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The Great Zaganza 20th September 2020 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle (Post 13230172)
Even a judge who feels some affinity towards Trump will toss that out as it constitutes the executive usurping a judicial function. Stripping people of their civil liberties and right to participate in politics is a jealously guarded power.

A judge should do more than tossing that out: such an order would be a direct violation of Trump's Oath of Office, and should lead to immediate impeachment.
Just joking about it should.

Safe-Keeper 20th September 2020 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13229913)
Government https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1d7UvKWh6M&shutdown. Wall stuff. Multiple things related to COVID. "Liberate <state>." Those just to start, really.

To be fair, there's a lot more in the way of feedback loop between Trump and Fox than anything adversarial - especially when it comes to the relationship between Trump and Hannity, who's been known at times as basically a shadow chief of staff. Still, to be clear, are you actually seriously not aware of how influenced by Fox News Trump is? The sheer number of tweets reacting to one thing or another that was on Fox, alone, should clue you in a bit on the influence there.

All leaders, democratic, dictatorial, or wanabe-dictatorial, have people and agencies they need to keep close if they want to remain in control. Keys to power and all that. With Trump, it's his Alternative Facts propaganda network. Trump needs FOX News, and this means FOX News has some influence over him.

Vox has some depressing examples.

Of course, given it's the tangerine child emperor and not a fully functioning adult, the influence is greater than it should have been ("we told him to blink the lights on and off..."), but given how crucial the alternative facts bubble is for someone as incompetent as Trump, it really goes without saying he needs to let them influence him.

Stacyhs 20th September 2020 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13229878)


Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
They don't want history to be taught; they want a 1950's Cinemascope Widescreen Color Epic version of history as written by the victors losers.

FTFY.

No, I had it right; the victors. They want it taught from the perspective of those who won. That is the story that has been taught for the entire history of our country already. The whitewashed version is what Trump wants, he doesn't want the country's dirty linen aired. Truth be damned. He wants the Disney version of Pocahontas, not the Trail of Tears and the story of broken treaty after broken treaty.

Andy_Ross 20th September 2020 12:11 PM

Trump Tweets

What a GREAT GUY. A true Winner representing Hispanic Americans!!! Thank you.
Quote Tweet

Chad Prather - Parler @watchchad
@WatchChad
Owner of LA Angels Says 'It's Very Necessary To Vote For President Trump' https://politicalcowboy.com/owner-of...esident-trump/ via @WatchChad

Craig4 20th September 2020 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13230114)
Trump jokes that he can ban Biden from becoming President via Executive Order:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1307...857315840?s=20


Democracy is just a joke to his fans.

That was a joke in the same way, "Slow the testing down," was a joke.

Elagabalus 20th September 2020 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13230314)
Trump Tweets

What a GREAT GUY. A true Winner representing Hispanic Americans!!! Thank you.
Quote Tweet

Chad Prather - Parler @watchchad
@WatchChad
Owner of LA Angels Says 'It's Very Necessary To Vote For President Trump' https://politicalcowboy.com/owner-of...esident-trump/ via @WatchChad

No surprise from someone from the O.C.

JoeMorgue 20th September 2020 04:21 PM

An arrest has been made in the case of the Ricin laced letters sent to President Trump. A female suspect has been arrested at the Canadian border. No details as of now.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/polit...est/index.html

Steve 20th September 2020 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13230531)
An arrest has been made in the case of the Ricin laced letters sent to President Trump. A female suspect has been arrested at the Canadian border. No details as of now.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/polit...est/index.html

Bringing attention to yourself by trying to cross an effectively closed border is not the mark of a brilliant mind.

Ladewig 20th September 2020 06:20 PM

I followed some of the Twitter links to other Twitter links.

The most vocal Trump supporters don’t like the Lincoln Project, as illustrated by how much they mock the group and how often they make claims of sedition against POTUS.

They don’t point out any LP claim that can be disproved with evidence. It is just “You’re a stupid poopy head.”

Oh, and they are very upset that these seditionists use Lincoln in their title. Very disrespectful and wrong.

pgwenthold 20th September 2020 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13230605)
I followed some of the Twitter links to other Twitter links.

