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Stacyhs 16th October 2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13259742)
Presumably any change he would make to their image would be as a result of a perceived connection to Joe Biden? That feels like almost the definition of conflict of interest. In any case, if these emails pan out, we have Hunter introducing people from Burisma to Joe... so the suggestion is that they were getting more for their money than just reflected glory.

AIUI, there is no allegation of "people" being introduced. There is talk of one possible meeting in the future with Biden. A meeting which Biden's people say did not take place.

Stacyhs 16th October 2020 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Disbelief (Post 13259370)
Yep, we can easily see how Trumplethinskins will react (Total Devotion Syndrome).

Love it!

I wonder what the Trump cultists will do when Trump goes down in defeat after the election. I suppose go into defense mode when the state criminal charges start coming in. We all know Trump will either pardon himself or have Pres. Pence pardon him when Trump resigns at the last minute if all else fails.

Babbylonian 16th October 2020 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13259950)
If they have been fabricated, that's good. The Biden campaign can safely state that unequivocally. The denials I've seen up until now have been non-denial denials, but maybe I've missed them actually claiming the emails are fake?

That they've been fabricated is obvious to anyone who can think. Officially declaring them such requires access to the liars who are releasing this garbage. That's why those with standing are simply waving the nonsense away without commenting substantively. Not only would commenting substantively lend credence to total lies but it would provide another angle of attack for the lying shills who keep wanting to promote the lies: "How can they say that the evidence has been fabricated if they haven't examined it?"

Attempting to converse in any sensible fashion with people intent on lying and fabricating evidence is a no-win scenario, especially if all the liars have to do is keep the ball in the air for a few weeks.

Fortunately, they have people like you to play make believe on the Internet and spread the lies around. Since Twitter won't ban every single scumsucker who promotes this BS (such as the President), the lies will spread no matter how obviously false they are.

xjx388 16th October 2020 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13259993)
...obvious to anyone who can think.

Here's the problem. ;)

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I don't know that the fact they are fabricated is obvious, but the fact that they are completely unverified and unevidenced certainly is.

That won't matter to people who consider the NYPost a reliable source. That won't matter to the average person who doesn't dig beyond the headlines. That won't matter to Trump supporters who simply aren't going to vet the info themselves.

There are elements of the free press that are actively spreading misinformation without any journalistic integrity. The problem is how to convince our nation with it's sizable share of people who buy into conspiracy theories and love throwing mud around, true or not, that those sources are worthless. This distrust of the media has been successfully sown by sycophantic spreaders of pseudo-conservative slime (like Rush Limbaugh) since they started streaming their silliness over the airwaves decades ago. It's an engrained mindset of too much of America at this point.

dudalb 16th October 2020 03:14 PM

I always thought that even if it turned out to be true, given what has come out about the Trump admiistration it would have been a wash....screaming "Your're Another!" has nevr worked all that well.

dudalb 16th October 2020 03:21 PM

And with it clear there is not going to be any breakthrough with a virus vaccine before the election, the cnances of an October Suprise is now very low. It would have to be something out of the blue.

Giordano 16th October 2020 03:40 PM

To my knowledge it is not illegal to hire someone because they are related to an influential person. They donít even need to have any other specific-related demonstrable skills. It is done in business and politics all the time. Typically the advantage is implied and diffuse. The idea that the hire will help the company achieve better access to the influential person is implied but is not usually explicitly spoken of. It need not be. The company just happens to value this person. Prove they donít! Hunter may not be the tip-top hire but to imply he has zero appropriate skills is just wrong.

As far as I know neither is it illegal to say, ďHey, would you like to meet my Dad?Ē The so called smoking gun, even if an accurate depiction of the email (and there are huge holes in the story) is meaningless. Even stupid. So what if there was an invitation to meet his dad? One would have to show a direct reciprocity, a specific deal in exchange for Hunterís hire. An important client meeting a partnerís family happens all the time in business.

I Am The Scum 16th October 2020 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13259742)
In any case, if these emails pan out, we have Hunter introducing people from Burisma to Joe... so the suggestion is that they were getting more for their money than just reflected glory.

I want to make sure I understand your position as clearly as possible. What follows is my attempt at stating what you believe is the most "severe" allegation one can infer from the story:

Hunter Biden introduced one of his fellow business executives to his father.

If I'm wrong, correct me. Does the bold section understate your case?

portlandatheist 16th October 2020 04:19 PM

OK, I'm convinced. I will not be voting for Hunter Biden.

