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angrysoba 8th April 2022 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13778099)
Hmmm, I wonder, what are they really thinking?...

Could some interviewer please ask Matt Gaetz what the definition of groomer is.

The GOP have basically decided to make the word their campaign platform for the mid-terms.

James Lindsay's twitter feed uses the word non-stop now.

But from what I understand, this is essentially accusing people who either teach sex education or admit to their students they are LGBT+ that they are "grooming" them for their own sexual pleasure.

This sounds like complete slander to me, which is surely not protected by the first amendment.

Norman Alexander 8th April 2022 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13777345)
More nonsense from Marj

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Originally Posted by EmptyG
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene @RepMTG
Democrats are the party of killing babies, grooming and transitioning children, and pro-pedophile politics.


I think she may mean "propositioning". I doubt she would know how to use the original word as a verb, nor its meaning. See: "gazpacho police". Multi-syllable words are clearly not her strong point.

MRC_Hans 8th April 2022 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13778494)
I think she may mean "propositioning". I doubt she would know how to use the original word as a verb, nor its meaning. See: "gazpacho police". Multi-syllable words are clearly not her strong point.

Can she libel other people freely because she's a congress person?

Hans

jimbob 8th April 2022 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13778082)
Just the facts, Mr. Kimmel. Just the facts...

(I'm dating myself here, aren't I?)

Is that the ultimate goal of the more inbred parts of Tennessee?


ETA: context:

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13776846)
From the wonderful state that gave us the Scopes Monkey trials.


SuburbanTurkey 8th April 2022 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13778494)
I think she may mean "propositioning". I doubt she would know how to use the original word as a verb, nor its meaning. See: "gazpacho police". Multi-syllable words are clearly not her strong point.

No, I'm pretty sure she meant transitioning. Right wingers believe there's some vast conspiracy to manipulate children into being transgender.

Dr. Keith 8th April 2022 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey (Post 13778538)
No, I'm pretty sure she meant transitioning. Right wingers believe there's some vast conspiracy to manipulate children into being transgender.

Thinking back to my early teen years and the impact of an attractive woman wearing fitted clothes, I can’t imagine the effort that would have been required to convince me that I wasn’t a heterosexual male.

We’re republicans more on the fence during those years? Is being heterosexual really so fragile?

They seem to live in a world recreational abortionist and teens who are not at all interested in heterosexual sex. I’ve never been to that town, but I doubt it is in MAGA country.

johnny karate 8th April 2022 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13778555)
Thinking back to my early teen years and the impact of an attractive woman wearing fitted clothes, I can’t imagine the effort that would have been required to convince me that I wasn’t a heterosexual male.

We’re republicans more on the fence during those years? Is being heterosexual really so fragile?

They seem to live in a world recreational abortionist and teens who are not at all interested in heterosexual sex. I’ve never been to that town, but I doubt it is in MAGA country.

Well, when so many of your female peers in high school have been spoken for because they're dating middle-aged Republican politicians, you might need to explore other options.

The Don 8th April 2022 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13778555)
Thinking back to my early teen years and the impact of an attractive woman wearing fitted clothes, I can’t imagine the effort that would have been required to convince me that I wasn’t a heterosexual male.

Actually, if you were being groomed for transitioning, you could have been convinced that you were a homosexual female ;)

bruto 8th April 2022 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13778555)
Thinking back to my early teen years and the impact of an attractive woman wearing fitted clothes, I can’t imagine the effort that would have been required to convince me that I wasn’t a heterosexual male.

We’re republicans more on the fence during those years? Is being heterosexual really so fragile?

They seem to live in a world recreational abortionist and teens who are not at all interested in heterosexual sex. I’ve never been to that town, but I doubt it is in MAGA country.

This it seems to me is the big issue with all of this. I can also remember back to an age well before I was a teenager, and for all my liberal and relaxed attitude toward just about anything, I knew I was male, knew I liked it, and long before I knew what to do about it knew I was hetero even when I was young and so horny I'd have done just about anything with just about anybody. I've always been unconcerned about homosexuality, but I've also always known I'm not one, and it's hard to imagine what an even greater hardship it would be to feel stuck in the wrong gender.

I don't think anyone who is not either a lying political hypocrite or a person facing their own identity crisis would ever consider these characteristics so malleable.

Dr. Keith 8th April 2022 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13778569)
Actually, if you were being groomed for transitioning, you could have been convinced that you were a homosexual female ;)

Truth.

pgwenthold 8th April 2022 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13778455)
What about Goat Pants?