The most vocal Trump supporters don’t like the Lincoln Project, as illustrated by how much they mock the group and how often they make claims of sedition against POTUS.

They don’t point out any LP claim that can be disproved with evidence. It is just “You’re a stupid poopy head.”

Oh that's not true. They absolutely accuse the LP as being completely dishonest.

Now, they still can't point to anything specific, but it's all dishonest. Apparently.

Regnad Kcin 20th September 2020 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13229406)
"It was the most beautiful thing, it's called law and order" Trump gloats at his rally about Ali Velshi getting hit by a rubber bullet in Minneapolis. Sick stuff.

A statement from MSNBC:
“Freedom of the press is a pillar of our democracy. When POTUS mocks a journalist for the injury he sustained while putting himself in harm’s way to inform the public, he endangers thousands of other journalists and undermines our freedoms.”

I’m pretty confident Trump could not offer even a molecule of ****.

Puppycow 20th September 2020 07:42 PM

Steering into the Iceberg
 
Dan Carlin's latest Common Sense podcast. He doesn't put out episodes of this podcast very often these days. He mostly sticks to his history podcast (Hardcore History). But we might be at an important historical inflection point.

https://www.dancarlin.com/product/co...o-the-iceberg/

I thought about starting a new thread for this, but it's kind of hard to sum up.

Topics covered include how Trump is claiming that the only way he can lose the election is if it's rigged. The Black Lives Matter protests, and other current events.

Galaxie 20th September 2020 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13229832)
At the latest rally, Trump suggest that Biden will receive an injection of performance enhancing drugs “in the ass” before the debates.

Because he keeps bringing this up, I'm sure now that this will be his escape clause for not debating Biden.

Biden should offer to take a drug test before the debate as long as trump takes one too.

There's no way Trump will want that.

Biden should go up on stage, pull down his pants, and then say, "Take good close look. You won't find any needle marks here, Mr. Trump."

quadraginta 20th September 2020 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13230175)
But that is exactly the endless complaint we read about politics, namely, that all they care about is re-election. So it's hardly a big reach to make that assumption.



I can't speak for others, but when I mention re-election it is in the context of a specific election that a specific individual is participating in.

Aside from that I talk about power and money. Some of which might result from re-election, sure, but cushy lobbying jobs and corporate board sinecures are not to be sneezed at.

Lurch 20th September 2020 11:11 PM

A shocking realization. Just now, when looking at a news program which included a view of the White House with flag at half staff, it hit me that the disgust building within me over the past 4 years has now reached the point where I regard the WH as a loathsome cesspool inhabited by vile creatures. A visceral revulsion is invoked at the sight of it. I think the fetid stench issuing therefrom surpasses that from even the Kremlin. Not least because the joint is *supposed* to be the beacon of democracy, or at least an object of inspiration. But instead it has become a den of traitorous grifters of a decidedly anti-American flavour.

What a strange sensation, to perceive the US center of power as an inimical enemy.

Stacyhs 20th September 2020 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13230761)
A shocking realization. Just now, when looking at a news program which included a view of the White House with flag at half staff, it hit me that the disgust building within me over the past 4 years has now reached the point where I regard the WH as a loathsome cesspool inhabited by vile creatures. A visceral revulsion is invoked at the sight of it. I think the fetid stench issuing therefrom surpasses that from even the Kremlin. Not least because the joint is *supposed* to be the beacon of democracy, or at least an object of inspiration. But instead it has become a den of traitorous grifters of a decidedly anti-American flavour.

What a strange sensation, to perceive the US center of power as an inimical enemy.

Sad, isn't it? You're not the only one. As a US citizen, I also view the WH with revulsion when I consider the current resident.

Andy_Ross 21st September 2020 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13230761)
A shocking realization. Just now, when looking at a news program which included a view of the White House with flag at half staff, it hit me that the disgust building within me over the past 4 years has now reached the point where I regard the WH as a loathsome cesspool inhabited by vile creatures. A visceral revulsion is invoked at the sight of it. I think the fetid stench issuing therefrom surpasses that from even the Kremlin. Not least because the joint is *supposed* to be the beacon of democracy, or at least an object of inspiration. But instead it has become a den of traitorous grifters of a decidedly anti-American flavour.

