin, covert or otherwise, are for his benefit alone. And Trump has been beholden to Russian banks, i.e. Putin's piggy bank, for decades. Putin has all Trump's markers and a gun to his head.

So Donny doesn't need to be a covert agent. Putin already has his tiny pearly pink balls clutched firmly in his fist.