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Stacyhs 19th November 2022 12:54 AM

Another case of how the new restrictive abortion laws in mainly GOP controlled states almost killed a pregnant woman. Amanda Eid and Josh Zurawski of Austin TX:
[quote]
Texas woman almost dies because she couldn’t get an abortion

Summation: Amanda and Josh had fertility treatments for a year and a half. Amanda became pregnant but at just 18 weeks into the pregnancy, her water (amniotic fluid) broke. Once this happens, it is 100% sure that the baby will die as it cannot survive without the amniotic fluid. But at that point there was still a hearbeat and they were told an abortion could not be done under TX law.

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Texas law allows for abortion if the mother “has a life-threatening physical condition aggravated, caused by, or arising from a pregnancy that places the female at risk of death or poses a serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function.”

But Texas lawmakers haven’t spelled out exactly what that means, and a doctor found to be in violation of the law can face loss of their medical license and a possible life sentence in prison.

“They’re extremely vague,” said Katie Keith, director of the Health Policy and Law Initiative at Georgetown University Law Center. “They don’t spell out exactly the situations when an abortion can be provided
At high risk for infection unless the baby aborted naturally, Amanda was told to watch for signs of infection which could only take hours or up to several weeks. Since it could happen within hours, they decided not to get an abortion at the nearest possible out of state place...an 8 hour drive away. "“Developing sepsis – which can kill quickly – in a car in the middle of the West Texas desert, or 30,000 feet above the ground, is a death sentence.”

Three days later, Amanda became ill and very quickly developed a fever of 102 by the time they arrived at the ER. When her temperature reached 103, the doctors felt they could now safely perform an abortion as her life was in imminent danger.

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But Amanda was so sick that antibiotics wouldn’t stop the bacterial infection raging through her body. A blood transfusion didn’t cure her, either.

About 12 hours after her pregnancy was terminated, doctors and nurses flooded her room.
“There’s a lot of commotion, and I said, ‘what’s going on?’ and they said, ‘we’re moving you to the ICU,’ and I said, ‘why?’ and they said, ‘you’re developing symptoms of sepsis,’ ” she said.
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Doctors inserted an intravenous line near her heart to deliver antibiotics and medication to stabilize her blood pressure. Finally, Amanda turned the corner and survived.
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But her medical ordeal isn’t over.

Amanda’s uterus suffered scarring from the infection, and she may not be able to have more children. She had a surgery recently to fix the scarring, but it’s unclear whether it will be successful.

This didn't have to happen. But it did because certain states have removed the right of a woman and her doctor alone to make medical decisions when it comes to pregnancy.
:mad::mad::mad:

Gulliver Foyle 19th November 2022 01:02 AM

[quote=Stacyhs;13948301]Another case of how the new restrictive abortion laws in mainly GOP controlled states almost killed a pregnant woman. Amanda Eid and Josh Zurawski of Austin TX:
Quote:

Texas woman almost dies because she couldn’t get an abortion

Summation: Amanda and Josh had fertility treatments for a year and a half. Amanda became pregnant but at just 18 weeks into the pregnancy, her water (amniotic fluid) broke. Once this happens, it is 100% sure that the baby will die as it cannot survive without the amniotic fluid. But at that point there was still a hearbeat and they were told an abortion could not be done under TX law.

At high risk for infection unless the baby aborted naturally, Amanda was told to watch for signs of infection which could only take hours or up to several weeks. Since it could happen within hours, they decided not to get an abortion at the nearest possible out of state place...an 8 hour drive away. "“Developing sepsis – which can kill quickly – in a car in the middle of the West Texas desert, or 30,000 feet above the ground, is a death sentence.”

Three days later, Amanda became ill and very quickly developed a fever of 102 by the time they arrived at the ER. When her temperature reached 103, the doctors felt they could now safely perform an abortion as her life was in imminent danger.






This didn't have to happen. But it did because certain states have removed the right of a woman and her doctor alone to make medical decisions when it comes to pregnancy.
:mad::mad::mad:
Savita Halappanavar. That's where the US is heading, a country where there's thousands of such deaths a year all because a bunch of white men want to return woment to servitude

cosmicaug 22nd November 2022 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle (Post 13948302)
Savita Halappanavar. That's where the US is heading, a country where there's thousands of such deaths a year all because a bunch of white men want to return woment to servitude

But it will all be worth it to pwn teh libs (some, on this very thread, would suggest).

Aridas 22nd November 2022 03:50 PM

Slight aside on the digital privacy front.