What a strange sensation, to perceive the US centre of power as an inimical enemy.

I think the wall and barricades Trump has had built around the Whitehouse sum up his presidency.
I am surprised Biden's campaign hasn't made more of it.

SezMe 21st September 2020 03:58 AM

I have discovered a simple explanation that explains all of Trump's problems.

Armitage72 21st September 2020 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13230272)
No, I had it right; the victors. They want it taught from the perspective of those who won. That is the story that has been taught for the entire history of our country already. The whitewashed version is what Trump wants, he doesn't want the country's dirty linen aired. Truth be damned. He wants the Disney version of Pocahontas, not the Trail of Tears and the story of broken treaty after broken treaty.


I remember a comic in either Cracked Magazine or Mad Magazine many years ago in which a reporter was interviewing various people, including a couple who regularly protested the content of the history books used at their local school. Their complaints included "knocking Custer and building up them Injuns, or saying that we lost Vietnam. If they paid attention to Westmoreland's body count, they'd know that we won."

Andy_Ross 21st September 2020 06:33 AM

Trump fox interview
"I meet with foreign leaders of countries, & they have an expression, 'Sir, we are a forest nation.' But they say, 'we have trees that are far more explosive than the trees in California. We don't understand how a thing like that can happen. You have to manage your forest" -

Aridas 21st September 2020 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13230272)
No, I had it right; the victors. They want it taught from the perspective of those who won. That is the story that has been taught for the entire history of our country already. The whitewashed version is what Trump wants, he doesn't want the country's dirty linen aired. Truth be damned. He wants the Disney version of Pocahontas, not the Trail of Tears and the story of broken treaty after broken treaty.

Mmm. You have a point. Still, I think that it's distinctly incomplete. But then... I also think that it's a big mistake to focus only on the immediate there - especially when many of what seem to be the same forces have been more broadly pushing for educational indoctrination favoring them/their beliefs for quite a while now. To poke at just one of the memorable examples of other things pushed to demonstrate the point - creationism.

JoeMorgue 21st September 2020 06:35 AM

The circle can be squared easily.

Winner definition 1: I got what I wanted
Winner definition 2: The other side didn't get what they wanted.

The Don 21st September 2020 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13230137)
Trump's constant attacks against Biden as being tired and senile are going to hurt him bigly in the Debates: all that Biden has to do is being present without falling asleep, and he will have exceeded the expectations Trump has set for him.

Sadly no :(

Biden will have to perform flawlessly, any slight flub, hesitation or misspeak will be reported by FOXNews as evidence of senility - and this will then be reported by the mainstream media thus propagating the message (even if they don't mean to).

All President Trump has to do in order for the media to applaud his performance is not to visibly soil himself. Even a racist rant would result in him being applauded for "pivoting to presidential". :mad:

JoeMorgue 21st September 2020 07:29 AM

Yeah if Biden does back handsprings onto the stage and pulls out a chalkboard and solves the Unified Field Theory with one hand and writes out a cure for cancer with the other...

... while Trump's dead corpse does the debate "Weekend at Bernie's Style" the media will still report it as "close."

Safe-Keeper 21st September 2020 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13230137)
Trump's constant attacks against Biden as being tired and senile are going to hurt him bigly in the Debates: all that Biden has to do is being present without falling asleep, and he will have exceeded the expectations Trump has set for him.

Only to a certain degree, and to the right people. Those living in reality might be disconcerted, and then reassured when they actually see Biden speak.

Those living in a post-fact world see Trump (somehow) as a stable genius, and Biden as a drooling late-stage Alzheimer patient two steps away from the nursing home. You know, like how Clinton was way too old and frail during the 2016 campaign to lead the country.

Even if they do see him speak, they'll fixate on him starting unnaturally into the camera, or other things that confirm their pre-conceived impression that he's losing his grip.

Meanwhile Trump can admit a dementia test is hard for him, and completely forget the five words he was supposed to remember and replace them with words for things he sees right in front of him, and then proceed to struggle to repeat that easy string of words, and his disciples will remain either blissfully unaware, or somehow still convinced he is a stable genius, perfectly capable of running America. Or they'll just go "okay, that's disconcerting, but have you seen these cherry picked video clips of Biden? Would he do a better job?"