Skeptic Ginger 16th October 2020 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13259957)
Are you including the quote from the second release of quotes from these emails:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...head-firm.html

Weirdly Googling that quote returns almost no hits. It's as if it's not being reported.

It looks like the emails are starting to edge closer to Joe Biden. Maybe this is as far as it goes, in which case he'll likely be OK.

Are you still trying to make this ridiculously poor attempt at producing a fake story real?

:rolleyes:

kookbreaker 16th October 2020 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13260102)
Are you still trying to make this ridiculously poor attempt at producing a fake story real?

:rolleyes:

Trumper
Desperation
Status

Skeptic Ginger 16th October 2020 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13259971)
Sure. Hillary's emails were supposedly hacked and released by the Russians and as far as I'm aware we never found out that they had been altered. Maybe the laptop was stolen and dropped off at the store by a Russian in a Biden mask? I don't know or care. The question is whether the emails are genuine. If they aren't it seems like it would be really easy for the Biden campaign to prove. Maybe they are waiting until the right moment to do that and are letting him go all in on this? It's possible. What ever happens the next few weeks are going to be entertaining.

Why should Biden disprove Giuliani's laughable attempt? It's laughable!

There is no evidence the emails are anything but a genuine fraud.

jerrywayne 16th October 2020 07:57 PM

The latest:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fb...?ocid=msedgntp

dudalb 16th October 2020 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jerrywayne (Post 13260245)

So the whole thing might have "Made In Moscow" stamped on it. Why am I not surprised?

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 08:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bXgULtz6cI

Posted Sept 30th, so this pre dates the NYPost

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260284)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bXgULtz6cI

Posted Sept 30th, so this pre dates the NYPost

Also, Bannon, Giuliani, the guy from the video, and virus conspiracy chick in the mirror. Bannon is behind Giuliani. So while you are screaming Russia, it's more than likely China. Although, I haven't seen anything to say the laptop wasn't Hunter's, or that it was a hack. If anyone has evidence of that, I'd like to see it. The Campaign/Biden haven't alleged that.


People here are stuck on Russia/Ukraine/Burisma, the incriminating stuff is the China allegations.

Also, FoxNews supposedly contacted someone in the email chain regarding Chinese business FWIW. They supposedly authenticated the email.

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13260264)
So the whole thing might have "Made In Moscow" stamped on it. Why am I not surprised?

Because you've been told that the sky is falling and there are Russians under your bed, and you believe it?

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 08:56 PM

Also, Peter Schweitzer has 26,000 emails given to him by Hunter Biden's business partner Bevan Cooney who is now in jail. So there's that.

Minoosh 16th October 2020 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13259971)
Sure. Hillary's emails were supposedly hacked and released by the Russians and as far as I'm aware we never found out that they had been altered. Maybe the laptop was stolen and dropped off at the store by a Russian in a Biden mask? I don't know or care. The question is whether the emails are genuine. If they aren't it seems like it would be really easy for the Biden campaign to prove. Maybe they are waiting until the right moment to do that and are letting him go all in on this? It's possible. What ever happens the next few weeks are going to be entertaining.

Sounds like Birtherism, Part 2.

Two questions:

What level of proof you would accept from the Biden campaign?

And why the campaign? This has nothing to do with the election.

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13260301)
Sounds like Birtherism, Part 2.

Two questions:

What level of proof you would accept from the Biden campaign?

And why the campaign? This has nothing to do with the election.


I'm not sure why you would say that, given the emails supposedly have Hunter saying "Pop" makes him give half the money to him in one, and 10 million in Chinese money is for "the big man" in another.

The Great Zaganza 16th October 2020 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260304)
I'm not sure why you would say that, given the emails supposedly have Hunter saying "Pop" makes him give half the money to him in one, and 10 million in Chinese money is for "the big man" in another.

citation?

Elagabalus 16th October 2020 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260295)
Also, Peter Schweitzer has 26,000 emails given to him by Hunter Biden's business partner Bevan Cooney who is now in jail. So there's that.

Uh-huh. Pull the other one, agent trollski.

Silly Green Monkey 16th October 2020 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260286)
Also, Bannon, Giuliani, the guy from the video, and virus conspiracy chick in the mirror. Bannon is behind Giuliani. So while you are screaming Russia, it's more than likely China. Although, I haven't seen anything to say the laptop wasn't Hunter's, or that it was a hack. If anyone has evidence of that, I'd like to see it. The Campaign/Biden haven't alleged that.


People here are stuck on Russia/Ukraine/Burisma, the incriminating stuff is the China allegations.

Also, FoxNews supposedly contacted someone in the email chain regarding Chinese business FWIW. They supposedly authenticated the email.