Facebook and Anti-Abortion Clinics Are Collecting Highly Sensitive Info on Would-Be Patients

The social media giant gathers data from crisis pregnancy centers through a tracking tool that works whether or not a person is logged in to their Facebook account

smartcooky 22nd November 2022 07:42 PM

Well gosh! Colour me surprised!

Of course, its perfectly safe to communicate with abortion clinics without bothering with pesky things like online anonymity and security precautions.... just ask Recovering Yuppy

Aridas 3rd December 2022 02:21 PM

Looks like there's a bit of fighting back successfully going on.

Judge blocks Indiana abortion ban on religious freedom grounds

Stacyhs 4th December 2022 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13958806)
Looks like there's a bit of fighting back successfully going on.

Judge blocks Indiana abortion ban on religious freedom grounds


good

cosmicaug 9th December 2022 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13958806)
Looks like there's a bit of fighting back successfully going on.

Judge blocks Indiana abortion ban on religious freedom grounds

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(Reuters) – A second Indiana judge on Friday blocked the state from enforcing its law banning most abortions after Jewish, Muslim and other non-Christian women challenged it in a lawsuit.
What about Christian women challenging that law joining in that lawsuit?

It's not like all Christians believe the same things (not just on the grounds of there being as many Christianities as there are Christians; but also on the basis of different Christian sects having very different principles —I mean, come on, are you going to tell me that the Hillsborough Baptists are the same as the United Church of Christ?). Having the ones who believe that "human life begins at conception" be considered as representative and excluding those who do not (probably the majority) seems perverse.

What would be the reasoning to suppose that those who believe this are more representative of Christians than those Christians who do not? Are Christians so gaslit by their fundamentalist wing as to believe that it would not be proper to be heard on this or is this just a disappointing oversight by on the part of the ACLU? I imagine it is the latter. If they had sought out such plaintiffs they would have found them in droves.

Atheist here so I don't really have a dog in this race. It just seems, to me, like a wrong framing to exclude Christians who do not believe as the fundies do.

smartcooky 25th January 2023 02:48 AM

Those who want to criticize my nurse friend in Virginia for her advice to abortion seekers on protecting their online anonymity might need to rethink their positions.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/re...cies-rcna67251
Last week, ProPublica released an investigation showing several online pharmacies use tracking technology to collect data on users’ web behaviors, and then give that data to third parties like Google to be used for targeted ads … or worse.
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Originally Posted by ProPublica
Those details include the web addresses the users visited, what they clicked on, the search terms they used to find a website, the previous site they visited, their general location and information about the devices they used, such as whether they were on a computer or phone. This information helps websites function and helps tech companies personalize ads.

So, theoretically, abortion-seekers in a state with oppressive anti-abortion laws could visit these sites in search of refuge, the sites could relay their information to a third party, and law enforcement officials could subpoena that third party for all sorts of data to be used in a criminal prosecution.*And let’s be clear: Several Republicans nationwide have shown an eagerness to punish people who seek abortions.

Sources

ProPublica Investigation Report: https://www.propublica.org/article/w...ta-with-google

Punishment for seeking abortion: https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/20/polit...nvs/index.html

cosmicaug 4th March 2023 11:44 AM

A personhood bill.

https://www.wbtw.com/news/politics/south-carolina-bill-could-make-death-penalty-possible-punishment-for-abortion/

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MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. (WBTW) — A bill currently in the statehouse could make the death penalty a possible punishment for women in South Carolina who undergo an abortion.

If passed, the bill would make getting an abortion equivalent to committing a homicide.

House Bill 3549, also known as the South Carolina Prenatal Equal Protection Act of 2023, was introduced to the statehouse last week by Rep. Rob Harris (R-Spartanburg County). It was prefiled in December and sits in the Judiciary Committee.

[...]


Harris said the goal of the bill is to protect all life, and said that an abortion would warrant the same punishment as murder.

“We have due process laws, as long as they’re followed,” Harris said. “I’m not inventing any new processes. The constitution of both states require due process and equal protection. So if you’re accused of stealing a candy bar, if you’re accused of murdering somebody, it would go through the same process.”

Harris said a woman could testify and there would be an exception if the abortion was due to pressure or the decision of someone else.

Stacyhs 4th March 2023 02:48 PM

Nucking futz.

Upchurch 4th March 2023 05:31 PM

Welcome to the theocracy.

smartcooky 4th March 2023 10:29 PM


Remember all those members who said this would never happen - that the Repugnicans would never criminalize women who got an abortion? Anyone notice how conspicuous those members now are by their absence from the debate.