With these goat leggings, he doth consecrate!

jimbob 8th April 2022 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13778609)
This it seems to me is the big issue with all of this. I can also remember back to an age well before I was a teenager, and for all my liberal and relaxed attitude toward just about anything, I knew I was male, knew I liked it, and long before I knew what to do about it knew I was hetero even when I was young and so horny I'd have done just about anything with just about anybody. I've always been unconcerned about homosexuality, but I've also always known I'm not one, and it's hard to imagine what an even greater hardship it would be to feel stuck in the wrong gender.

I don't think anyone who is not either a lying political hypocrite or a person facing their own identity crisis would ever consider these characteristics so malleable.

Yup

Carrot Flower King 8th April 2022 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13776779)
Thanks.

Wait till the find out the gays drink beer. Think they will give that up, too? Or redefine Budweiser to not be a beer?

Budweiser is only a beer if it comes from Budejovice...

MRC_Hans 8th April 2022 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13776779)
Thanks.

Wait till the find out the gays drink beer. Think they will give that up, too? Or redefine Budweiser to not be a beer?

Redefine?

Hans

Dr. Keith 8th April 2022 11:00 AM

Thank you both for explaining the joke within the biting political commentary.

Stacyhs 8th April 2022 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13778609)
This it seems to me is the big issue with all of this. I can also remember back to an age well before I was a teenager, and for all my liberal and relaxed attitude toward just about anything, I knew I was male, knew I liked it, and long before I knew what to do about it knew I was hetero even when I was young and so horny I'd have done just about anything with just about anybody. I've always been unconcerned about homosexuality, but I've also always known I'm not one, and it's hard to imagine what an even greater hardship it would be to feel stuck in the wrong gender.

I don't think anyone who is not either a lying political hypocrite or a person facing their own identity crisis would ever consider these characteristics so malleable.

This belief that so many have that anyone can 'choose' their sexuality/ gender identify has always baffled me. As you say, you've always know you are a heterosexual male. I've always known I'm a heterosexual female. It's not something I ever had to think about any more than I had to think about not liking liver.

I suspect that accepting the idea that one cannot 'choose' their sexuality/gender identity scares a lot of people because then they'd have to admit that it cannot be controlled or 'fixed'. It removes any power/control they think have over it plus would remove the stigma that it's 'immoral' or a 'sin' because it's not a choice. Again, it boils down to fear that is a basic component of the conservative mindset.

newyorkguy 8th April 2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13778909)
This belief that so many have that anyone can 'choose' their sexuality/ gender identify has always baffled me...

A couple jobs ago I worked directly with a tech who was gay. We became pretty good friends. As she once said to me, "I didn't choose gay, gay chose me." As she also said, with all the hassles that come with being gay, who would choose it?

Reality has nothing to do with the blathering of Marjorie Taylor Greene and her cohorts. She's a demagogue. Below is a quote from an article in The Conversation, an academic website, written six years ago by Richard Ashby Wilson, a Professor of Anthropology and Law at the University of Connecticut.
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Demagogues do not reassure the electorate with a rational assessment of risk as mainstream politicians tend to do. Instead, they play up existing threats, embrace a narrative of victimhood and sow despair. Mocking, humiliating and denigrating scapegoats is their stock in trade. Demagogues often seek to instill fear by constantly telling their followers they are under mortal threat. link to The Conversation
Sound familiar?

Stacyhs 8th April 2022 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 13778942)
A couple jobs ago I worked directly with a tech who was gay. We became pretty good friends. As she once said to me, "I didn't choose gay, gay chose me." As she also said, with all the hassles that come with being gay, who would choose it?

Reality has nothing to do with the blathering of Marjorie Taylor Greene and her cohorts. She's a demagogue. Below is a quote from an article in The Conversation, an academic website, written six years ago by Richard Ashby Wilson, a Professor of Anthropology and Law at the University of Connecticut.


Sound familiar?

Exactly. Another example of a demagogue:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...08e3b457ce.jpg

marting 8th April 2022 02:50 PM

Actual quote from the TV series:

"All we want are the facts, ma'am"

Seems it permutated over the years in people's minds.

Carlotta 8th April 2022 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pgwenthold (Post 13778114)
The movie also had the line, "This is the pit we had to jump into to save the virgin who was being eaten by the giant snake!"

I don't think that was in the original series either

A great line from another Jack Webb series (Adam12, was, as well as I can remember, "a crooked cop puts a hat on all of us, and we have to swallow it".

Hercules Rockefeller 8th April 2022 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13777293)
Little US "gallon" or proper gallon?

US gallon.

Lurch 8th April 2022 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13778494)
I think she may mean "propositioning". I doubt she would know how to use the original word as a verb, nor its meaning. See: "gazpacho police". Multi-syllable words are clearly not her strong point.

I read her use of "transitioning" to refer to the process of undergoing the process of sex reassignment. Transitioning from male to female, and vice versa.