How'd the laptop get from the west coast to the east coast? That's over three thousand miles to find a Mac repair place.

Minoosh 16th October 2020 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260295)
Also, Peter Schweitzer has 26,000 emails given to him by Hunter Biden's business partner Bevan Cooney who is now in jail. So there's that.

Therefore ... what?

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13260306)
citation?

Take your pick.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...4dUDCA0&uact=5

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...4dUDCA0&uact=5

Elagabalus 16th October 2020 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260314)

Golly! Did you google those all yourself?!

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey (Post 13260310)
How'd the laptop get from the west coast to the east coast? That's over three thousand miles to find a Mac repair place.


The shop was in Delaware, gee I wonder why a Biden would ever want to TRAVEL to Delaware. I mean, they are so poor and never go anywhere.

Minoosh 16th October 2020 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13260312)
Therefore ... what?

Ninja'd, pretty much. It's pathetic that Barr hasn't been able to indict any of Trump's enemies. I mean, there are reams of evidence. Thousands and thousands of emails.

Or maybe Barr is in on it?

Minoosh 16th October 2020 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260304)
I'm not sure why you would say that, given the emails supposedly have Hunter saying "Pop" makes him give half the money to him in one, and 10 million in Chinese money is for "the big man" in another.

You're not sure why I would say what?

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13260312)
Therefore ... what?

How would I know? I don't have them. All I was doing is pointing it out while we were on the subject of Biden's emails. Not sure why he would turn them over to a guy like Schweitzer. But it's going to be pretty funny seeing the reaction to whatever he does with them.

Minoosh 16th October 2020 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260317)
The shop was in Delaware, gee I wonder why a Biden would ever want to TRAVEL to Delaware. I mean, they are so poor and never go anywhere.

In your opinion, why didn't the shop owner try to contact his customer?

The Great Zaganza 16th October 2020 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260314)

Why don't you give me an actual quote of an email that is supposed to say what you claim, plus a link to the source?
A google search result is not a citation.

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13260320)
You're not sure why I would say what?

"This has nothing to do with the election"

But now that I'm thinking of it, I really don't care lol, never mind.

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13260322)
In your opinion, why didn't the shop owner try to contact his customer?

Did he not? Citation?

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13260325)
Why don't you give me an actual quote of an email that is supposed to say what you claim, plus a link to the source?
A google search result is not a citation.

You can take your pick. There are plenty of articles to choose from.

"I'm not sure why you would say that, given the emails supposedly have Hunter saying "Pop" makes him give half the money to him in one, and 10 million in Chinese money is for "the big man" in another."

See that highlighted word? As far as I know, the actual emails haven't been released. Hence the use of the word SUPPOSEDLY. I never claimed anything as 100% "this is what it is." It's way too early for that. And I won't until I see the actual emails.

All I was doing is highlighting what the actual claims are. The people here aren't really interested in the actual claims though. I find the Chinese stuff more fascinating than the Ukraine stuff, and it hasn't even been mentioned here.

The Great Zaganza 16th October 2020 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260329)
You can take your pick. There are plenty of articles to choose from.

"I'm not sure why you would say that, given the emails supposedly have Hunter saying "Pop" makes him give half the money to him in one, and 10 million in Chinese money is for "the big man" in another."

See that highlighted word? As far as I know, that actual emails haven't been released. Hence the use of the word SUPPOSEDLY. I never claimed anything as 100% "this is what it is." It's way too early for that. And I won't until I see the actual emails.

All I was doing is highlighting what the actual claims are. The people here aren't really interested in the actual claims though. I find the Chinese stuff more fascinating that the Ukraine stuff, and it hasn't even been mentioned here.

Do you have an inkling how weak this is?

Minoosh 16th October 2020 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260327)
"This has nothing to do with the election"

But now that I'm thinking of it, I really don't care lol, never mind.

I'm curious, though. What is the link you are seeing to the Biden campaign?

Hlafordlaes 16th October 2020 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260328)
Did he not? Citation?

I'll give you a nice citation (not the one you were hoping for, though), as soon as the actual tape, not the InJustice Department redacted abstract, of the call with the president of Ukraine is released and transcribed. That's only one rope your Dear Leader can be strung up with; more to come as improperly classified records are released. Or we could debrief the silenced translators from Trump's several closed-door meetings with the nation's number one enemy. A veritable treasure trove that will be giving gifts for decades to come, and supplying many a budding historian with his/her Pulitzer material.

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13260335)
I'm curious, though. What is the link you are seeing to the Biden campaign?