The ramifications of this disgusting piece of legislation are far-reaching. If a woman getting an abortion can be charged with murder, then anyone helping her could be charged with accessory to murder before the fact. While this is only happening (so far) in SC, I wonder how my nurse friend in VA is feeling about this right now.

bruto 4th March 2023 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 14022123)
Remember all those members who said this would never happen - that the Repugnicans would never criminalize women who got an abortion? Anyone notice how conspicuous those members now are by their absence from the debate.

The ramifications of this disgusting piece of legislation are far-reaching. If a woman getting an abortion can be charged with murder, then anyone helping her could be charged with accessory to murder before the fact. While this is only happening (so far) in SC, I wonder how my nurse friend in VA is feeling about this right now.

And of course, any woman who is suspected of it, such as someone who miscarries, or even who is wrongly suspected of pregnancy, can be arrested, charged tried, with the usual impact on resources, employment, and so forth. Note that the promoters of the law are from the start presuming that innocent women will be tried and required to prove a medical need.

Stacyhs 5th March 2023 03:00 AM

About 20% of pregnancies end in a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage. The Guardians of Women's Morality Police will be busy confirming they weren't murdered by their mothers.
Maybe they'll be sent to Iran for training.

bruto 5th March 2023 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 14022175)
About 20% of pregnancies end in a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage. The Guardians of Women's Morality Police will be busy confirming they weren't murdered by their mothers.
Maybe they'll be sent to Iran for training.

Hey what are you, one of those pinko commie enemies of due process? All they have to do is wait in jail or get bailed while they await a trial in which they can summon witnesses to try to convince a jury filtered by the prosecution's objections to believe them. And, you know, even people on death row sometimes get their sentences commuted to life. And hey, if they are bankrupted, or lose their jobs, or are deported, tough luck, sucks to be you and all.

Stacyhs 5th March 2023 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 14022408)
Hey what are you, one of those pinko commie enemies of due process? All they have to do is wait in jail or get bailed while they await a trial in which they can summon witnesses to try to convince a jury filtered by the prosecution's objections to believe them. And, you know, even people on death row sometimes get their sentences commuted to life. And hey, if they are bankrupted, or lose their jobs, or are deported, tough luck, sucks to be you and all.

So true. Besides, if they had a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage they must have done something wrong for that to happen in the first place, right?

(/sarcasm for those who might miss it)

Aridas 5th March 2023 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 14022539)
So true. Besides, if they had a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage they must have done something wrong for that to happen in the first place, right?

(/sarcasm for those who might miss it)

Clearly, they must have. They were born female, and we alllllllll know that being born female must be a karmic punishment, inferior sinful beings that they are. :boxedin:

Stacyhs 5th March 2023 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 14022556)
Clearly, they must have. They were born female, and we alllllllll know that being born female must be a karmic punishment, inferior sinful beings that they are. :boxedin:

Sadly, that is an opinion held by many men and women.

cosmicaug 8th March 2023 09:58 PM

And now, for something not completely different from Floriduh!


https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/florida-republicans-file-extreme-6-week-abortion-ban-proposal-33707285

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On the first day of Florida's legislative session, state Republicans have filed a bill banning abortion after six weeks that is likely to become law.

The bills (SB 300 and HB 7), filed Tuesday by Sen. Erin Grall, R-Vero Beach, and Rep. Jenna Persons-Mulicka, R-Fort Myers, would further restrict the state's current 15-week ban on abortions, which was passed less than eight months ago.

The new ban would make abortion illegal after six weeks of pregnancy, with exceptions for rape and incest — but only up until 15 weeks.

For many people who menstruate, six weeks of pregnancy may look like a period that's only a week or two late.

A late period is not considered a missed period until after six weeks without bleeding, according to Healthline. That would be too late for an abortion under this proposed law.

The bills were filed just minutes before Gov. DeSantis delivered his annual state of the state address.

Stacyhs 9th March 2023 12:16 AM

Women with irregular periods are at even higher risk for not knowing they are pregnant because of one missed period. It's also not at all uncommon for women to have some spotting during early pregnancy that can be mistaken for a light period.

The Great Zaganza 9th March 2023 12:22 AM

We don't need to quibble about this: Politicians telling women how to have a pregnancy is the antithesis of personal freedom and self determination.
It's proof that Republicans consider women to be second class citizens at best, but more probably not really full humans.