Ladewig 9th April 2022 02:52 PM

Jack Posobiek
“Groomers and communism go hand in hand everyone knows it”

His philosophy seems to be: Facts and logic are for losers. I’ll just say “everyone knows it” and my claim will be accepted as irrefutably true.

Thanks, Trump.

Stacyhs 9th April 2022 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13779710)
Jack Posobiek
“Groomers and communism go hand in hand everyone knows it”

His philosophy seems to be: Facts and logic are for losers. I’ll just say “everyone knows it” and my claim will be accepted as irrefutably true.

Thanks, Trump.

Who let Posobiek out of the mental institution?

bruto 9th April 2022 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13779783)
Who let Posobiek out of the mental institution?

His groomers, but they probably have a different word for it.

Norman Alexander 9th April 2022 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 13779710)
Jack Posobiek
Groomers and communism go hand in hand everyone knows it”

His philosophy seems to be: Facts and logic are for losers. I’ll just say “everyone knows it” and my claim will be accepted as irrefutably true.

Thanks, Trump.

Which is why Putin, who is an active lifelong communist, has actively tried to stamp out LGBTQI+ in Russia.

...wait a sec. That's the opposite of Posobiek's claim...

Stacyhs 9th April 2022 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13779817)
Which is why Putin, who is an active lifelong communist, has actively tried to stamp out LGBTQI+ in Russia.

...wait a sec. That's the opposite of Posobiek's claim...

I don't think cognitive dissonance exists in extremist minds. Likely because logic and rational thought elude them.

Athyrio 9th April 2022 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13778909)
This belief that so many have that anyone can 'choose' their sexuality/ gender identify has always baffled me. As you say, you've always know you are a heterosexual male. I've always known I'm a heterosexual female. It's not something I ever had to think about any more than I had to think about not liking liver.

I suspect that accepting the idea that one cannot 'choose' their sexuality/gender identity scares a lot of people because then they'd have to admit that it cannot be controlled or 'fixed'. It removes any power/control they think have over it plus would remove the stigma that it's 'immoral' or a 'sin' because it's not a choice. Again, it boils down to fear that is a basic component of the conservative mindset.



Vernon Jones, a Trump supported U.S. House candidate, did that very thing today.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump...72bfe93217/amp

Jones has been a political DA (not district attorney but the pejorative acronym) forever in Dekalb County where I lived and worked for over 30 years.

Jones was a Democrat forever until last year when he decided to jump on the Trump train and declared his candidacy for governor as a Republican but Trump nixed that by supporting Perdue instead so Jones dropped into the 10th congressional district race since Jody Hice, another Trump sycophant, is running for state office and letting the U.S. office go.

Jones, who is a black man, is now a brand new Republican, running against white opponents in a district that was last described as 65% white and 25% black.

And now he has pissed off the LGBTQ Community.

It will be interesting to see how Trump’s candidate fares in this climate.

Stacyhs 9th April 2022 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Athyrio (Post 13779859)
Vernon Jones, a Trump supported U.S. House candidate, did that very thing today.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump...72bfe93217/amp

Jones has been a political DA (not district attorney but the pejorative acronym) forever in Dekalb County where I lived and worked for over 30 years.

Jones was a Democrat forever until last year when he decided to jump on the Trump train and declared his candidacy for governor as a Republican but Trump nixed that by supporting Perdue instead so Jones dropped into the 10th congressional district race since Jody Hice, another Trump sycophant, is running for state office and letting the U.S. office go.

Jones, who is a black man, is now a brand new Republican, running against white opponents in a district that was last described as 65% white and 25% black.

And now he has pissed off the LGBTQ Community.

It will be interesting to see how Trump’s candidate fares in this climate.

From your link:

“Civil rights for Blacks, and gay rights for gays are two different things,” Jones declared to former Trump adviser Steve Bannon on his “War Room” podcast.

“I don’t know what you are unless you tell me what you are if you’re gay. When I walk into that room, you can tell that I’m Black. I’m Black from cradle to grave,” Jones said. “Let’s not get that confused.”

He added: “They can actually change. You know you can go from being straight to being gay to being transgender and all these other genders. When you’re Black, I don’t have a choice. ... When did gays come over here on [slave] ships?”

Jones sounds like an idiot.

Gord_in_Toronto 10th April 2022 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13779934)
From your link:

“Civil rights for Blacks, and gay rights for gays are two different things,” Jones declared to former Trump adviser Steve Bannon on his “War Room” podcast.

“I don’t know what you are unless you tell me what you are if you’re gay. When I walk into that room, you can tell that I’m Black. I’m Black from cradle to grave,” Jones said. “Let’s not get that confused.”