The rules go out the window when you live in a post-fact world :( .

The Don 21st September 2020 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13230968)
Trump fox interview
"I meet with foreign leaders of countries, & they have an expression, 'Sir, we are a forest nation.' But they say, 'we have trees that are far more explosive than the trees in California. We don't understand how a thing like that can happen. You have to manage your forest" -

Which leaders of which foreign countries ?

IMO like so much of what President Trump says, this exchange only happened in his imagination.

Horatius 21st September 2020 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 13231064)
Even if they do see him speak, they'll fixate on him starting unnaturally into the camera, or other things that confirm their pre-conceived impression that he's losing his grip.



Yep. These are the same people who can watch a video of AOC efficiently eviscerating a witness in a Congressional hearing, and then post a comment on how "stupid" she is.

thaiboxerken 21st September 2020 07:59 AM

Trump wants courts to declare him winner on election night.

Can we call it fascism now?

Mojo 21st September 2020 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13230861)


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The brain was larger than the size of his extended hand and was not decomposed, he said.

Clearly not Trump’s.

Giordano 21st September 2020 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13230974)
The circle can be squared easily.

Winner definition 1: I got what I wanted
Winner definition 2: The other side didn't get what they wanted.

I’ve seen a related phenomenon:

“Person X has benefit y. I don’t have benefit y. That is unfair. I could ask that I get benefit y too. Or that x and I split it. But I prefer you just take benefit y away from x. That would make me happiest.”

Beelzebuddy 21st September 2020 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 13231139)
I’ve seen a related phenomenon:

“Person X has benefit y. I don’t have benefit y. That is unfair. I could ask that I get benefit y too. Or that x and I split it. But I prefer you just take benefit y away from x. That would make me happiest.”

I've heard that sentiment phrased as "Conservatives would crap their pants if it meant a Liberal had to smell it."

Andy_Ross 21st September 2020 08:45 AM

Trump Tweets

“The Trump Century, How Our President Changed the Course of History Forever”. On sale tomorrow. A great book by an even greater author. Make Lou NUMBER ONE! Much better than the boring, no new info., Woodward book. Besides, Lou is much smarter and sharper than Bob, by a lot!

TragicMonkey 21st September 2020 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13230968)
Trump fox interview
"I meet with foreign leaders of countries, & they have an expression, 'Sir, we are a forest nation.' But they say, 'we have trees that are far more explosive than the trees in California. We don't understand how a thing like that can happen. You have to manage your forest" -

"A forest nation"? Endor? Lothlorien? Are there any countries in reality that would describe themselves in that way?

The Great Zaganza 21st September 2020 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13231164)
Trump Tweets

“The Trump Century, How Our President Changed the Course of History Forever”. On sale tomorrow. A great book by an even greater author. Make Lou NUMBER ONE! Much better than the boring, no new info., Woodward book. Besides, Lou is much smarter and sharper than Bob, by a lot!

I think not even Trump thinks he will be in office for the next 100 years.

Mojo 21st September 2020 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13231164)
Trump Tweets

“The Trump Century, How Our President Changed the Course of History Forever”. On sale tomorrow. A great book by an even greater author. Make Lou NUMBER ONE! Much better than the boring, no new info., Woodward book. Besides, Lou is much smarter and sharper than Bob, by a lot!


I don’t think Trump is qualified to say whether someone is smart.

Trebuchet 21st September 2020 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13231225)
I think not even Trump thinks he will be in office for the next 100 years.

His dynasty may very well be.

Segnosaur 21st September 2020 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13231225)
I think not even Trump thinks he will be in office for the next 100 years.

No but it may take that long to fix the damage he and the Republicans have done to the country.

Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk

AnonyMoose 21st September 2020 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13231259)
No but it may take that long to fix the damage he and the Republicans have done to the country.


Your false hope optimism is admirable.

The Great Zaganza 21st September 2020 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AnonyMoose (Post 13231266)
Your false hope optimism is admirable.

