That was a rhetorical question, I've used the same on Gaetan's thread.

[sarcasm]
Anything that isn't forbidden is mandatory. It's obviously the next step.
[/sarcasm]

That is actually inline with modern day right-wing American thinking: Everything I like should be mandatory, and everything I dislike should be illegal.

The original quote from "The Sword in the Stone" is "everything not forbidden is compulsory"; I just got the wording a little wrong. When used in physics, it's called the "totalitarian principle", but it works socially too.

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Somehow, I'm not surprised that Chris disappeared when confronted with facts.

I don't think you can argue that Obama's mom was poor. After all, in 1961 she was able to afford a flight from Hawaii to Kenya in order to give birth. :D

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rw4hhu0khx...on02.gif?raw=1

We're not that far apart on the view of poverty induced hardships in the World. I'm with you. If we can figure out how to rid the World of poverty, we'll all live in a better place.

But we differ in opinion about ways people should improve their current economic situations. Your friend obviously made what she thought was the best choice for her at the time. I would argue she made the easy choice that allowed her to dodge all responsibility for her actions. She was able to walk away from an irresponsible act of sexuality and I view that as cowardly and evil, not brave or smart.

Morality is a choice, not always the easy choice, but nevertheless up to the individual. Whether your friend views her choice as a mistake or not is up to her. She's the one that lives with that choice. My view is only that her moral character is questionable.

I enjoy facts. I only pop in the forum from time to time though. It's not as if my addition of a few posts is going to change anyone's mind on issues like abortion. Just a brief note from the lurkers and proud Trump voters like myself.

No claims were made as such. This was my reply to another member's post about Hitler's Eugenics laws. You'll likely have to read their post to get the gist of that conversation.

I would say she was very responsible. BTW, she was raped. But even if she wasn't, she would have been responsible. You want to punish the woman as well as unwanted children. A life of poverty for her and the child as opposed to a fulfilling life of saving children from dying with cancer.

Great, than you're pro-choice. We both agree. Leave it up to the individual.

Her moral character is questionable? That she had sex? That she decided she and society would be better off if she finished college and attended medical school? As opposed to being a single mother and a college drop out.

You also never answered my questions. Do you support Welfare, AFDC, Universal Health Care? Does quality of life matter?

:rolleyes:

How can society even work if we don't punish all the sluts, amirite?

I love how all the other conservatives hide when one of the Alpha Conservatives takes over the discussion and says what they dancing around.

Cowards.

Wasn't aware of the numbers, and didn't have time to go looking, hence the "allegedly", especially given the anti-abortionista's constant lying. So thanks for clarifying.

Wow.

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you."-Matthew 7:1-3 King James Bible

“When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.” – Earl Nightingale

“The self-righteous scream judgments against others to hide the noise of skeletons dancing in their own closets.”
― John Mark Green

“Your judgments about another person say more about your own character than the character of the person you are pointing a finger at."- Alaric Hutchinson

“Judging others is easy because it distracts us from the responsibility of judging ourselves.”
― Charles F. Glassman

“Clean your home first before complaining about others.”
― Debasish Mridha

You just contradicted your first statement with your last.

You made no direct claims of the left and racial purity laws, but you did say that minorities, and especially Black Americans are being targeted for getting abortions which is another way to get racial purity by reducing/eliminating the black population. A distinction without a difference.

:id:

When I was a kid I liked to throw bottles and cans in the swamp and toss rocks at them until they sank. I can truly say I enjoyed it. I suspect some people's enjoyment of facts is similarly accomplished.

”Proud 30,000+-lies-while-in-office supporter.”

Chris said he merely enjoys facts. They're sort of a change of pace from what he's use to.

Its probably "alternative facts" that he enjoys.

Proud supporter of numerous Big Lies, corruption, assorted criminal behavior, and active efforts to hurt and break the USA.

Taking refuge in the motte, I suppose.

It is very telling for me that "the life of the unborn" wasn't so much an issue until controlling women became less popular an ideology.

I would add that it's also telling that much of that current political push along those lines was artificially created in backlash to desegregation and the threatening of tax exemptions for refusals to comply with desegregation.

That's just another one of those things that makes that forced birther pretense of caring about black abortion rates all the more obviously gaslighting, either way. It was pretty literally an opportunistic jump from overt suppression of blacks to more subtle suppression of blacks when the overt suppression was becoming less socially acceptable and was starting to threaten the pocketbooks of the powerful.



Just because, though, this quote seems all too timeless -

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
― John Kenneth Galbraith

Excellent summation of today's general conservative mindset.