Stacyhs 9th March 2023 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 14025193)
We don't need to quibble about this: Politicians telling women how to have a pregnancy is the antithesis of personal freedom and self determination.
It's proof that Republicans consider women to be second class citizens at best, but more probably not really full humans.

Nah, they think women are full humans, just inferior to men intellectually and physically whose primary purpose in life is having children and cooking dinner.

Aridas 9th March 2023 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 14025197)
Nah, they think women are full humans, just inferior to men intellectually and physically whose primary purpose in life is having children and cooking dinner.

Rather than invoking "human," "property" may well be the more relevant concept.

KDLarsen 9th March 2023 02:34 AM

Senator Grall is 45 and representative Persons is 40. I am under no illusion that either of them will have any problem nor hesitancy in obtaining an abortion should they inadvertently become pregnant. After all, it's ok when you're republican.

The Great Zaganza 9th March 2023 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 14025197)
Nah, they think women are full humans, just inferior to men intellectually and physically whose primary purpose in life is having children and cooking dinner.

Well, they certainly don't think that Human Rights should apply to women, children or foreigners.

cosmicaug 15th March 2023 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 14025197)
Nah, they think women are full humans, just inferior to men intellectually and physically whose primary purpose in life is having children and cooking dinner.

Sandwiches are not going to make themselves!

catsmate 16th March 2023 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 14025197)
Nah, they think women are full humans, just inferior to men intellectually and physically whose primary purpose in life is having children and cooking dinner.

Having seen the results of letting T (SO#1) operate the cooker that's a terrifying idea.

The Don 16th March 2023 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmicaug (Post 14029698)
Sandwiches are not going to make themselves!

Sandwiches for dinner ?

Someone is due a whupping ! :rolleyes:

catsmate 16th March 2023 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 14030160)
Sandwiches for dinner ?

Someone is due a whupping ! :rolleyes:

That reminds me of the classic "What did your last slave die of?" question, to which T's favourite answer is "Being flogged to death for indolence and insolence".
:D

Stacyhs 16th March 2023 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 14030149)
Having seen the results of letting T (SO#1) operate the cooker that's a terrifying idea.

You can only blame yourself for not training him better. :p

cosmicaug 17th March 2023 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 14030149)
Having seen the results of letting T (SO#1) operate the cooker that's a terrifying idea.

Sure, but how else would you have found out about the explosive decompression method for making mashed potatoes?

Darat 17th March 2023 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 14025197)
Nah, they think women are full humans, just inferior to men intellectually and physically whose primary purpose in life is having children and cooking dinner.

This was meant to be a parody of old fashioned views about women and the style of informational films. Sadly I think it is probably going to be part of the curriculum in quite a few schools...

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I AGREE


And the new sex education curriculum

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Stacyhs 17th March 2023 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 14031124)
This was meant to be a parody of old fashioned views about women and the style of informational films. Sadly I think it is probably going to be part of the curriculum in quite a few schools...

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE


And the new sex education curriculum

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE

LOL! I've actually seen the first one before but I watched it again. It reminds me of the teachings of the FLDS Mormons whose stock phrase reminder to women is "stay sweet" which means "remain in control of your emotions at all times. Warren Jeffs and the men of the FLDS expected women to act in a certain way, essentially docile, obedient and ready to serve the prophet in whatever way he saw fit."

The second one had me picturing former VP and "Mother" Pence.

cosmicaug 18th March 2023 10:41 AM

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/17/1164112268/abortion-pill-drug-hearing-amarillo-texas-federal-judge-kacsmaryk

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Court officials in Amarillo, Texas, have released the transcript from this week's closely watched hearing in a federal lawsuit that could curb access nationwide to a drug that's used in nearly all medication abortions in the U.S.

[...]

catsmate 19th March 2023 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 14030442)
You can only blame yourself for not training him better. :p

:rolleyes:
Her..... I'm the token male, and I do most of the cooking.

catsmate 19th March 2023 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmicaug (Post 14031120)
Sure, but how else would you have found out about the explosive decompression method for making mashed potatoes?

I remember discovering the 'rubber' seal around the oven was flammable thanks to her.

catsmate 19th March 2023 04:26 AM

Was the danger of forcing women to carry a pregnancy to term factored in?

Stacyhs 19th March 2023 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 14032035)
:rolleyes:
Her..... I'm the token male, and I do most of the cooking.

In that case, she has trained you well.:p

catsmate 19th March 2023 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 14032205)
In that case, she has trained you well.:p

True enough.


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