When it comes to dealing with the Trump Dump, I think we should take a page from the book of the man himself:

write the USA off as a lost cause, declare bankruptcy, ditch all creditors.
Then, start over with a new shiny name for the enterprise.

Mumbles 21st September 2020 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 13231139)
I’ve seen a related phenomenon:

“Person X has benefit y. I don’t have benefit y. That is unfair. I could ask that I get benefit y too. Or that x and I split it. But I prefer you just take benefit y away from x. That would make me happiest.”

Generally, it's more "I have benefit X and Y. Person 1 is like me, and has benefits A-Y. Person 2 is not like me, and wants us both to have benefits A-Y, statring with person 2 getting benefit Y. I would prefer that nobody get benefit Y, that would make me happiest."

JoeMorgue 21st September 2020 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 13231139)
I’ve seen a related phenomenon:

“Person X has benefit y. I don’t have benefit y. That is unfair. I could ask that I get benefit y too. Or that x and I split it. But I prefer you just take benefit y away from x. That would make me happiest.”

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Originally Posted by Mumbles (Post 13231443)
Generally, it's more "I have benefit X and Y. Person 1 is like me, and has benefits A-Y. Person 2 is not like me, and wants us both to have benefits A-Y, statring with person 2 getting benefit Y. I would prefer that nobody get benefit Y, that would make me happiest."

This also relates to my favorite new version of "fair;" this is when someone points out a system is unfair and the "solution" from the person who benefits from the unfair system is make another fair system but keep the unfair one and act like that makes everything fair.

"Bill I can't help but notice that you steal my paycheck every month."
"Ted as a compromise I'll only steal your paycheck every other month. That's fair."

Andy_Ross 21st September 2020 01:29 PM

Q: Who do you think poisoned Alexey Navalny in Russia?

TRUMP: Uhhhh ... we'll talk about that at another time.

Andy_Ross 21st September 2020 01:36 PM

Trump's makeup line is very visible today

Andy_Ross 21st September 2020 03:22 PM

Trump introduces Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine and the crowd boos him!
"He's opening up," Trump says, to try to placate the audience.

Trump says the election is a choice between him and Communism!

"I like Putin. He likes me."

"We have F-35s that you can't see," Trump says, seemingly still confused about the fact that stealth planes aren't literally invisible

"It's hydrosonic. I call it super-duper."

Andy_Ross 21st September 2020 03:36 PM

"I'm so angry at Republicans. I am so angry, they spied on my campaign, we caught 'em. And by the way, that's Biden, that's Obama, it's treason."

He's really going bonkers at todays rally!

Stacyhs 21st September 2020 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13231601)
Trump introduces Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine and the crowd boos him!
"He's opening up," Trump says, to try to placate the audience.

Trump says the election is a choice between him and Communism!

"I like Putin. He likes me."

"We have F-35s that you can't see," Trump says, seemingly still confused about the fact that stealth planes aren't literally invisible

"It's hydrosonic. I call it super-duper."

Does he think they have Cloaks of Invisibility?

Stacyhs 21st September 2020 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13231618)
"I'm so angry at Republicans. I am so angry, they spied on my campaign, we caught 'em. And by the way, that's Biden, that's Obama, it's treason."

He's really going bonkers at todays rally!

Did he say Republicans and not Democrats or is that your typo?

Andy_Ross 21st September 2020 03:40 PM

He said republicans. I can link the clip if I can find it again.

Andy_Ross 21st September 2020 03:44 PM

Trump tells his story about how he asked Blackstone chief Steve Schwarzman about Hunter Biden's dealings in China and Schwarzman agreed it was shady.

Schwarzman's spokesperson has said he has never spoken with Trump about either Joe or Hunter Biden.

Now he's telling his unending story about why steam power is better than electric power for big military ships.

Stacyhs 21st September 2020 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13231630)
Trump tells his story about how he asked Blackstone chief Steve Schwarzman about Hunter Biden's dealings in China and Schwarzman agreed it was shady.

Schwarzman's spokesperson has said he has never spoken with Trump about either Joe or Hunter Biden.

Now he's telling his unending story about why steam power is better than electric power for big military ships.

Wait. Let me process this....you mean Trump LIED?


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