He added: “They can actually change. You know you can go from being straight to being gay to being transgender and all these other genders. When you’re Black, I don’t have a choice. ... When did gays come over here on [slave] ships?”

Jones sounds like an idiot.

I though Michael Jackson "proved" that not not be true? :confused:

pgwenthold 10th April 2022 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13779817)
Which is why Putin, who is an active lifelong communist, has actively tried to stamp out LGBTQI+ in Russia.

...wait a sec. That's the opposite of Posobiek's claim...

You know who weren't groomers?

Nazis, that's who. We should all learn something from them.

Stacyhs 10th April 2022 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto (Post 13780140)
I though Michael Jackson "proved" that not not be true? :confused:

Not just Michael. I taught his sister, Janet, when she was in 10th grade (14 yrs. old) and let's just say that she's had a lot of work done.

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Originally Posted by pgwenthold (Post 13780160)
You know who weren't groomers?

Nazis, that's who. We should all learn something from them.

Nazis, communists, socialists, fascists, Democrats....all the same thing to stupid right wingers.

azazal 10th April 2022 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13779934)
I don’t have a choice. ... When did gays come over here on [slave] ships?”

Jones sounds like an idiot.

I'm going to say on the first ship and on every ship that came over after until slave importing was outlawed.

Stacyhs 10th April 2022 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by azazal (Post 13780309)
I'm going to say on the first ship and on every ship that came over after until slave importing was outlawed.

Maybe they didn't look gay. :rolleyes:

Norman Alexander 11th April 2022 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13780289)
Nazis, communists, socialists, fascists, Democrats....all the same thing to stupid right wingers.

They clearly have no idea what these words mean. They are just a bunch of four-dollar swear words, as far as they are concerned. That's why when asked to explain the meanings and contradictions when they use them, they cannot see those contradictions at all. And they simply don't care. It's the use of the words as insults that fires their ego. This is where EmptyG sits. She is as dumb as a one of her own barbells.

As with all insults, they only work if the insultee takes offense. So the worst thing to do when they unload these labels at people is to react or argue or try to reason with them about the "true meanings of words". They want a reaction; they get one; job done. So entertaining any public response to EmptyG is playing into her game. Perhaps the best approach would be to turn her mic off but keep the video on CSPAN.

gnome 11th April 2022 05:41 AM

Trouble is that's been tried, "Do not feed the troll" has been Internet culture for a while.

As much as provoking their opponents feeds them, so does gathering like-minded people unchallenged. In some ways "provoking the libs" isn't the goal, it's the rallying flag and exhaustion technique.

Norman Alexander 11th April 2022 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gnome (Post 13780565)
Trouble is that's been tried, "Do not feed the troll" has been Internet culture for a while.

As much as provoking their opponents feeds them, so does gathering like-minded people unchallenged. In some ways "provoking the libs" isn't the goal, it's the rallying flag and exhaustion technique.

And the solution is simple: give them what they ask for - a closed off country full of people just like them. I've mentioned previously that giving them an uninhabited Aleutian island all their own would be fine. They can run their own government the way they like with their own laws. Guns and walls too if they like. Drop them off, isolate the island, and leave them to carry on.

ponderingturtle 11th April 2022 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13778494)
I think she may mean "propositioning". I doubt she would know how to use the original word as a verb, nor its meaning. See: "gazpacho police". Multi-syllable words are clearly not her strong point.

I think it was transitioning as in recognizing the gender of transgender children.

Armitage72 11th April 2022 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13778555)
Is being heterosexual really so fragile?


It's similar to how heterosexual marriage is so fragile that allowing same sex marriage would destroy the entire institution.



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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13778609)
I don't think anyone who is not either a lying political hypocrite or a person facing their own identity crisis would ever consider these characteristics so malleable.


L. Ron Hubbard's "Mission Earth" series included a businessman who had introduced the concept of "psychological birth control" in the companies he owned. It amounted to using torture and brainwashing to turn straight people gay. If conversion therapy can turn gay people straight (Narrator: "It can't."), then obviously there are techniques that can do the opposite.

ponderingturtle 11th April 2022 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13780747)
It's similar to how heterosexual marriage is so fragile that allowing same sex marriage would destroy the entire institution.






L. Ron Hubbard's "Mission Earth" series included a businessman who had introduced the concept of "psychological birth control" in the companies he owned. It amounted to using torture and brainwashing to turn straight people gay. If conversion therapy can turn gay people straight (Narrator: "It can't."), then obviously there are techniques that can do the opposite.

"Because a lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight, and when they come out, they're gay," he explained. "So, did something happen while they were in there? Ask yourself that question." Ben Carson M.D., Brain Surgeon.


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