This is spot on. It's not a coincidence that Ayn Rand is the conservatives favorite author.

You know it is possible to embrace morality without embracing a doctrine that shares many of the same principles. Your attempt at "Christian shaming", won't have the desired affect in this case.

I suggest that Minorites are being targeted as many of these groups are residents of high population centers where abortion is pushed as being a "Constitutional Right". And that's clearly false.

What's clear is that those that push for abortion rights are the same people that push the agenda of Climate Change (the latest popular name for it now). If you think population control and reduction is not part of the Climate Change agenda, you're either being intentionally naive or dishonest.

Yet you keep ignoring that in countries where abortion is legal there is no genocide happening on poor or colored people.

In fact, abortion there is not all that high, but that might have to do with actual sexual education, realistic social security and access to birth control.

That's a pretty extreme attempt to spin and stretch things. With that said, it really just doesn't work on reasonable inspection, even with bonus points for invoking "Constitutional Rights" as the flimsy, deeply misguided diversion that it is here.

Fair enough, the people who seek actually good governance based on the totality of current evidence try to do so consistently, after all.

Again, trying to shoehorn this in requires pretty extreme spin and stretch. It further requires utterly ignoring the driving forces as well as the actual means and methods in play. Likely, that's connected to the very out of context cherry picking spread by those motivated by financial and emotional gain. If you think that this attempt at an argument is somehow valid, you're either being willfully blind or dishonest.

Spin? You would honestly attempt to argue that abortion rights are not argued for most often in large metropolitan areas of the US containing the highest numbers of Minority groups is not a fact? Right.
And like it or not the Supreme Court verified that abortion is not a Constitutional Right.

I agree, those that view Climate Change as an emergency also see population control as being one of if not the most concerning related issue.


Again, you're trying to move away from undisputable facts. It's not a stretch of any sort to relate the Climate Change agenda with population control. In fact the two go hand in hand, though often unmentioned in public spaces for obvious reasons. Like it or not abortion serves and is directly related to the Climate Change agenda.

Abortion rights are being argued for EVERYWHERE, it's not a city thing. Had my mother been forced to die with her first pregnancy instead of terminating it, I and my sister would not exist.

Your contention ends up as "This argument is made most often in the areas where the overwhelming majority of discussions happen." No duh. Nothing nefarious about that.

Going a little further, there's a bunch of real factors in play, with none of the major ones being anything close to what you're trying to argue. So yeah, spin. Extreme spin.

:rolleyes:

While it's possible to go further on that topic, the fact remains that you only invoked that as a strawman here. Something that is at least slightly defensible to divert attention away from how utterly indefensible everything else you push actually is.

:rolleyes:

You got nothing again, eh?


Only in forced CT logic. I'll grant that it's not hard to link them, if you start with the goal of linking them. I'm sure it makes perfect sense to those who would prefer to ignore all the mundane factors and facts in play in favor of giant conspiracies.

"Christian shaming"? Wow. You really had to contort yourself for that spin! One out of six quotes is related to religion and you cherry pick the one that you mistakenly think gives you a moral one up. If I were "Christian shaming" I could have quoted a lot more relevant scripture in addition to that one.


You can 'suggest' all you want but that doesn't make it true. Your argument isn't even logical. How does advocating for EVERY WOMAN to have autonomy over her own body regardless of where she lives 'target minorities'?

As far as it being a "Constitutional Right", the Supreme Court in 1973 said it was and remained so for 50 years until an extreme right-wing controlled SC reversed it with three dissenting Justices. Your claim that "that's clearly false" is undermined, like most of your claims, by facts.


Another illogical argument rooted in science denial and a conspiracy mindset.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...50ae4448ac.png

You realize all this BS about abortion "constitutional rights" only applies in 'Murica, right? Your country (or at least, among most of the back-country peckerwoods who live in redneck states) is an outlier in the civilized world, aligning on the issue of abortion with what your Dear Leader calls "****-hole countries".

Over here in the civilized world, women have equal rights with men, and most importantly, they have the absolute right to bodily autonomy... that is a human right

I’ve said it before.
If you do not want a woman to have an abortion I have a simple, two-step, fail safe plan.

1. Be a woman
2. Do not have an abortion

Easy

Also, if you want a woman who isn’t you to not have an abortion, the advice is only one step.

1. Mind your own damn business

There are other options.

2) Be a true pro-lifer and invest your efforts into making the world a better place in which to be a child.

THIS, OF COURSE, DOESN'T NEGATE RULE 1.