Never made the claim any of this was linked to the Biden campaign.

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13260331)
Do you have an inkling how weak this is?

That the NYPost, Giuliani, and that crazy Chinese video that came out in Sept are making these claims without releasing the supposedly actual emails?

Or that I'm posting the actual claims being made?

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes (Post 13260336)
I'll give you a nice citation (not the one you were hoping for, though), as soon as the actual tape, not the InJustice Department redacted abstract, of the call with the president of Ukraine is released and transcribed. That's only one rope your Dear Leader can be strung up with; more to come as improperly classified records are released. Or we could debrief the silenced translators from Trump's several closed-door meetings with the nation's number one enemy. A veritable treasure trove that will be giving gifts for decades to come, and supplying many a budding historian with his/her Pulitzer material.

LOL:rolleyes:

Meanwhile, back at the ranch.............

Elagabalus 16th October 2020 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260339)
That the NYPost, Giuliani, and that crazy Chinese video that came out in Sept are making these claims without releasing the supposedly actual emails?

Or that I'm posting the actual claims being made?

:dl:

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Elagabalus (Post 13260344)
:dl:

:rolleyes:

People who laugh at nothing usually have mental issues.

Giordano 16th October 2020 11:25 PM

The Daily Mallís documentation of people having close encounters with reptilian Aliens are much better documented and confirmed. eg:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...occasions.html

at least specific individuals are named. With photos!

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 13260368)
The Daily Mallís documentation of people having close encounters with reptilian Aliens are much better documented and confirmed. eg:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...occasions.html

at least specific individuals are named. With photos!

Did they come back with an alien hard drive with pictures of the aliens smoking meth? It didn't say in your link.

timhau 16th October 2020 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260358)
:rolleyes:

People who laugh at nothing usually have mental issues.

I suppose it is an encouraging sign that you now recognize your posts as nothing.

TahiniBinShawarma 16th October 2020 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by timhau (Post 13260375)
I suppose it is an encouraging sign that you now recognize your posts as nothing.

Cute, but no. Posting the actual claims being made is certainly not nothing. If people can't tell the difference between saying something is fact, and something is a claim, they shouldn't be on this board. Some people here are proving that.

Minoosh 17th October 2020 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260337)
Never made the claim any of this was linked to the Biden campaign.

You expressed surprise that I would ask how it was connected to the Biden campaign. I asked why that surprised you - at which point you stated you had not made a claim, evading the question. I'm a little envious of people practiced in the art of innuendo. I can never get the hang of it.

In the thick of the alleged email exchanges with China Biden was an ex-veep and presumably retired. I'm not sure he had any influence to peddle.

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13260328)
Did he not? Citation?

Hard to tell; he refused to answer the question. Per delawareonline:

Meet the computer repairman at the center of New York Post's Hunter Biden laptop story
Quote:

When a customer doesn't return after 90 days, Mac Isaac says he typically will reach out to them by phone.

Asked if he called Hunter Biden, Mac Isaac said, "No comment."

“We have customers who abandon products all of the time," he said.
More evasion. I think he's a bit surprised that his story is being closely examined. Computer repair guy, big Trump fan, just happens to hit the motherlode which dovetails perfectly with his hero's own well-publicized smear campaign. Plus he has allegedly made *four* backups to the hard drive. I'd say that comes pretty close to tampering with evidence that is already hopelessly compromised from a chaotic chain-of-evidence scenario.

But one thing rang true: Once after a workout I hosed a MacBook when a single a drop of sweat landed on the trackpad. So, multiple dead laptops, I know how that is. Would diagnosing a shot track pad necessitate going through the hard-drive contents? I have no idea.

Stacyhs 17th October 2020 12:01 AM

So, let me get this straight.

HB is living in Calif. when he supposedly drops off this old computer in Delaware on the other side of the country.

TBS explains this by saying HB goes back to Delaware for some reason. Easily enough checked by flight records/credit card records/ witness accounts etc.

But then HB, for some unexplained reason, just leaves the computer at the store without ever picking it up. It was important enough to take to the store for repair, but not important enough to pick up. For reasons. Despite having damaging emails of his father who is running for President of the US and a sex/drug video of himself.

And if it is fabricated, we're supposed to believe it's China behind it, not Russia? When China has been quite clear they prefer Biden to win and Russia has been quite clear in both word and action that they prefer Trump to win. I don't think it would take Sherlock Holmes to figure this one out.

The Great Zaganza 17th October 2020 12:08 AM

Do we know anything about the computer repair shop?
From the report it sounds more like a place to fence stolen electronics.


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